(03-08-2020 07:41 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:38 PM)TribeGoldenAgeofBasketball Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:25 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:17 PM)TribeGoldenAgeofBasketball Wrote:  Only concern is Elon shot the ball poorly in the first game. If they worked that out in the new arena and are more comfortable in their second game, I'd be worried if we arent able to match their success. No one seems to be mentioning it but I can see Nate forcing to try and get the points record. What was tricky last game was Luke in foul trouble. If that's avoided (so we dont have to play Thornton Scott) then we should be able to neutralize their perimeter play. Scheffield against Thornton, as it was a lot last week, just seems to be asking for disaster.

If Nate was forcing it for the points record, he would’ve already had it.

This is a ridiculous statement.

Hate to point it out to ya considering but it's the blindness that you and others exhibit that ultimately hurt this program. Just re read the above friend as it all came to fruition.

You saying that a way that this game could’ve been lost is Nate becoming too selfish, in an effort to boost personal stats. Nate hasn’t done that all season. It was a ridiculous statement then, it’s a ridiculous statement now.

0 assists, 3 tos, and 5 fouls-was it 2 offensive? Call it what you will, seeking for stats or thinking it all rested on his shoulders, when the double came he tried to go through it most of the time instead of finding the open man. And when he did pass it was only after an attempt to the basket.

(03-08-2020 07:52 PM)TribeGoldenAgeofBasketball Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:41 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:38 PM)TribeGoldenAgeofBasketball Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:25 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:17 PM)TribeGoldenAgeofBasketball Wrote:  Only concern is Elon shot the ball poorly in the first game. If they worked that out in the new arena and are more comfortable in their second game, I'd be worried if we arent able to match their success. No one seems to be mentioning it but I can see Nate forcing to try and get the points record. What was tricky last game was Luke in foul trouble. If that's avoided (so we dont have to play Thornton Scott) then we should be able to neutralize their perimeter play. Scheffield against Thornton, as it was a lot last week, just seems to be asking for disaster.

If Nate was forcing it for the points record, he would’ve already had it.

This is a ridiculous statement.

Hate to point it out to ya considering but it's the blindness that you and others exhibit that ultimately hurt this program. Just re read the above friend as it all came to fruition.

You saying that a way that this game could’ve been lost is Nate becoming too selfish, in an effort to boost personal stats. Nate hasn’t done that all season. It was a ridiculous statement then, it’s a ridiculous statement now.

0 assists, 3 tos, and 5 fouls-was it 2 offensive? Call it what you will, seeking for stats or thinking it all rested on his shoulders, when the double came he tried to go through it most of the time instead of finding the open man. And when he did pass it was only after an attempt to the basket.

Was he pressing? Sure. But it had nothing to do with stats or records. I'm pretty sure in the timeout Dane encouraged him to take over. It's what an elite player is supposed to do. Did it work out? The results speak for themselves, but Nate did nothing I wouldn't have been coaching him to do. In fact, as dominant a force as he is, I don't think he forces it as much as he should. That's just my opinion.

(03-08-2020 07:48 PM)TribeHoopster Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:39 PM)Tribester Wrote:  So sick of this BS. Holmes isn’t here anymore so F him. Same goes for Shaver, Pierce, Milon, Audige, Owens and all the rest. Only thing I care about is the people that stayed and still wear the Green and Gold.

This is a bad post. Don’t let your emotions take it out on the wrong people. Holmes lost his job, the other kids lost their coach. I’m hurt over this loss too, but saying F Holmes and F Shaver and F the kids who left is not productive. Should be pointing our anger in a different direction IMO.

Holmes was asked to stay but wanted to move on. Can't say I blame him one bit. I can also understand why our players left and our star recruit decommitted. I don't like it, but I get why they figured W&M was no longer a desirable place for them. I certainly hold no ill will toward any of them.

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(03-08-2020 07:39 PM)Tribester Wrote:  So sick of this BS. Holmes isn’t here anymore so F him. Same goes for Shaver, Pierce, Milon, Audige, Owens and all the rest. Only thing I care about is the people that stayed and still wear the Green and Gold.

Root for whoever you want, but we replaced Pierce, Milon, Audige, Owens and Brown with a bunch of B-level talent and it’s showed all year. It turned us from a group who would’ve dominated this conference to one that was vulnerable.

I’m sure all of you too connected to the team to ever criticize it will tell me how bright the future is with Dane, but the fact is that we have big structural disadvantages, an NBA talent fell into our laps, we didn’t maximize the opportunity and now we’re gonna be hoping for lightning in a bottle every March.

