(02-09-2020 09:32 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  While I appreciate the conversation about the officials...And Maybe I watched a different game, but I guess my takeaway from the game is the officials didn't make us turn the ball of 19 times to a team that was 2-10 in conference play.

I’m not blaming the refs persay, but... certainly if the opposing team is allowed to trap and foul the entire time they are trapping that would make us turn the ball over SOME of those 19 times.

I was actually texting with a fellow Tribe fan in the bad stretch in the first half and made a similar statement to yours. They pointed out what I did above. As I watched I came to agree. How are you supposed to avoid turnovers while getting mauled? It’s not easy, I will say that.


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Good point about the statue. Unwarranted then...as was how we desperately needed to get Scott back in the lineup.

We're headed for a 6 seed if we don't stop the bleeding. It's no fun watching us drop from #1 to getting steamrolled by many of our conference mates.



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(02-09-2020 11:36 AM)wml33t Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 09:32 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  While I appreciate the conversation about the officials...And Maybe I watched a different game, but I guess my takeaway from the game is the officials didn't make us turn the ball of 19 times to a team that was 2-10 in conference play.

I’m not blaming the refs persay, but... certainly if the opposing team is allowed to trap and foul the entire time they are trapping that would make us turn the ball over SOME of those 19 times.

I was actually texting with a fellow Tribe fan in the bad stretch in the first half and made a similar statement to yours. They pointed out what I did above. As I watched I came to agree. How are you supposed to avoid turnovers while getting mauled? It’s not easy, I will say that.

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The Wilmington Coach said in his halftime comments in the second half they were going to come out and push us in the chest (I think he was specifically talking about AVV). Either way, he identified they were playing soft, and they tightened up because they could.

We've gotta adjust to how the game is being called. If they're keeping their whistle quiet, we've gotta be able to adjust to that.

The amount of times we made lazy passes or passed straight into the corner at mid-court and picked up our dribble isn't caused by us being fouled and not getting the call. Its a poor press break.

(02-09-2020 11:51 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  The Wilmington Coach said in his halftime comments in the second half they were going to come out and push us in the chest (I think he was specifically talking about AVV). Either way, he identified they were playing soft, and they tightened up because they could.

We've gotta adjust to how the game is being called. If they're keeping their whistle quiet, we've gotta be able to adjust to that.

The amount of times we made lazy passes or passed straight into the corner at mid-court and picked up our dribble isn't caused by us being fouled and not getting the call. Its a poor press break.

Agreed. If they're gonna push us in the chest, start pushing back. Either we'll benefit from the increased intensity or the officials will tighten up on the calls.

While we're here, I like Dane, but he has to work the officials. If freedom of movement is a problem he needs to complain about it until they start calling it or he earns a T.

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Even if you want to say the refs helped us on the press, we were deflecting passes too for much of the game. Our press was effective against Charleston when we beat them there.

(02-09-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Even if you want to say the refs helped us on the press, we were deflecting passes too for much of the game. Our press was effective against Charleston when we beat them there.

Your team played with a swagger in front of a crowd that was rabid. This is why your coaching change was so important. I have no clue whether the new guy is any good, but he has his team playing with a purpose. Sometimes that's all you can ask.

Refs play to the crowd and with momentum. I've been watching games for almost 50 years and that's how it goes. Not that it's the best outcome, but it's reality.

(02-09-2020 11:51 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  The Wilmington Coach said in his halftime comments in the second half they were going to come out and push us in the chest (I think he was specifically talking about AVV). Either way, he identified they were playing soft, and they tightened up because they could.

We've gotta adjust to how the game is being called. If they're keeping their whistle quiet, we've gotta be able to adjust to that.

The amount of times we made lazy passes or passed straight into the corner at mid-court and picked up our dribble isn't caused by us being fouled and not getting the call. Its a poor press break.

He was talking about defending AVV and it worked as he is more of fitness player. Also AVV was called upon to play most of the second half due to Knight's fouls issues and he does not have the bulk to defend their 5 nor the inside game.

(02-09-2020 10:22 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 04:46 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Unremarkable.

Our coach shows ZERO emotion. Emphasis on defense is a plus but I'm not at all impressed with his game management, ability to light a fire under our players, or (as of this moment) recruiting. What could've been.

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Watch his post game interview. You could tell he was trying to hold back laughter a couple of times and then he did laugh when he was asked how they could have diffused the full court press. I guess he thought it was laughable. My emotion would have been frustration with some anger mixed in.

