I stole this from a viral Facebook post...

I’ve read a lot of posts for and against reopening the country. Many attacking those who protest or want to open businesses back up as selfish and reckless. It got me to thinking.

There are those wanting to reopen, yet they’re being classified as selfish or worse. There are also those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that also being selfish?

You expect your garbage to be picked up.

You expect the grocery store to be open so you can get food to feed your family.

You expect truck drivers to supply the stores.

You expect farmers, meat packers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.

You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping.

You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep.

You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine.

And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them although many of them across the country have been furloughed because their units and services have been shut down while the entire system focuses only on COVID19.

The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place.

I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay "safe" in your home.

I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to go fishing and not fear getting arrested.

And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold. I could get run over by a bus. I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried? You won’t get it because you’re staying in your home. Are you going to shelter in place every time a new strand of the flu happens?

Our economy can’t withstand much more of this. If our economy collapses, so will every other economy worldwide.

If that happens, you will see the rise of tyrants.

I absolutely don’t want people to die...from COVID or anything else. I want people to live.

But sheltering in place is not living.

We're to the point where I can 100% reliably predict your political affiliation based on if you want to remain shut down or not.

Their hand is face up on the table, they want to and are willing to sabotage the economy in the hopes that it hurts Trump. The GOP governors should continue to open up in stages and by November, red states will be thriving and blue states will be collapsing. No bailouts!

(05-01-2020 10:42 AM)Kronke Wrote:  We're to the point where I can 100% reliably predict your political affiliation based on if you want to remain shut down or not.

Their hand is face up on the table, they want to and are willing to sabotage the economy in the hopes that it hurts Trump. The GOP governors should continue to open up in stages and by November, red states will be thriving and blue states will be collapsing. No bailouts!

I have otherwise Republican friends over 65 that are highly opposed to re-opening.

It is frightening to me that these rational people are turning on our civil liberties.

(05-01-2020 10:42 AM)Kronke Wrote:  We're to the point where I can 100% reliably predict your political affiliation based on if you want to remain shut down or not.

Their hand is face up on the table, they want to and are willing to sabotage the economy in the hopes that it hurts Trump. The GOP governors should continue to open up in stages and by November, red states will be thriving and blue states will be collapsing. No bailouts!

Pretty much all there is to it.

(05-01-2020 10:45 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 10:42 AM)Kronke Wrote:  We're to the point where I can 100% reliably predict your political affiliation based on if you want to remain shut down or not.

Their hand is face up on the table, they want to and are willing to sabotage the economy in the hopes that it hurts Trump. The GOP governors should continue to open up in stages and by November, red states will be thriving and blue states will be collapsing. No bailouts!

I have otherwise Republican friends over 65 that are highly opposed to re-opening.

It is frightening to me that these rational people are turning on our civil liberties.

If they are getting paid or not unemployed, I would tell them to go Phuck themselves because they don't have a say. I have not heard one person that is unemployed and/or not getting any benefits say that things shouldn't open back up. It is easy for someone who is getting paid to tell someone who isn't and struggling to stay at home to protect their weak sister chicken pshit asss.

'Sheltering in place' is unnecessary overkill... and not really what has been required of people. They've been asked to stay home as much as possible... and some businesses and activities that 'as practiced on March 1, 2020 create lots of opportunities for exposure and spread have numerous restrictions have been 'forcibly' instituted.

There are all sorts of ways to continue to work/do all sorts of things in a way that would (mostly) protect people from spread, but allow businesses to remain open. The most obvious example (and extreme measures) is healthcare. They do what they do because they work in relatively confined spaces with high volumes of people who are compromised, often with bodily fluid contact.

Businesses and individuals should all be looking at things that would have perhaps allowed them to stay open (like work from home for so many) and try and put the infrastructure/practices in place so that if this ever happens again, they are prepared and don't have to shut down....

THAT should be the big takeaway from this...

and while I absolutely support people's right 'not to participate'... MOST of these measures would not in any way be much more restrictive than and could in many ways be 'better' (lots of people who aren't normally allowed to work from home would love to)... those who decide to 'flaunt their rights' (unnecessarily) actually create the REASON for legislatures to impose restrictions as opposed to letting them be voluntary and having some people, some of the time during 'normal' times and most people, most of the time during 'emergencies'... follow them.

(05-01-2020 11:56 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  If they are getting paid or not unemployed, I would tell them to go Phuck themselves because they don't have a say. I have not heard one person that is unemployed and/or not getting any benefits say that things shouldn't open back up. It is easy for someone who is getting paid to tell someone who isn't and struggling to stay at home to protect their weak sister chicken pshit asss.

And this is why the shut down has sucked so bad....

I'm working, but my parents are older and need my physical help (grocery runs etc) .... and my kids are all out of work and need my financial help

and the bill passed to help people actually screws my kids because in 2018 tax year, they were dependents without their own places, but in 2020 work year they are not and have lots of rent due... and I make too much to get it, but not like I just have money to burn... so they get nothing...

HORRIBLE the way the assistance was doled out.

(05-01-2020 12:05 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 11:56 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  If they are getting paid or not unemployed, I would tell them to go Phuck themselves because they don't have a say. I have not heard one person that is unemployed and/or not getting any benefits say that things shouldn't open back up. It is easy for someone who is getting paid to tell someone who isn't and struggling to stay at home to protect their weak sister chicken pshit asss.

