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It's still too early to assess Brannen...he had 10 minutes to put a roster together.

That said, this team...as it is now...is too slow on the floor and has too few scoring options. They just don't have the horses....yet.

UT beats them by 20 easily.

(12-14-2019 09:46 PM)eroc Wrote:  Was listening to an NBA podcast this morning and they were talking about the CLE situation with Beilein vs. his vets. The indication was that he was focusing on "his guys" while some of the vets feel disrespected for one reason or another by Beilein. Watching the Bearcats and Brannen reminds me of that type of dysfunction. i don't have any inside information about Jarron or his level of buy-in but by and large this is a collection of strangers trying to figure a lot of stuff out, whether that means breaking old habits and/or getting new ones. That said, Brannen is going to get at least three years barring any violations of code of conduct or terms of contract. i'm not saying don't be mad. By all means do you but realistically Brannen is going to be given every opportunity to fail even more miserably. But i'll judge him on when he has his ppl in place. Not Mick's even if Mick's lot includes a CPOY.

As an aside, on one level i truly feel for Jarron. Suffering an injury and having to adjust your style of play completely in your final year of eligibility has got to be jarring. Yes, he's a senior but university campuses tend to be insulated from the real world and i imagine athletes tend to be treated with more privileges than most. i wouldn't be surprised if he is having all kinds of problems coping with the change.

The flip side of this is that you're the effing CPOY and face of the team. Injury aside, you have to be a leader because you have more credibility than most. This season can cement your legacy as a Bearcat great and bridge to eras in Bearcat basketball history. There's still time. Hopefully he pulls it together by the conference tourney as it's not looking like we are going to get an at-large selection.

Huge difference is this:

1. We are in a win now era.
2. The program wasn’t gutted like it was when Mick took over.
3. AD that hired John is already gone.

You just don’t give coaches time to build programs when player movement is what it is. You can go from bad to good with right coach in one year. Brannen has zero credibility right now outside of his guys.

This year might be on the brink, but I think they will be good next year and beyond. I like most of the new players and the recruits coming in next year. Even if it means having a down year, I'm glad Cronin is gone. Aside from ugly basketball games, all of the mean mugging and freaking out on the players was difficult for me to watch. I flipped on the UCLA game and he was yelling at some kid and looked like he was about to stroke out. I had to turn it off.

Brannen had consistently good teams at NKU. He didn't forget how to motivate guys and coach basketball over the summer.

(12-14-2019 09:54 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 09:46 PM)eroc Wrote:  Was listening to an NBA podcast this morning and they were talking about the CLE situation with Beilein vs. his vets. The indication was that he was focusing on "his guys" while some of the vets feel disrespected for one reason or another by Beilein. Watching the Bearcats and Brannen reminds me of that type of dysfunction. i don't have any inside information about Jarron or his level of buy-in but by and large this is a collection of strangers trying to figure a lot of stuff out, whether that means breaking old habits and/or getting new ones. That said, Brannen is going to get at least three years barring any violations of code of conduct or terms of contract. i'm not saying don't be mad. By all means do you but realistically Brannen is going to be given every opportunity to fail even more miserably. But i'll judge him on when he has his ppl in place. Not Mick's even if Mick's lot includes a CPOY.

As an aside, on one level i truly feel for Jarron. Suffering an injury and having to adjust your style of play completely in your final year of eligibility has got to be jarring. Yes, he's a senior but university campuses tend to be insulated from the real world and i imagine athletes tend to be treated with more privileges than most. i wouldn't be surprised if he is having all kinds of problems coping with the change.

The flip side of this is that you're the effing CPOY and face of the team. Injury aside, you have to be a leader because you have more credibility than most. This season can cement your legacy as a Bearcat great and bridge to eras in Bearcat basketball history. There's still time. Hopefully he pulls it together by the conference tourney as it's not looking like we are going to get an at-large selection.

Huge difference is this:

1. We are in a win now era.
2. The program wasn’t gutted like it was when Mick took over.
3. AD that hired John is already gone.

You just don’t give coaches time to build programs when player movement is what it is. You can go from bad to good with right coach in one year. Brannen has zero credibility right now outside of his guys.

You can also go from good to bad with the wrong coach in one year too.

This was a team that was being touted as a top 15 preseason squad before Mick left. Mick must have been Sauron and him leaving was akin to throwing the one ring to rule them all into Mt. Doom because things are falling down around Brannen’s ears in a hurry right now.

(12-14-2019 09:54 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 09:46 PM)eroc Wrote:  Was listening to an NBA podcast this morning and they were talking about the CLE situation with Beilein vs. his vets. The indication was that he was focusing on "his guys" while some of the vets feel disrespected for one reason or another by Beilein. Watching the Bearcats and Brannen reminds me of that type of dysfunction. i don't have any inside information about Jarron or his level of buy-in but by and large this is a collection of strangers trying to figure a lot of stuff out, whether that means breaking old habits and/or getting new ones. That said, Brannen is going to get at least three years barring any violations of code of conduct or terms of contract. i'm not saying don't be mad. By all means do you but realistically Brannen is going to be given every opportunity to fail even more miserably. But i'll judge him on when he has his ppl in place. Not Mick's even if Mick's lot includes a CPOY.

