(01-23-2020 09:10 AM)criticallyill Wrote:  After the game with the press conference, Penny looked like he had been crying. I will admit I hate when coaches are screaming. But Penny needed to yell at these guys last night.

If you are talking about his eyes I noticed they were really red during the game as well.

(01-23-2020 01:57 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 09:10 AM)criticallyill Wrote:  After the game with the press conference, Penny looked like he had been crying. I will admit I hate when coaches are screaming. But Penny needed to yell at these guys last night.

If you are talking about his eyes I noticed they were really red during the game as well.

I agree. I noticed that. He was not his easy, calm self this game. He was pissed.

(01-23-2020 01:57 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 01:09 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 01:06 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  We shot something like 25% from the field. That's on the players. They can't make shots. I would like to see more set plays, and there were some, but the ball just wouldn't drop. Man it was ugly.

They weren't prepared. That's coaching.

I just wonder what percentage of practices are spent on fundamentals, i.e., shooting, free throw shooting, passing, catching the ball etc.? I think some of these young players practiced dunks and dribbling more in high school that fundamentals. Can't assume they learned proper technique in H.S. Don't know that but just a theory. It may depend on the players spending some extra time in the gym away from practice. It's my understanding that Boogie does that, but is he doing it when he's tired to replicate a real game condition and with someone in his face? I know Calipari had his teams to shoot fts at the end of practices when they were tired. It's like I stated before the season started when everyone was going bonkers about these highly recruited players what these guys could do in H.S. is totally different playing against D-1 "seasoned" players. It's hard to know until they do it. I'd bet the ones who return next year will be improved.

Most college coaches (of any sport) assign homework. Shoot x FTs per day, Run x distance per day, etc. Teams have practices together. But players have individual work-outs they're expected to work around their class schedule. It's more effecient and individual growth driven. Players hold each other accountable because my team is best if my teammates are their best selves.

Edit: 2 players I know: Player 1 was a state champion tennis player who decided not to play in college (acad scholly goes on to be MD). Player 2 wass an average/good HS player that went on to play at small college (Rhodes). He hit tons of balls daily as dictated by his coach. The 2 met years after playing (neither was practiced). Player 2 beat the **** outta Player 1 like Pete Sampres would beat an amateur. Really very impressive. That also helps to understand how a lesser recruited senior becomes so valuable. On top of that, a senior is 22, not 18.

Our leadership is strong. We'll be ok.

(01-23-2020 01:57 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 09:10 AM)criticallyill Wrote:  After the game with the press conference, Penny looked like he had been crying. I will admit I hate when coaches are screaming. But Penny needed to yell at these guys last night.

If you are talking about his eyes I noticed they were really red during the game as well.

Well, they recently made marijuana legal in Oklahoma...

(01-23-2020 02:26 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 01:57 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 09:10 AM)criticallyill Wrote:  After the game with the press conference, Penny looked like he had been crying. I will admit I hate when coaches are screaming. But Penny needed to yell at these guys last night.

If you are talking about his eyes I noticed they were really red during the game as well.

Well, they recently made marijuana legal in Oklahoma...

(01-23-2020 02:26 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 01:57 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 09:10 AM)criticallyill Wrote:  After the game with the press conference, Penny looked like he had been crying. I will admit I hate when coaches are screaming. But Penny needed to yell at these guys last night.

If you are talking about his eyes I noticed they were really red during the game as well.

Well, they recently made marijuana legal in Oklahoma...

Probably needed some for that game.

(01-23-2020 07:55 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  First off...despite the team's performance last night I still think Penny is a good coach and knows what he is doing and I love watching them play (excluding last night, that was painful). But when things start going south or when we make really stupid plays (which this team does a LOT), it is beyond frustrating to see Penny over there staring at the team with zero emotion. He's not angry, he's not getting on the player(s) he's not yelling out corrections...just staring staring straight ahead. In all the college basketball I have watched this year I have not seen another coach show so little emotion. It would seem these kids, on occasion, NEED a fire lit under them or NEED to be yelled at when they make totally unforced errors. It's an emotional game and when the players are flat they need their leader to show some fire to get them going.