I liked the part when he talked about UNCW having great athletes (I guess we don't have great athletes).

He may not be wrong.

One thing that sort of smacked me upside the head, on the Thursday night FloSports broadcast, was a comment by the Charleston Color Analyst during the Tribe's second half drive to make a comeback attempt.

The analyst was a former Cougar player and was, truth be told, fairly solid in his observations, all game long.

During the comeback attempt, he said (paraphrasing, a bit, here) "One thing we don't have to worry about, on defense, is that, other than Knight, William & Mary does not really have anyone who is athletic enough to beat any of our guys off the dribble. That means we don't have to help off on anybody on D." "As long as our guys stay in front of their man, they will have trouble getting in the paint and will also have trouble passing, because every one still has some one guarding them (no double teams) on the perimeter."

That statement just hit me up side the head. Boom!

So, while I think Dane is doing a solid job, in his first year, he still has a lot to learn and he, and his staff, still have a big job ahead of him to get more Nathan Knights and Chase Audiges (minus the controlling parents...) into the program.

I am a big fan of Dane and supportive. His coaching style is to depend upon his assistants to do their assigned jobs with him overseeing plus lead the operation in IMO. Ultimately he is responsible.

Clearly we got outcoached not only in the game last night but last Saturday at home against Hofstra. Dane and his staff need to make better adjustments during the game. Also they need to rethink the current substitution methodology based on the performance of the players and game situations.

I question Andy playing the 5 position all the time when Nat is out as he got eaten up by UNCW centers in the 2 half inside. Thou Harvey is liability on offense I suspect his D inside would have helped last night.

It odd we called our FINAL Timeout with 37 seconds to play after cutting their lead to 66-62 since we had used a Timeout at 54 seconds after cutting the lead to 64-60. The strategy then was to foul so I would have expected them to talk thru what to do if they made the FT after we fouled them and then scored ourselves. It left us with no options for the coach to lead a comeback.

Finally for our team in some match ups are not athletics enough to play good D with man to man then use our zone which may necessitate more focus on it in practice. We are now too predictable.

We got a new coach and should expect a learning curve as we are all human and I feel he will lead us to the promised land hopefully sooner versus later!

If Dane does not lead the Tribe to the promised land this year, remind me why we fired our prior coach at the conclusion of last year.

Folks may not want to hear it, but the reality is this: the conversation over the next several years will be directly impacted by whether the Tribe makes the Dance this year or not. Crow is on the menu in March, 2020. If the Dance is not made, crow goes off the menu permanently, to be replaced by “what were they thinking?”, which will grow louder and louder each year the Dance is not made, .500 in conference is not accomplished, and the tournament play-in game becomes a new normal.

For the program’s sake, I hope I’m eating crow next month.

Go Tribe!

In my mind, it doesn't really matter if we get to the dance this year or not, because the crater from the atomic bomb that went off will be hard to dig out of, and it's probably still radioactive in terms of who wants to come play or coach here. Huge thought that she could wave her magic wand and get a big name coach in here, but when the talent all took off, and there wasn't enough money to pay someone of note, it was too late. Pad the early schedule to make the record look nice. Get a couple transfers who are actually good kids who play hard, and we had a chance to be competitive. That's what we are pretty much, but it looks like we're sliding at the wrong time. Remember too, that other than Scott and Barnes missing a little time, we've been very healthy. So we can't blame that. I just don't think we have the make up to make a three or four game run in March given how we've played lately. Run the table and maybe we have a chance in DC.

Zone is a good point. UNCW was beating us off the dribble and can't shoot except for Boggs. Maybe a zone would have put us on better footing, although I know that rebounding out of a zone has been a problem for us in the past.

(02-09-2020 01:35 PM)wmmii Wrote:  Finally I question Andy playing the 5 position all the time when Nat is out as he got eaten up by UNCW centers in the 2 half inside. Thou Harvey is liability on offense I suspect his D inside would have helped last night.

Someone posted earlier or on a different thread that Mehkel plays few minutes but almost always gets a block or a rebound when he's in the game. Why he isn't coming off the bench to spell Nate when the opponent has bigs who are literally beating the hell out of us is one of the biggest mysteries - to me - this year.

We consistently play (and often start) at least two players who are liabilities on offense...seems like we could switch one of them out on occasion and put Mehkel in for some inside defense, especially when they're physical (like UNCWs bigs were) and Nate can't afford another foul.