And this is why the shut down has sucked so bad....

I'm working, but my parents are older and need my physical help (grocery runs etc) .... and my kids are all out of work and need my financial help

and the bill passed to help people actually screws my kids because in 2018 tax year, they were dependents without their own places, but in 2020 work year they are not and have lots of rent due... and I make too much to get it, but not like I just have money to burn... so they get nothing...

HORRIBLE the way the assistance was doled out.

And at the same time places that are opening back up are having a hard time getting people to give up unemployment to actually return to work. Definitely lots of lessons to be learned from current events.

(05-01-2020 12:05 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 11:56 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  If they are getting paid or not unemployed, I would tell them to go Phuck themselves because they don't have a say. I have not heard one person that is unemployed and/or not getting any benefits say that things shouldn't open back up. It is easy for someone who is getting paid to tell someone who isn't and struggling to stay at home to protect their weak sister chicken pshit asss.

And this is why the shut down has sucked so bad....

I'm working, but my parents are older and need my physical help (grocery runs etc) .... and my kids are all out of work and need my financial help

and the bill passed to help people actually screws my kids because in 2018 tax year, they were dependents without their own places, but in 2020 work year they are not and have lots of rent due... and I make too much to get it, but not like I just have money to burn... so they get nothing...

HORRIBLE the way the assistance was doled out.

My daughter quit a full time job she was at for 1.5 years where she was making very good money at for a 19 yo, and put in her 2 weeks notice in Jan. because she was offered a serving job at a new to open restaurant on the beach that is run by a big developer that has multiple businesses on the beach. Her last day at her previous job was Feb. 7 and she started training on the 12th. The restaurant opened on like the 20th and was forced to close on March 16th or so. Basically she was denied Uemployment because she voluntarily left her previous job and hadn't made enough money to qualify at the new job. She works to pay for her apartment she has leased up at school she will start at in the Fall and wanted a serving job to work at while at school. She has an appeal hearing over the phone on May 26th to "plead her case". She is home with nothing to do and no money when she would be making very good money had all of this not happened. She has multiple friends her age that were servers making $300-$400 wk that are getting $631-$800+ per week now. One of her friends worked at her Grandmother's little diner once a week or so sitting people. She got $31/wk from the State and $600/wk from the Feds. We don't listen to anything the Government has to say when they are "looking out for us".

Just send everybody a check and let things shake out next April on tax returns.

The shelter in place orders and shut downs were designed for one reason and one reason only: To catch up our hospitals and responders so they could deal with the epidemic.

That has been done, so now there is no real need for a universal shelter in place and lockdown, as well as we have additional American data on what this looks like in America and it turns out to be both more contagious and also way less deadly than we were originally led to believe.

It is a fact that the Obama administration failed to learn from SARS and act to prepare the country for the next possible epidemic, Obama failed to act to inventory where vital equipment like ventilators were, which states had them and where and which states did not, Obama did not get PPP equipment in place for the next time, Obama did not have a preparedness plan in place for testing on a large scale, etc..etc..

President Trump's administration has worked vigorously to deal with an outbreak that was allowed to escape its origin by a hostile enemy, to temporarily halt a roaring economic miracle so they could catch up to prepare what was needed, and they and the state governors have now done so. No one seems to be requiring most people to go back to work, or to go out to eat etc..if they do not want to, but they are rightfully starting to allow folks that do want to do those things the opportunities to do so, and asking that people remain careful, which by and large most citizens at least seem to be.

(05-01-2020 01:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Just send everybody a check and let things shake out next April on tax returns.

That's how it should have happened.

Period.

This ain't rocket science folks.... could have been done in perhaps a 10 page bill

80 to 90% of them people say not to reopen this country. The ones protesting are only the minority of the people. The problem is that our elected leaders of both parties have not learned from the past on how to avoid these pandemics.

(05-01-2020 07:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  80 to 90% of them people say not to reopen this country. The ones protesting are only the minority of the people. The problem is that our elected leaders of both parties have not learned from the past on how to avoid these pandemics.

Doesn't matter. A majority of the people in the country can't take the rights away from the minority. If that were the case blacks would not have equal rights as whites. The past and all.

(05-01-2020 07:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  80 to 90% of them people say not to reopen this country. The ones protesting are only the minority of the people. The problem is that our elected leaders of both parties have not learned from the past on how to avoid these pandemics.

can you provide a link to these 80-90% people who want to stay locked down? No? Par for the course with your fantasy made up drivel.

(05-01-2020 07:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  80 to 90% of them people say not to reopen this country. The ones protesting are only the minority of the people. The problem is that our elected leaders of both parties have not learned from the past on how to avoid these pandemics.

I think it's 80-90% say re-open. The social media echo chamber may be against it

(05-02-2020 08:14 AM)Oman Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 07:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  80 to 90% of them people say not to reopen this country. The ones protesting are only the minority of the people. The problem is that our elected leaders of both parties have not learned from the past on how to avoid these pandemics.

I think it's 80-90% say re-open. The social media echo chamber may be against it

that's what pussieZZ do....