Very tough to see Nathan go out on a note like this. Has been great to see him grow and mature into one of the Tribe's all-time greats. Like so many on this board, I was bitter over the firing of Shaver, but gave Fischer a chance and have really grown to like him. He's such a high character guy whose calm demeanor rubbed off on the team this season. Having said that, I agree with many Tribe fans who found this season's team almost boring to watch offensively -- way too NBA-ish with all the iso stuff -- compared to the high motion Princeton offense of recent years. That seems to be the trade-off when you ratchet things up defensively. This loss hurts for a lot of reasons -- not the least of which is that if the Tribe had won the CAA and gone to the big dance, Huge may have ridden that success into the Power 5 AD job she wants so bad.

Whatever you want to think, the fact is no matter who he coaches for Coach Holmes is nothing but class, a great recruiter, and an amazing person.

For me, he will always be a special part of our family and community. OneTribeOneFamily right?

I hate that it came at our expense so much, and I bleed green and gold purely, truly and completely, and I’m crushed by this loss, but there is a part of me that is happy for Coach Holmes. All the CAA interviews and Social Media, including Elon postgame locker room footage, you can tell how much this meant to Coach Holmes and to Elon for Coach Holmes.

You can also tell how much Coach Holmes means to the W&M community, the Knight family, Andy’s family and so many others by his reception and pictures last weekend at Senior Day.

While Coach Holmes’ coaching might not have had a huge impact per say, I think it’s fair to say he provided some extra motivation for Elon tonight to play for him in a way. He’s so good relationally.

Go Tribe!


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(03-08-2020 07:24 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  I’m not sure why I continue to spend a lot to travel to watch this sad re-run expecting a different outcome, 48th season in a row as a disappointed Tribe fan. I’m beginning to wonder if the term masochist might apply.

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Whelp, I’ve found the silver lining: I haven’t been waiting as long as Leadbolt. Only 40 seasons for me, but this one hurts. Can’t imagine how the team is feeling.

What was really hard for me was our lack of team effort in defensive rebounding. That killed us. Our guards rarely if ever box out and the long rebounds off of Elon’s 3’s exposed us in that and they out worked us.

We really need to hit on these last 2 open scholarships this year.


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(03-08-2020 08:17 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  What was really hard for me was our lack of team effort in defensive rebounding. That killed us. Our guards rarely if ever box out and the long rebounds off of Elon’s 3’a really exposes us in that and they out worked us.

We really need to hit on these last 2 open scholarships this year.


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Our guards have ball watched on rebounds the entire season. Usually Knight or VV would secure the rebounds over the course of the season. Unfortunately for today, Elon's misses were mostly back iron and the rebound was going 12-15 feet from the hoop and Knight/VV were not in the area to get the rebound

A certain person is so quick to crow about his/her masterplan, great all-knowing decisions, thanks to those who trusted him/her, great wins, etc but radio silent after a loss.

One Tribe. One Family. Unless We Lose. for some, I guess.

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We let a dude that usually scores 10 a game put 20 and 15 on us. Face it, we are cursed. People always have the game of their lives against us. Bet he scores six tomorrow.

That was a really tough loss. I feel terrible for the guys. Wish there had been better execution and effort on the boards. They gave us a season no one expected, which makes tonight that much harder.

Best of luck to the seniors on their next steps both on (for a few) and off the court. They represented us very well.

I hope Dane, staff, and the returning players learn whatever they need to learn from tonight’s game in order to have a better postseason performance next year.



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The CAA Basketball tweet featuring Holmes placing the placard to advance Elon to the semifinals was liked by Tony. He’s obviously happy for his former assistant.

On a personal note, I was upset prior to the tournament that I was not going to be able to make it to any games due to work travel. I can take solace in the fact that it won’t bother me anymore.

I’m a New Orleans Saints fan who witnessed a heavily favored team fall just a few months ago and now this. 2020 sucks being a fan.

Watching Tre McBride live interview during the TB/LA XFL game is helping. Go Tribe!


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(03-08-2020 08:02 PM)FauqDawg10 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:39 PM)Tribester Wrote:  So sick of this BS. Holmes isn’t here anymore so F him. Same goes for Shaver, Pierce, Milon, Audige, Owens and all the rest. Only thing I care about is the people that stayed and still wear the Green and Gold.

Root for whoever you want, but we replaced Pierce, Milon, Audige, Owens and Brown with a bunch of B-level talent and it’s showed all year. It turned us from a group who would’ve dominated this conference to one that was vulnerable.