Let me clue you in on something that is obvious to anyone outside our little bubble. A well coached team with the overall #1 recruiting class in the nation does not lose by 40 points to ANY team. I've been involved in basketball on many levels since the early 80s and I know a poorly coached team when I see it. THIS is a poorly coached team. What more evidence do you need? You need another two or three years of mediocre, poorly played seasons? Go to Georgia Tech. This is Memphis. We should only have the best.

(01-23-2020 09:34 AM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  If we are dependent on an assistant coach to be the "bad cop" or help with "x & o", then we are in a whole world of trouble and this is going to end very badly.

Said no one ever that has been a part of a successful basketball team.

LMAO.

(01-23-2020 12:35 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Penny can't be blamed for Memphis shooting 11 FTs and Tulsa shooting 25. Players can't drive the lane this year without a charge being called. Tigers were called for nearly twice as many fouls. It's always been that way AT TULSA. That has a way of taking the heart and soul out of the players. Rebounds were even, so I don't think they didn't play hard. 2 for 21 from 3 didn't help. Penny is not out there shooting. Tigers have been digging themselves a hole early in most games this year. They simply have to make better, less telegraphed, passes and quit trying to make dazzling ones. I'm just sorry they don't get Tulsa at home. I hope they get a run at them in the AAC tourney.

We are 295th in personal fouls per game. Who else would you blame except for the coaching staff?

Bad losses happen

Play awful with SMU and erp

Not likely

(01-23-2020 04:29 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Bad losses happen

Play awful with SMU and erp

Not likely

Yep. 4 of the next 5 at home. Time to go on a run. Gonna learn a lot on how this team and staff responds.

(01-23-2020 04:29 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Bad losses happen

Play awful with SMU and erp

Not likely

Last night has been brewing for some time now. Especially on the road where this team hasn't played well at all this season in true road games.

This team hasn't played well the last few weeks. If last night was one time thing then I think the majority of fans would just chalk it up as a bad night at the office.

I'm hoping that last night was a wake up call for Penny all the way down to Isaiah Maurice. Conventional wisdom says it will be, but like you mentioned Saturday will tell a lot.

(01-23-2020 04:46 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 04:29 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Bad losses happen

Play awful with SMU and erp

Not likely

Last night has been brewing for some time now. Especially on the road where this team hasn't played well at all this season in true road games.

This team hasn't played well the last few weeks. If last night was one time thing then I think the majority of fans would just chalk it up as a bad night at the office.

I'm hoping that last night was a wake up call for Penny all the way down to Isaiah Maurice. Conventional wisdom says it will be, but like you mentioned Saturday will tell a lot.

True and I hope so.

(01-23-2020 04:46 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 04:29 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Bad losses happen

Play awful with SMU and erp

Not likely

Last night has been brewing for some time now. Especially on the road where this team hasn't played well at all this season in true road games.

This team hasn't played well the last few weeks. If last night was one time thing then I think the majority of fans would just chalk it up as a bad night at the office.

I'm hoping that last night was a wake up call for Penny all the way down to Isaiah Maurice. Conventional wisdom says it will be, but like you mentioned Saturday will tell a lot.

ITA. Several games where we came back from big deficits......eventually it bites you in the butt. I will be interested to see if they have a fire lit under their butts this Saturday or they just plain give up. Saturday will tell me if they want this or not.

It amazes me that people expect someone to be what they aren't. In his prime I guess his fans wanted Kevin O'Neil to be like John Wooten in his demeanor. CJP is who he is, a calm and thinking man, I didn't like last night but I'm still happy with coach. Its a shame because I remember with Pastner, every game became an indictment on whether or not he could coach. CJP has been our coach for 2 years and some of you seem to already want him gone or to change or whatever. Last night sucked bigtime, let the season play out and then evaluate.

(01-23-2020 05:50 PM)truest blue tiger Wrote:  It amazes me that people expect someone to be what they aren't. In his prime I guess his fans wanted Kevin O'Neil to be like John Wooten in his demeanor. CJP is who he is, a calm and thinking man, I didn't like last night but I'm still happy with coach. Its a shame because I remember with Pastner, every game became an indictment on whether or not he could coach. CJP has been our coach for 2 years and some of you seem to already want him gone or to change or whatever. Last night sucked bigtime, let the season play out and then evaluate.

