There are many of us concerned about the dems pushing for all mail-in voting nationwide due to coronavirus. This piece doesn't do anything to assuage that concern.

Quote:Between 2012 and 2018, 28.3 million mail-in ballots remain unaccounted for, according to data from the federal Election Assistance Commission. The missing ballots amount to nearly one in five of all absentee ballots and ballots mailed to voters residing in states that do elections exclusively by mail.

States and local authorities simply have no idea what happened to these ballots since they were mailed – and the figure of 28 million missing ballots is likely even higher because some areas in the country, notably Chicago, did not respond to the federal agency’s survey questions. This figure does not include ballots that were spoiled, undeliverable, or came back for any reason.

Although there is no evidence that the millions of missing ballots were used fraudulently, the Public Interest Legal Foundation, which compiled the public data provided from the Election Assistance Commission, says that the sheer volume of them raises serious doubts about election security.

The left knows that this makes voter fraud and ballot harvesting much easier. They just pretend to deny this, knowing full well that they can't let this crisis go to waste and this covid-19 scare is their best chance to knock DT from office. Crash the economy AND set up voting fraud on a massive scale.

Read more here.

Lol yep.

If republicans allow nationwide mail in voting, they deserve the democratic supermajorities in every state that it will result in.

I highly doubt, no I’m certain, Mitch won’t allow legislation onto the Senate Floor promoting an increase in mail in balloting. That bill will be DOA to the Senate. Unless, of course, Nancy tries to slip it / hide it in another stimulus bill. Then there will be a fight that the Democrats can’t win.

(05-01-2020 06:29 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I highly doubt, no I’m certain, Mitch won’t allow legislation onto the Senate Floor promoting an increase in mail in balloting. That bill will be DOA to the Senate. Unless, of course, Nancy tries to slip it / hide it in another stimulus bill. Then there will be a fight that the Democrats can’t win.

He better not. Any Republican Senator that votes for such a bill will get primaried out.

(05-01-2020 07:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 06:29 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I highly doubt, no I’m certain, Mitch won’t allow legislation onto the Senate Floor promoting an increase in mail in balloting. That bill will be DOA to the Senate. Unless, of course, Nancy tries to slip it / hide it in another stimulus bill. Then there will be a fight that the Democrats can’t win.

He better not. Any Republican Senator that votes for such a bill will get primaried out.

By mail in ballots....

Mail-in?

They're pushing for online voting.

Unfortunately I think the Democrats will win the battle for 'voting accessibility', because that's how they brand it to Joe Blow.

(05-01-2020 08:18 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 07:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 06:29 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I highly doubt, no I’m certain, Mitch won’t allow legislation onto the Senate Floor promoting an increase in mail in balloting. That bill will be DOA to the Senate. Unless, of course, Nancy tries to slip it / hide it in another stimulus bill. Then there will be a fight that the Democrats can’t win.

He better not. Any Republican Senator that votes for such a bill will get primaried out.

By mail in ballots....

There’s little doubt that as the number of mail-in ballots increases, so does fraud. A 2012 report in The New York Times noted that voter fraud involving mail-in ballots “is vastly more prevalent than the in-person voting fraud that has attracted far more attention, election administrators say. In Florida, absentee-ballot scandals seem to arrive like clockwork around election time.” According to a Wall Street Journal report on voter exploitation in Hispanic communities in Texas, mail-in ballots have “spawned a mini-industry of consultants who get out the absentee vote, sometimes using questionable techniques.” Poor, elderly, and minority communities are most likely to be preyed upon by so-called ballot “brokers.”
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...43033.html

So do any of you want to get rid of absentee balloting then since it's so unreliable? May as well tell the military they can't vote because we think your ballot will go missing.

1.8 million people voted in Oregon in 2012 in the presidential election. 2 million voted in 2016. And even 1.86 million voted in 2018 in their gubernatorial election. Compare those numbers to say Oklahoma and Kentucky, the two states closest in population to Oregon and you'll see that they're very comparable (actually they're better than Oklahoma by quite a bit). I chose Oregon because the original link says 800,000 ballots went missing in that state in the 2012 and 2018 elections.

The argument that ballots are going missing isn't backed up by actual voting totals. Ballots aren't being returned by people who probably wouldn't have voted the traditional way, or perhaps a lot of the missing ballots are military ballots. That would be my guess.

