(12-25-2019 05:39 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The entirety of the NCAA. Really. I think it's truly beyond redemption. Without March Madness money several entire conferences would vanish from Division 1. Let's just call a spade a spade: some conferences use March Madness money and MBB pay games as welfare and don't belong in any way in Division 1. The Southland immediately comes to mind. The Atlantic Sun is right there too.

Title IX as written works like a gender tax that encourages sexual harassment kangaroo courts on campuses. And it does nothing to protect cheerleaders which have the highest serious injury rates of any college athletic endeavor, so spare me any third wave feminist rebuttal.

We're way past the point that for the taxpayer and pretty much everybody except maybe a dozen to fifteen factories that caps make sense. Facility caps. Coaching staff size caps. Coaching compensation caps. To make it taste better for everybody structure the cap to be a soft cap luxury tax like MLB. Bama can still spend spend spend all they want then to create newer more amazing barely used laser tag pavilions.

The geographic cohesiveness of nearly every major conference has been broken. The Pac-12 still makes sense but is vast. The MAC still has the best layout bar none. Annnnnddddd everybody else has some ugly on them. Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Rutgers, Nebraska, Missouri, West Virginia. C-USA and the Sun Belt practically need to do trades straight up to get things more reasonable.

Several major rivalry games just don't happen that much or at all. I can probably easily come up with a dozen just out of the SEC/ACC/Big12.

Well said. Although the Southland and Atlantic Sun aren't at the bottom of the list of conferences that don't belong in Division I.

And part of the gap in football is that a dozen schools have moved up in the last 10 years and 25 since 1994. A lot of those should be good FCS programs.

(12-26-2019 08:14 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 09:51 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I kind of like tradition and the bowls are part of college football tradition. So I’m still in favor of the Rose bowl being a BigTen vs PAC game.

I would not be opposed to a bowl game that had a SBC champ vs ACC #3

Totally agree. I make no apologies to being a traditionalist. IMO the playoff is a money making scheme concocted by ESPN using the logic the pros crown a champion with a playoff and so should the colleges. I disagree. The bowls make college football uniquely different.

I agree. We already have an NFL. College football has maintained its appeal because it is different than the NFL. We don't need another NFL, especially one that would be a minor league NFL.

The bowls and conferences and what many consider a 'mess' are in fact what make college football great.

(12-19-2019 02:13 PM)YNot Wrote:  Problem #1
- Too few quality cross-conference regular season matchups and too many exhibition-level payday home games. (I believe there is a correlation)

Solution:
- Allow one FCS *exhibition* game - as an additional game - that does not count toward win-loss record, statistics, or bowl-eligibility.
- Automatic playoff qualification for certain conference champions (see more below in response to Problem #2).

This would open up an additional regular-season game spot for most teams...which would force more inter-conference play. The automatic qualifiers would help protect teams that take an out-of-conference risk...so more out-of-conference matchups based on the attractiveness of the matchup for fans and television, rather than padding win-loss records and stats.

Problem #2
- Beauty-contest judging panel selects the playoff participants.

Solution:
- 5-1-2 playoff system with automatic qualifiers, using the NY6 bowls for the quarterfinals, with historic bowl affiliations - PAC v. B1G in Rose, SEC in Sugar, ACC in Orange, etc.
- Use *Polls* (not selection committee) for seeding and to select the 2 at large wild cards and G5 rep.

The 5-1-2 playoff is the only thing that will save it, for now. The ultimate solution is the 10 + 6 model. 10 conference champs + the six best of the rest.

At the moment, there are 130 FBS schools. 16/130 equals is top 12.3 percent performing teams participating in the National Championship Playoff.

1st round 16 teams = 8 bowl games
2nd round 8 teams = 4 bowl games (Quarterfinals)
3rd round 4 teams = 2 bowl games (Semifinals)
4th round 2 teams = National Championship games

That is 15 bowl games that everybody is watching.

The NCAA accepts bids from bowls to host these games. Let's say $500 million for 2024/2025. The ten conferences earn $50 million per year a piece to distribute among its members.

Example:

ACC/SEC - 14 teams = $50/14 = $3.571 million per team
AAC - 12 teams - $50/12 = $4.1677 per team


If a Notre Dame or Independent makes the playoff, then they would receive $2.5 to $3 million.

Also, $5 million could be guaranteed to both of the Championship teams. Which would lower the payout to conferences.

$500 = $10 million to Championship game teams + $490 million to be spread among the conferences.

(12-26-2019 11:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I agree. We already have an NFL. College football has maintained its appeal because it is different than the NFL. We don't need another NFL, especially one that would be a minor league NFL.

Totally, 100% agree.

(12-26-2019 11:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The bowls and conferences as they once were are in fact what made college football great.

FIFY. What we have now is messed up when traditional rivals can't even play each other any more (e.g. Texas/Texas A&M, Oklahoma/Nebraska, Pitt/Penn State, WVU/everyone, Miami/Florida, Clemson/Georgia, Ga Tech/Auburn, etc., etc., etc.) because bloated conferences want to play a 9-game schedule.

(12-26-2019 02:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 11:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I agree. We already have an NFL. College football has maintained its appeal because it is different than the NFL. We don't need another NFL, especially one that would be a minor league NFL.

Totally, 100% agree.

(12-26-2019 11:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The bowls and conferences as they once were are in fact what made college football great.