CJP

Coach
Josh
Pastner


Not sure I could make that into Penny Hardaway

No amount of bad coping would’ve mad a difference last night. A 7’1” zone buster that quit the team would have though.

(01-23-2020 01:50 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 01:06 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  We shot something like 25% from the field. That's on the players. They can't make shots. I would like to see more set plays, and there were some, but the ball just wouldn't drop. Man it was ugly.

We shot 25% because we were not getting good shots. The purpose for running an actual offense is to help create quality looks which are directly related to higher shooting percentages. So, while Penny was not out there shooting for them he certainly should have had an offense installed to create open shots and I did not see that being run or executed...

Absoultely this! And the players have to know which shots are good shots and which shots to look for from particular sets. They should always have multiple passing options and often we don't seem to.

(01-23-2020 02:12 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 01:57 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 01:09 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 01:06 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  We shot something like 25% from the field. That's on the players. They can't make shots. I would like to see more set plays, and there were some, but the ball just wouldn't drop. Man it was ugly.

They weren't prepared. That's coaching.

I just wonder what percentage of practices are spent on fundamentals, i.e., shooting, free throw shooting, passing, catching the ball etc.? I think some of these young players practiced dunks and dribbling more in high school that fundamentals. Can't assume they learned proper technique in H.S. Don't know that but just a theory. It may depend on the players spending some extra time in the gym away from practice. It's my understanding that Boogie does that, but is he doing it when he's tired to replicate a real game condition and with someone in his face? I know Calipari had his teams to shoot fts at the end of practices when they were tired. It's like I stated before the season started when everyone was going bonkers about these highly recruited players what these guys could do in H.S. is totally different playing against D-1 "seasoned" players. It's hard to know until they do it. I'd bet the ones who return next year will be improved.

Most college coaches (of any sport) assign homework. Shoot x FTs per day, Run x distance per day, etc. Teams have practices together. But players have individual work-outs they're expected to work around their class schedule. It's more effecient and individual growth driven. Players hold each other accountable because my team is best if my teammates are their best selves.

Edit: 2 players I know: Player 1 was a state champion tennis player who decided not to play in college (acad scholly goes on to be MD). Player 2 wass an average/good HS player that went on to play at small college (Rhodes). He hit tons of balls daily as dictated by his coach. The 2 met years after playing (neither was practiced). Player 2 beat the **** outta Player 1 like Pete Sampres would beat an amateur. Really very impressive. That also helps to understand how a lesser recruited senior becomes so valuable. On top of that, a senior is 22, not 18.

Our leadership is strong. We'll be ok.

Thanks for the information GusRob. Love the username. It reminds of one of my favorite TV shows from the 50's. My Friend Flicka. The Ranch owner was Rob and his foreman's name was Gus. Had lunch with Gene Evans about 3 years before he died who played Rob in that series about a young boy and a horse. Gene was in The War Wagon with John Wayne and hundreds of other movies and TV shows. Just wondered about the shooting. I remember Jeremy Hunt saying he would shoot from 500-700 jump shots a day between his jr and sr. years and it was his reason for his 3pt shooting went up so much. He was a great Tiger.

(01-23-2020 10:04 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I saw Penny get on someone last night, once, the entire game. One stinking time. He doesn't need to yell, jump up and down and act like an idiot but something approaching that occasionally couldn't hurt in games like last night. Just show some emotion and yank someone for boneheaded play rather than for a weird substitution. You cannot be their friend on the court or in practice, you just can't. You have to be that guy who they look to for discipline and for being held accountable when things are going bad. We can't do any worse than we did last night for it. I suspect there's something internal going on that affected us last night.

As a long time field manager at AT&T with upwards of 20 direct reports I had a few guys who reported to me with whom I developed long lasting relationships and true friendships but it never showed up in the work place. I held them just as accountable as any of my crew. While some of the crew may not have liked me they damn sure knew where they stood, that I had their backs, but that I'd stick a foot in their ass when they messed up and reward them when they did well. I wasn't afraid to let loose in crew meetings or on conference calls on any one of them and especially on anyone who tried to take advantage of a personal relationship.

Love your guys Penny but you just cannot be their friend on the court or in practice. And for the love of all that's holy please stop the insane rotations that include 3 of the worst players we've seen in years getting significant minutes.

I watched Penny rip into Boogie and Precious on the same play