(04-22-2020 11:17 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:50 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  I think Conor may surprise a lot of people, I included. He may just be a steal. I like him.

Somebody name one walk-on in recent history who has pleasantly surprised any of us.

The only way he'll surprise anybody is if he gets more playing time in mop up duty than the other walk-ons. He's a 6'0" white point guard who shot 53% from the charity stripe.

Preston Laird didn't play much but he learned a lot while on the bench.

(04-22-2020 11:17 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:50 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  I think Conor may surprise a lot of people, I included. He may just be a steal. I like him.

Somebody name one walk-on in recent history who has pleasantly surprised any of us.

The only way he'll surprise anybody is if he gets more playing time in mop up duty than the other walk-ons. He's a 6'0" white point guard who shot 53% from the charity stripe.

Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

(04-22-2020 11:17 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:50 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  I think Conor may surprise a lot of people, I included. He may just be a steal. I like him.

Somebody name one walk-on in recent history who has pleasantly surprised any of us.

The only way he'll surprise anybody is if he gets more playing time in mop up duty than the other walk-ons. He's a 6'0" white point guard who shot 53% from the charity stripe.

Does Andre Allen count? He was technically a walk-on

Derrick Chew?

Nathaniel Root and Jake McDowell were walk-ons who started some games.

(04-22-2020 01:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:17 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:50 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  I think Conor may surprise a lot of people, I included. He may just be a steal. I like him.

Somebody name one walk-on in recent history who has pleasantly surprised any of us.

The only way he'll surprise anybody is if he gets more playing time in mop up duty than the other walk-ons. He's a 6'0" white point guard who shot 53% from the charity stripe.

Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 01:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:17 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:50 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  I think Conor may surprise a lot of people, I included. He may just be a steal. I like him.

Somebody name one walk-on in recent history who has pleasantly surprised any of us.

The only way he'll surprise anybody is if he gets more playing time in mop up duty than the other walk-ons. He's a 6'0" white point guard who shot 53% from the charity stripe.

Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

Yep. Andre Allen was ranked the #1 high school player going into his Freshman yr so he was an exception.

(04-22-2020 02:28 PM)Penny_Luva Wrote:  Yep. Andre Allen was ranked the #1 high school player going into his Freshman yr so he was an exception.

But then never grew another inch.

(04-22-2020 11:47 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  APR boost

Based on photo alone? interesting...

Can he bust a trey?

(04-22-2020 02:35 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:28 PM)Penny_Luva Wrote:  Yep. Andre Allen was ranked the #1 high school player going into his Freshman yr so he was an exception.

But then never grew another inch.

No but his shorts did.

(04-22-2020 03:29 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Can he bust a trey?

No. Shot 32% as a senior, averaging 6 points a game. I'm really curious why a kid from Illinois with those kind of numbers is coming to Memphis. Like somebody else said, it really feels like he has a connection here.

No big deal since we all know he'll be lucky to ever even see mop-up minutes but curious nonetheless.

(04-22-2020 03:38 PM)Penny_Luva Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:35 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:28 PM)Penny_Luva Wrote:  Yep. Andre Allen was ranked the #1 high school player going into his Freshman yr so he was an exception.

But then never grew another inch.

No but his shorts did.

LOL sure did!

(04-22-2020 04:12 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 03:29 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Can he bust a trey?

No. Shot 32% as a senior, averaging 6 points a game. I'm really curious why a kid from Illinois with those kind of numbers is coming to Memphis. Like somebody else said, it really feels like he has a connection here.

No big deal since we all know he'll be lucky to ever even see mop-up minutes but curious nonetheless.

Conner - welcome to the Memphis Tigers! Please forgive all the idiots on this board who like to make disparaging remarks about things they know nothing about. I’m sure you and the team will both benefit from having you as a member of the Tiger family.

(04-22-2020 11:47 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  APR boost

Really

(04-23-2020 12:15 AM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:47 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  APR boost

Really

Walk-ons don't count toward APR. That's why Jayden has a scholly.

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 01:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:17 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:50 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  I think Conor may surprise a lot of people, I included. He may just be a steal. I like him.

Somebody name one walk-on in recent history who has pleasantly surprised any of us.

The only way he'll surprise anybody is if he gets more playing time in mop up duty than the other walk-ons. He's a 6'0" white point guard who shot 53% from the charity stripe.

Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 01:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:17 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:50 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  I think Conor may surprise a lot of people, I included. He may just be a steal. I like him.

Somebody name one walk-on in recent history who has pleasantly surprised any of us.

The only way he'll surprise anybody is if he gets more playing time in mop up duty than the other walk-ons. He's a 6'0" white point guard who shot 53% from the charity stripe.

Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 01:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:17 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  Somebody name one walk-on in recent history who has pleasantly surprised any of us.

The only way he'll surprise anybody is if he gets more playing time in mop up duty than the other walk-ons. He's a 6'0" white point guard who shot 53% from the charity stripe.

Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

It shouldn't be. It's all pretty logical. There isn't an online article for this, but I was reading an article once on the subject and it was talking about how a lot of it is a combination of the lack of athleticism and the style of play they grew up with.

They found that kids playing predominately in white leagues and in white neighborhoods were indeed less athletic and therefore had to focus on developing fundamentals. They worked on perimeter shots, free throws, etc. Results in those games in those leagues depended on how well you executed the fundamentals.

Kids in the inner-city leagues and neighborhoods relied more on their speed and athleticism and could more easily adapt to faster styles of play. They didn't have to worry as much on the fundamentals and therefore the majority didn't place as much focus on them.

Larry Bird explained that as an un-athletic white kid from French Lick, by necessity he had to outwork everybody in order to achieve his dreams.

Here's an interesting article from Joel Embiid on how he researched becoming a better three point shooter:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/...story-time

(04-22-2020 11:02 PM)danny1 Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 04:12 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 03:29 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Can he bust a trey?

No. Shot 32% as a senior, averaging 6 points a game. I'm really curious why a kid from Illinois with those kind of numbers is coming to Memphis. Like somebody else said, it really feels like he has a connection here.

No big deal since we all know he'll be lucky to ever even see mop-up minutes but curious nonetheless.

Conner - welcome to the Memphis Tigers! Please forgive all the idiots on this board who like to make disparaging remarks about things they know nothing about. I’m sure you and the team will both benefit from having you as a member of the Tiger family.

Who has said anything disparaging or spoken on things they know nothing about?

1. Connor is listed at 6'0".
2. He averaged 6.2 points per game as a senior in high school.
3. He shot 53% from the free throw line.
4. He shot 32% from 3.
   

Best of luck to Connor, and welcome, but are we not allowed to post facts? It was stated that he would probably surprise a lot of people, and based on the stats, I am curious why one would think that.

Seems reasonable to me.