I’m sure all of you too connected to the team to ever criticize it will tell me how bright the future is with Dane, but the fact is that we have big structural disadvantages, an NBA talent fell into our laps, we didn’t maximize the opportunity and now we’re gonna be hoping for lightning in a bottle every March.

The NBA talent didn’t fall into our laps. He was recruited. And decided to go to William and Mary. Wonder why?

(03-08-2020 07:31 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:21 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  The Shaver firing is definitely going to hurt next year, but I think it’s time we all move on from that. What happened, happened. Nothing will change it now.

Good luck. I've been trying to encourage people to do that since the preseason.

No strategy or play design Coach Holmes did beat us. Where Coach Holmes really hurt us is the talent he took with him to Elon. Guys he recruited while here that went elsewhere or with him to Elon. Cam Brown to st joes, and the two all-freshmen were both guys being pursued by the pre-Dane Tribe.

Let’s dial down the “Coach Holmes” affect. He may have been the primary recruiter but at the end of the day the head coach is the closer. The parents of these kids don’t care what an assistant says. They want to talk to the head coach. The man who is going to take personally take responsibility for their children. It’s not an assistant. Let’s get real.

(03-08-2020 07:31 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:21 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  The Shaver firing is definitely going to hurt next year, but I think it’s time we all move on from that. What happened, happened. Nothing will change it now.

Good luck. I've been trying to encourage people to do that since the preseason.

No strategy or play design Coach Holmes did beat us. Where Coach Holmes really hurt us is the talent he took with him to Elon. Guys he recruited while here that went elsewhere or with him to Elon. Cam Brown to st joes, and the two all-freshmen were both guys being pursued by the pre-Dane Tribe.

Let’s dial down the “Coach Holmes” effect. He may have been the primary recruiter but at the end of the day the head coach is the closer. The parents of these kids don’t care what an assistant says. They want to talk to the head coach. The man who is going to personally take responsibility for their children. It’s not an assistant. Let’s get real.

Feel for the Tribe, tough lost. Many thru the Commonwealth were pulling for you.

(03-08-2020 07:43 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Nate Knight is all class.

To the podium we have from @ElonMBasketball Head Coach Mike Schrage along with student-athletes Hunter Woods & Marcus Sheffield https://t.co/LXoTFTWFvU

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Wow. Just got the chance to watch this interview. Anyone who hasn't yet really should (our bit starts around 23:30). I didn't think anything would make me feel better about that loss but Nate handled the entire interview with grace and composure. Very proud to have him as a fellow alumnus.

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(03-08-2020 10:59 PM)Tac12 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:31 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:21 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  The Shaver firing is definitely going to hurt next year, but I think it’s time we all move on from that. What happened, happened. Nothing will change it now.

Good luck. I've been trying to encourage people to do that since the preseason.

No strategy or play design Coach Holmes did beat us. Where Coach Holmes really hurt us is the talent he took with him to Elon. Guys he recruited while here that went elsewhere or with him to Elon. Cam Brown to st joes, and the two all-freshmen were both guys being pursued by the pre-Dane Tribe.

Let’s dial down the “Coach Holmes” effect. He may have been the primary recruiter but at the end of the day the head coach is the closer. The parents of these kids don’t care what an assistant says. They want to talk to the head coach. The man who is going to personally take responsibility for their children. It’s not an assistant. Let’s get real.

I’m just gonna assume you didn’t watch/ go to the senior day game vs Elon. There was at least a 30 second period when Holmes was called to midcourt where Nate and Andy’s families had a long hugging session. We ALL know Nate and Andy would’ve never played in the green and gold if it wasn’t for Holmes.

Also, have you heard the way Nate talked about Dane? Nate made it seem like he LOVED Dane. Wonder why we didn’t hear that talk about Shaver? Last I checked, Dane didn’t recruit Nate. If you think head coaches are the only coaches that have close relationships with players/families, lets get real.

Still not ready to comment on the actual game yet. I wanted to watch the replay on Flo but the only one they are showing is the Towson/NE game. Maybe tomorrow. Random thoughts/emotions:

1. It had to end this way. Karma is a bit**. Thanks Huge!

2. I hope Joey D and the CAA will be happy with the empty arena for the next 2 days. Their only attendance will be pre-sold books and a few dozen walk-ups from Hofstra or NE or UD.

3. I don’t have my running list of officials with me but I’m pretty sure that we hadn’t seen these bozos all year. Just criminal that the conference tournament is officiated by such a bad crew, especially the oldest guy (the fat one).