(05-02-2020 04:19 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So do any of you want to get rid of absentee balloting then since it's so unreliable? May as well tell the military they can't vote because we think your ballot will go missing.

“get rid of” is taking it too far. But yes, it should be restricted IMHO to a few carefully defined categories of registered voters. I’m inclined to say that military-service is one of those categories, but I’m willing to listen to arguments pro-and-con.

One way or the other, we are going to have to face up to this.

I vote early when I take my 78 year old Mom to the polls. Her precinct is 90% Democrat. The poll workers are 100% crooked Democrats. They offer to fill out my Mom’s ballot for her and counsel her on who she should vote for. We have filed complaints with the election board but the practice continues.

To avoid the charade at that the polls, we make up a reason that we are traveling and will be out of town on Election Day, show multiple ID’s, sign an affidavit then get to vote early. The process to vote early here in Louisville is not easy but at least you don’t get the voting place shakedown by the Democrats.

My entire family are permanent absentee voters. I vote in almost every election (I think I missed one local election with only two items on the ballot about 4 or 5 years ago). My son votes 50% of the time. My wife votes every 7th election or so after much prodding from me and her son.

I suspect most of the missing ballots are like my wife's tossed in the recycling bin. That probably accounts for at least 80% of the missing ballots. Being sent to old addresses of people who moved away likely accounts for 10% or more; voter rolls are only updated when people bother to tell the local officials - how many people when moving make that a priority when they don't even update their driver's license until it expires?

The big mystery is no mystery at all.

Note, I live in California, one of the 30 States where very few elections are ever close, and in one of the 300 uncompetitive congressional districts (those where if you and your closest 40,000 friends all switch votes from the incumbent there is a 50-50 chance they could be defeated; for statewide elections it's more like 2 million of your closest friends all switched from the majority party to the minority it'd be a toss up).

So missing ballots don't mean a whole lot.

(05-02-2020 04:19 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So do any of you want to get rid of absentee balloting then since it's so unreliable? May as well tell the military they can't vote because we think your ballot will go missing.

1.8 million people voted in Oregon in 2012 in the presidential election. 2 million voted in 2016. And even 1.86 million voted in 2018 in their gubernatorial election. Compare those numbers to say Oklahoma and Kentucky, the two states closest in population to Oregon and you'll see that they're very comparable (actually they're better than Oklahoma by quite a bit). I chose Oregon because the original link says 800,000 ballots went missing in that state in the 2012 and 2018 elections.

The argument that ballots are going missing isn't backed up by actual voting totals. Ballots aren't being returned by people who probably wouldn't have voted the traditional way, or perhaps a lot of the missing ballots are military ballots. That would be my guess.

I'm old enough to remember Al Gore not wanting to count the military absentee ballots.

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Absentee ballots are different than general mail-in ballots and I'm not concerned about those - except where it gets reported in almost every Federal election that many absentee ballots (esp. military) never made it to get counted. That one frosts me.

My big concern is the push for states to go ALL mail-in ballots, like my own state, completely controlled now by the left.

Here's another issue of concern, because states send ballots to all that are on the voting rolls, which are poorly maintained. When a State Attorney General wants to 'clean-up' voter rolls to remove those who have died or moved away, guess WHICH PARTY always, without fail opposes those efforts? That's how you get people double voting in two different states - a group that is likely far higher than the reported numbers, because you need a truly national voter database shared among states to ferret out that issue and SOME states resist actively joining such efforts. Of course, the refusal is always couched with "that doesn't happen much, there's no need."

Quote:American democracy has a problem — a voting problem. According to a new study of U.S. Census data, America has more registered voters than actual live voters. It's a troubling fact that puts our nation's future in peril.

The data come from Judicial Watch's Election Integrity Project. The group looked at data from 2011 to 2015 produced by the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey, along with data from the federal Election Assistance Commission.

As reported by the National Review's Deroy Murdock, who did some numbers-crunching of his own, "some 3.5 million more people are registered to vote in the U.S. than are alive among America's adult citizens. Such staggering inaccuracy is an engraved invitation to voter fraud."

Murdock counted Judicial Watch's state-by-state tally and found that 462 U.S. counties had a registration rate exceeding 100% of all eligible voters. That's 3.552 million people, who Murdock calls "ghost voters." And how many people is that? There are 21 states that don't have that many people.

U.S. Has 3.5 million More Registered Voters Than Live Adults - A Red Flag For Electoral Fraud