FIFY. What we have now is messed up when traditional rivals can't even play each other any more (e.g. Texas/Texas A&M, Oklahoma/Nebraska, Pitt/Penn State, WVU/everyone, Miami/Florida, Clemson/Georgia, Ga Tech/Auburn, etc., etc., etc.) because bloated conferences want to play a 9-game schedule.

And whose to blame? I told you 8 years ago with my first post on this board that realignment was a hostile takeover of a sleepy disorganized product with a huge upside and that restructuring in the form of product placement would occur.

Well here we are. Polls are relatively unimportant because the CFP committee rankings are all that matter. Bowls not involved in the CFP are not deemed worthy enough by players. ESPN bought all of the bowls so that it wouldn't matter and their CFP would be the ultimate of the post season. And conferences have accepted it all for cash. The cash is the hostile takeover. Everything else has happened because of the cash and each surrender of old tradition has been bought and paid for. UGa and OU truly opened Pandora's box with their lawsuit and the ripples of change from that case will reach college basketball shortly.

So you can bellyache and gripe and moan about the Big 10 and SEC but it's not the schools or conferences that have wrought this. A greedy self serving NCAA who refused for decades to amend or change their restrictive governance set this fiasco up so blame them. And then blame the corporations who saw an undervalued, underdeveloped product and scooped it up and are now changing it to suit their purposes and not ours. Then blame lousy Federal Government who so strapped small business and so overspent the public till that Federal Grant and State Grant money was drying up creating the need for new revenue which sports provided.

None of this has been colleges and universities tossing aside tradition! It's been college and universities find a new revenue stream from a hostile source at a time when cash was tightening.

Now toss in a shrinkage in birthrate among the middle class (who can't afford more children) and you can add the coming drying up of smaller colleges and universities which won't survive the demographic and economic shift.

There's your story. All of the rest is mis-assigned blame.

The playoffs are clearly not being televised properly to maximize tv viewing.

Quote:The awkward schedule revives the annual question: Are college football leaders maximizing their best product?

Between the semifinal games on Saturday and the championship game on Jan. 13, there will be nearly 20 other college bowl games, a full Sunday of NFL games and eight NFL playoff games over the next two weekends. The hardcore college football markets like Birmingham and Columbus – places that treat the Camelia Bowl like the Super Bowl – will surely be tuning in. But the absence of the most meaningful semifinal games on New Year’s Day combined with the unusually long layoff is bound to create confusion and distraction for casual fans.

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-is-the-coll...09319.html

From Day 1 I have said the semifinals and CG needs to be separating from these meaningless bowl games and direct competition with the NFL.

(12-26-2019 02:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 11:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I agree. We already have an NFL. College football has maintained its appeal because it is different than the NFL. We don't need another NFL, especially one that would be a minor league NFL.

Totally, 100% agree.

(12-26-2019 11:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The bowls and conferences as they once were are in fact what made college football great.

FIFY. What we have now is messed up when traditional rivals can't even play each other any more (e.g. Texas/Texas A&M, Oklahoma/Nebraska, Pitt/Penn State, WVU/everyone, Miami/Florida, Clemson/Georgia, Ga Tech/Auburn, etc., etc., etc.) because bloated conferences want to play a 9-game schedule.

Yes, I mean, why don't people suggest that we do away with the NCAA tournament, and instead decide the hoops title by having the P5 champs and a couple at-large teams playing best-of-7 series against each other to duplicate the NBA playoffs?

(12-19-2019 09:51 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I kind of like tradition and the bowls are part of college football tradition. So I’m still in favor of the Rose bowl being a BigTen vs PAC game.

I would not be opposed to a bowl game that had a SBC champ vs ACC #3

But every network and sponsor would be opposed. And 99% of fans too.

(12-27-2019 08:07 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  The playoffs are clearly not being televised properly to maximize tv viewing.

Quote:The awkward schedule revives the annual question: Are college football leaders maximizing their best product?

Between the semifinal games on Saturday and the championship game on Jan. 13, there will be nearly 20 other college bowl games, a full Sunday of NFL games and eight NFL playoff games over the next two weekends. The hardcore college football markets like Birmingham and Columbus – places that treat the Camelia Bowl like the Super Bowl – will surely be tuning in. But the absence of the most meaningful semifinal games on New Year’s Day combined with the unusually long layoff is bound to create confusion and distraction for casual fans.

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-is-the-coll...09319.html

From Day 1 I have said the semifinals and CG needs to be separating from these meaningless bowl games and direct competition with the NFL.

The thing is that college football may very well get lucky if/when the NFL extends its season and pushes it playoffs into February. I keep pointing this out because a lot of people aren’t connecting CFP expansion to the potentially revised NFL schedule, but the reality is that they are directly connected. The potential of college football being able to have playoff games from New Year’s Day through multiple January weekends without any NFL playoff conflicts is huge and all of the TV networks would be all over it. An 8-team CFP is *MUCH* more valuable in January compared to December and it becomes a no-brainer if there isn’t any NFL playoff competition. If the NFL institutes the expanded schedule within the next couple of years, then that lines up nicely for when the next CFP TV contract gets negotiated, too.

Broken? No.

It can definitely be improved though.

OT gotta go, coaches start playing for OT in 3rd quarter
Kids are getting hurt, it erks me when team A kicks XP to into OT
3OT team A has to go for 2