The NCAA is going to be voting on May 20th on a New Rule that will allow Basketball Players to transfer once without having to sit out a season. While it has not been confirmed yet, reports say if this new Eligibility rule passes, it will be implemented immediately for the upcoming 2020-21 season. That means that the 565 players who are currently in the Transfer Portal who are not deemed “Graduate Transfers “ with immediate eligibility, would now be allowed to suit up and play immediately. For Toledo, that means Division II Transfer J.T. Shumate would be eligible to play if he chose to do so even though he indicated he wanted to redshirt this upcoming season. In addition, a player like 7-0 Ft. Coppin St Transfer Brandon Medley-Bacon who right now has to sit out next season would be eligible which for Toledo would pay immediate dividends for front line depth if he chose to play for the Rockets. It will be interesting to see if the new pending rule has any impact on how Toledo goes about filling their last scholarship for the 2020 Class.

not guaranteed to pass so I'd imagine they won't base recruiting on it, but I see your point.

This makes open free agency in basketball and eventually football. The MAC will truly become a feeder for high major programs and the Mac the same for D II and those who don’t make it at high major schools. If people were upset about this years transfer “its only just begun” as the song goes. Great for the kids though!

The rule only stands to benefit the athletes and Great for the P5

(04-11-2020 03:54 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  The rule only stands to benefit the athletes and Great for the P5

Why not for us? How many Phillip Ealeys are out there as freshmen realizing they’re stuck behind three 4 star QBs with another coming in next year? How many Treshon Fletchers who don’t fit the new system or don’t like their new coach? I see lots of benefits to us picking up big fish from enormous ponds.

Bottom line is that the interests of the fans should not take priority. The proposed rule is good for the players. I support it for that reason, even though as a fan I don't like it.

it's fair for the players. coaches can leave and dont have to sit. students can change colleges and enroll right away. i do think the RS year helps a lot of guys tho. Spoon, Fletch, Taylor, Pearson, all grew into better players w the RS year.

What ever happen to "student athlete" ??


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(04-11-2020 06:59 PM)Party on the hill Wrote:  What ever happen to "student athlete" ??


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Students transfer schools all the time. They are allowed to take classes immediately - no penalty for transferring. I'm not sure how this rule change would contribute to taking the "student" out of student-athlete. I would say it does the opposite.

(04-11-2020 04:07 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-11-2020 03:54 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  The rule only stands to benefit the athletes and Great for the P5

Why not for us? How many Phillip Ealeys are out there as freshmen realizing they’re stuck behind three 4 star QBs with another coming in next year? How many Treshon Fletchers who don’t fit the new system or don’t like their new coach? I see lots of benefits to us picking up big fish from enormous ponds.

I agree there may be even more down than up. Some that aren't transferring down now because they don't want to sit out will now transfer down to play

I see ur point H2O. I guess I’m jaded as all other aspects of DI sports is slanted toward the P5.

Go Rockets!

So a mid major school takes a chance on kid or lets say the P5 schools swing a miss on recruiting a kid. He/she comes to Toledo and we spend 2-3 years helping this student, perfect their craft and helping academically, only to be rewarded with a "thanks but see ya" I'm spending my last one or two years elsewhere.

I'm all for this being about what is fair for the students, but these smaller schools are invested in the betterment of these kids on the classroom and on the fields/courts. Mid majors are not the minor leagues for the P5 schools. How would we ever compete if our Juniors and Seniors are allowed to walk. We may be only able to field one of those once in a generation teams every so often, but the P5 schools can reload every year with or without mid major kids transferring. Sure we might get a backup QB transferring for more playing time, but what about the Chester Taylor's, Tom Ward's and Lance Moore's of the world? Where would that have left us if they were allowed to transfer their senior years? I'm not trying to trap anyone here who doesn't want to be here, but this only helps P5 and I don't really give a fart about this happening in DII, they are irrelevant to this conversation. Actually DII and on down is probably what college athletics are really meant to be. Academics and athletics for the betterment to the individual and for school spirit, not a cash cow.

For now this is slanted to basketball. Its only a matter of time before football gets dragged into it.

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(04-12-2020 02:40 PM)emanoh Wrote:  So a mid major school takes a chance on kid or lets say the P5 schools swing a miss on recruiting a kid. He/she comes to Toledo and we spend 2-3 years helping this student, perfect their craft and helping academically, only to be rewarded with a "thanks but see ya" I'm spending my last one or two years elsewhere.

I'm all for this being about what is fair for the students, but these smaller schools are invested in the betterment of these kids on the classroom and on the fields/courts. Mid majors are not the minor leagues for the P5 schools. How would we ever compete if our Juniors and Seniors are allowed to walk. We may be only able to field one of those once in a generation teams every so often, but the P5 schools can reload every year with or without mid major kids transferring. Sure we might get a backup QB transferring for more playing time, but what about the Chester Taylor's, Mike Ward's and Lance Moore's of the world? Where would that have left us if they were allowed to transfer their senior years? I'm not trying to trap anyone here who doesn't want to be here, but this only helps P5 and I don't really give a fart about this happening in DII, they are irrelevant to this conversation. Actually DII and on down is probably what college athletics are really meant to be. Academics and athletics for the betterment to the individual and for school spirit, not a cash cow.

For now this is slanted to basketball. Its only a matter of time before football gets dragged into it.

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I agree ... There are multiple sites to follow the large (currently well over 700) transfers in basketball. But if there is a website listing the football transfers, I haven't found it.

Also, football already has so many built it advantages (blue shirts, gray shirts - four games to play as freshman and still maintain eligibility) that other sports don't have that the immediate transfer rule works more in favor of pushing bad P5 players down that scarfing good MM players up.

In BB the P5 schools often recruit 'maturity and experience' from the MM probably as much or more than true talent. The kids, however, really don't see it that way. Meanwhile a P5 'senior' transfer who has barely played 3/yrs is just as much a mystery at the MM level as a true freshman.

W/FB however, the reverse works in favor of MM programs ... a "mature and experienced" P5 backup Offensive/defensive lineman as a transfer is a huge pickup for a MAC team allowing an unproven freshman to truly redshirt instead of being a backup or even forced to start due to injury.

(04-12-2020 04:22 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:40 PM)emanoh Wrote:  So a mid major school takes a chance on kid or lets say the P5 schools swing a miss on recruiting a kid. He/she comes to Toledo and we spend 2-3 years helping this student, perfect their craft and helping academically, only to be rewarded with a "thanks but see ya" I'm spending my last one or two years elsewhere.

I'm all for this being about what is fair for the students, but these smaller schools are invested in the betterment of these kids on the classroom and on the fields/courts. Mid majors are not the minor leagues for the P5 schools. How would we ever compete if our Juniors and Seniors are allowed to walk. We may be only able to field one of those once in a generation teams every so often, but the P5 schools can reload every year with or without mid major kids transferring. Sure we might get a backup QB transferring for more playing time, but what about the Chester Taylor's, Mike Ward's and Lance Moore's of the world? Where would that have left us if they were allowed to transfer their senior years? I'm not trying to trap anyone here who doesn't want to be here, but this only helps P5 and I don't really give a fart about this happening in DII, they are irrelevant to this conversation. Actually DII and on down is probably what college athletics are really meant to be. Academics and athletics for the betterment to the individual and for school spirit, not a cash cow.

For now this is slanted to basketball. Its only a matter of time before football gets dragged into it.

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I agree ... There are multiple sites to follow the large (currently well over 700) transfers in basketball. But if there is a website listing the football transfers, I haven't found it.

Also, football already has so many built it advantages (blue shirts, gray shirts - four games to play as freshman and still maintain eligibility) that other sports don't have that the immediate transfer rule works more in favor of pushing bad P5 players down that scarfing good MM players up.

In BB the P5 schools often recruit 'maturity and experience' from the MM probably as much or more than true talent. The kids, however, really don't see it that way. Meanwhile a P5 'senior' transfer who has barely played 3/yrs is just as much a mystery at the MM level as a true freshman.

W/FB however, the reverse works in favor of MM programs ... a "mature and experienced" P5 backup Offensive/defensive lineman as a transfer is a huge pickup for a MAC team allowing an unproven freshman to truly redshirt instead of being a backup or even forced to start due to injury.

247 has the FB transfer portal

Rarer cases of Fletcher and Willy, and much more Turner's and Marreons moving up. Especially after a great junior season, where a P5 could swoop in and take a starting guard for one season. Lots of Duke, Kansas and Kentucky players and one and dones anyways. Lots of leadership in the 3 year G5 guys...

(04-12-2020 08:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Rarer cases of Fletcher and Willy, and much more Turner's and Marreons moving up. Especially after a great junior season, where a P5 could swoop in and take a starting guard for one season. Lots of Duke, Kansas and Kentucky players and one and dones anyways. Lots of leadership in the 3 year G5 guys...

I dunno. Top junior player at Kent or Miami, bright future, potential pro career, has an opportunity to go to OSU or Ky for a year and get their name out there OR go to OSU or Ky and sit behind the 4star frosh who just signed. If I’m that guy I’m thinking long and hard before I make that switch from being THE man to being a man. Look at MAC players who moved up-how many succeeded? Two WMU guys had mixed results-one got booted from Illinois, IIRC, the other did well at Xavier but didn’t set the world afire. BG’s guy did well at OSU. Can’t think of many others.

Wright, Taylor and Fletcher all did well at UT after stepping down from P5 conferences.

(04-12-2020 08:23 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 08:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Rarer cases of Fletcher and Willy, and much more Turner's and Marreons moving up. Especially after a great junior season, where a P5 could swoop in and take a starting guard for one season. Lots of Duke, Kansas and Kentucky players and one and dones anyways. Lots of leadership in the 3 year G5 guys...

I dunno. Top junior player at Kent or Miami, bright future, potential pro career, has an opportunity to go to OSU or Ky for a year and get their name out there OR go to OSU or Ky and sit behind the 4star frosh who just signed. If I’m that guy I’m thinking long and hard before I make that switch from being THE man to being a man. Look at MAC players who moved up-how many succeeded? Two WMU guys had mixed results-one got booted from Illinois, IIRC, the other did well at Xavier but didn’t set the world afire. BG’s guy did well at OSU. Can’t think of many others.

Wright, Taylor and Fletcher all did well at UT after stepping down from P5 conferences.

Look, when Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky and the like are taking transfers then mid-majors are cooked. The get the one-and-dones. then swap them out with physically mature mm-transfers with lots of game experience. Win/Win.

Mid-majors are left scrambling, practically killing any hope for a coach building then sustaining a solid program.

Emmert is a joke of a NCAA president letting this happen ... all the while claiming he is 'Cleaning' up the sport. He's just like Trump, a crook in plain site pointing at everybody else.

(04-12-2020 09:21 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 08:23 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 08:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Rarer cases of Fletcher and Willy, and much more Turner's and Marreons moving up. Especially after a great junior season, where a P5 could swoop in and take a starting guard for one season. Lots of Duke, Kansas and Kentucky players and one and dones anyways. Lots of leadership in the 3 year G5 guys...

I dunno. Top junior player at Kent or Miami, bright future, potential pro career, has an opportunity to go to OSU or Ky for a year and get their name out there OR go to OSU or Ky and sit behind the 4star frosh who just signed. If I’m that guy I’m thinking long and hard before I make that switch from being THE man to being a man. Look at MAC players who moved up-how many succeeded? Two WMU guys had mixed results-one got booted from Illinois, IIRC, the other did well at Xavier but didn’t set the world afire. BG’s guy did well at OSU. Can’t think of many others.

Wright, Taylor and Fletcher all did well at UT after stepping down from P5 conferences.

Look, when Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky and the like are taking transfers then mid-majors are cooked. The get the one-and-dones. then swap them out with physically mature mm-transfers with lots of game experience. Win/Win.

Mid-majors are left scrambling, practically killing any hope for a coach building then sustaining a solid program.

Emmert is a joke of a NCAA president letting this happen ... all the while claiming he is 'Cleaning' up the sport. He's just like Trump, a crook in plain site pointing at everybody else.

Prior to the coronavirus, Trump's net worth already dropped about $1 billion while in office.

(04-12-2020 09:21 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 08:23 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 08:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Rarer cases of Fletcher and Willy, and much more Turner's and Marreons moving up. Especially after a great junior season, where a P5 could swoop in and take a starting guard for one season. Lots of Duke, Kansas and Kentucky players and one and dones anyways. Lots of leadership in the 3 year G5 guys...

I dunno. Top junior player at Kent or Miami, bright future, potential pro career, has an opportunity to go to OSU or Ky for a year and get their name out there OR go to OSU or Ky and sit behind the 4star frosh who just signed. If I’m that guy I’m thinking long and hard before I make that switch from being THE man to being a man. Look at MAC players who moved up-how many succeeded? Two WMU guys had mixed results-one got booted from Illinois, IIRC, the other did well at Xavier but didn’t set the world afire. BG’s guy did well at OSU. Can’t think of many others.

Wright, Taylor and Fletcher all did well at UT after stepping down from P5 conferences.

Look, when Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky and the like are taking transfers then mid-majors are cooked. The get the one-and-dones. then swap them out with physically mature mm-transfers with lots of game experience. Win/Win.

Mid-majors are left scrambling, practically killing any hope for a coach building then sustaining a solid program.

Emmert is a joke of a NCAA president letting this happen ... all the while claiming he is 'Cleaning' up the sport. He's just like Trump, a crook in plain site pointing at everybody else.

Please, no politics. Take that elsewhere. Thanks.

(04-13-2020 10:11 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 09:21 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 08:23 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 08:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Rarer cases of Fletcher and Willy, and much more Turner's and Marreons moving up. Especially after a great junior season, where a P5 could swoop in and take a starting guard for one season. Lots of Duke, Kansas and Kentucky players and one and dones anyways. Lots of leadership in the 3 year G5 guys...

I dunno. Top junior player at Kent or Miami, bright future, potential pro career, has an opportunity to go to OSU or Ky for a year and get their name out there OR go to OSU or Ky and sit behind the 4star frosh who just signed. If I’m that guy I’m thinking long and hard before I make that switch from being THE man to being a man. Look at MAC players who moved up-how many succeeded? Two WMU guys had mixed results-one got booted from Illinois, IIRC, the other did well at Xavier but didn’t set the world afire. BG’s guy did well at OSU. Can’t think of many others.

Wright, Taylor and Fletcher all did well at UT after stepping down from P5 conferences.

Look, when Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky and the like are taking transfers then mid-majors are cooked. The get the one-and-dones. then swap them out with physically mature mm-transfers with lots of game experience. Win/Win.

Mid-majors are left scrambling, practically killing any hope for a coach building then sustaining a solid program.

Emmert is a joke of a NCAA president letting this happen ... all the while claiming he is 'Cleaning' up the sport. He's just like Trump, a crook in plain site pointing at everybody else.

Please, no politics. Take that elsewhere. Thanks.

I second what Ranger Said!!!!!!!!!
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