As an aside, on one level i truly feel for Jarron. Suffering an injury and having to adjust your style of play completely in your final year of eligibility has got to be jarring. Yes, he's a senior but university campuses tend to be insulated from the real world and i imagine athletes tend to be treated with more privileges than most. i wouldn't be surprised if he is having all kinds of problems coping with the change.

The flip side of this is that you're the effing CPOY and face of the team. Injury aside, you have to be a leader because you have more credibility than most. This season can cement your legacy as a Bearcat great and bridge to eras in Bearcat basketball history. There's still time. Hopefully he pulls it together by the conference tourney as it's not looking like we are going to get an at-large selection.

Huge difference is this:

1. We are in a win now era.
2. The program wasn’t gutted like it was when Mick took over.
3. AD that hired John is already gone.

You just don’t give coaches time to build programs when player movement is what it is. You can go from bad to good with right coach in one year. Brannen has zero credibility right now outside of his guys.

So you're saying that this should be like instant Oatmeal?

Not unless you are cheating....

(12-14-2019 10:00 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 09:54 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 09:46 PM)eroc Wrote:  Was listening to an NBA podcast this morning and they were talking about the CLE situation with Beilein vs. his vets. The indication was that he was focusing on "his guys" while some of the vets feel disrespected for one reason or another by Beilein. Watching the Bearcats and Brannen reminds me of that type of dysfunction. i don't have any inside information about Jarron or his level of buy-in but by and large this is a collection of strangers trying to figure a lot of stuff out, whether that means breaking old habits and/or getting new ones. That said, Brannen is going to get at least three years barring any violations of code of conduct or terms of contract. i'm not saying don't be mad. By all means do you but realistically Brannen is going to be given every opportunity to fail even more miserably. But i'll judge him on when he has his ppl in place. Not Mick's even if Mick's lot includes a CPOY.

As an aside, on one level i truly feel for Jarron. Suffering an injury and having to adjust your style of play completely in your final year of eligibility has got to be jarring. Yes, he's a senior but university campuses tend to be insulated from the real world and i imagine athletes tend to be treated with more privileges than most. i wouldn't be surprised if he is having all kinds of problems coping with the change.

The flip side of this is that you're the effing CPOY and face of the team. Injury aside, you have to be a leader because you have more credibility than most. This season can cement your legacy as a Bearcat great and bridge to eras in Bearcat basketball history. There's still time. Hopefully he pulls it together by the conference tourney as it's not looking like we are going to get an at-large selection.

Huge difference is this:

1. We are in a win now era.
2. The program wasn’t gutted like it was when Mick took over.
3. AD that hired John is already gone.

You just don’t give coaches time to build programs when player movement is what it is. You can go from bad to good with right coach in one year. Brannen has zero credibility right now outside of his guys.

So you're saying that this should be like instant Oatmeal?

Not unless you are cheating....

You don’t have to cheat you just have to hire a real high major coach.

One thing that bothers me about Brannen is lack of energy. I don't think you need to be a lunatic, but sometimes feel like he is too laid back and the team is taking on that persona. Not enough urgency or killer instinct.

Who do you think Brannen is talking about here?

Did I really just spend $60 and a few hours of my time to watch UC lose to Colgate? Wow.

No offense, no defense, and not very good coaching.

The players look confused on offense and defense. I don't think the coaching staff knows what they want to accomplish either.

It's a total mess right now.

No more making fun of ECU - UC will be lucky to beat them.

This is not over-reacting either. I saw this debacle in person. UC is not very good.

Brannen was an easy, no waves, hire by a school that didn’t want to spend much money on a coach or take a PR chance on a guy like Pitino. You get what you pay for generally, and that’s holding true for us unfortunately.

I haven’t seen a single thing that indicates hes the right guy for this job. This team is a complete mess and they do nothing well. Bad part is, we are probably stuck with him for 2 more years.

Thing that has been a glaring weakness besides turnovers is our crunch time defense. We can’t stop dribble drives at the end of games. And we’re never there for the rebound on a miss. The defense got real bad in a hurry this season.

Pulls the Penny Hardaway arms crossed watching the game like a spectator too often in key situations. Sounds like he is hungover in interviews. Better figure it out ASAP or he’ll see just how short a fuse UC fans collectively have for mediocrity. Tonight was unacceptable.

(12-14-2019 09:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This was a team that was being touted as a top 15 preseason squad before Mick left. Mick must have been Sauron and him leaving was akin to throwing the one ring to rule them all into Mt. Doom because things are falling down around Brannen’s ears in a hurry right now.

Weren’t you the one who questioned the roster heading into the season?

I witnessed first hand Sauron coach against Iowa last year
and the Nevada debacle up 24 with a cakewalk into the Final 4

UCLA fans would gladly give you him back

(12-14-2019 10:08 PM)crex043 Wrote:  Who do you think Brannen is talking about here?

Personally, I am tired of seeing this not so thinly veiled stuff about Cumberland from him. If he’s hurt, sit him. If Jarron doesn’t like that, tough $hit. You’re the head coach, he isn’t.

If there are other issues, work them out in private, not in the media. If they can’t be worked out then Cumberland can either get on board or dismiss him from the team if he’s turned into a total cancer. You’re a head coach, freaking act like one.

(12-14-2019 10:15 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 09:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This was a team that was being touted as a top 15 preseason squad before Mick left. Mick must have been Sauron and him leaving was akin to throwing the one ring to rule them all into Mt. Doom because things are falling down around Brannen’s ears in a hurry right now.

Weren’t you the one who questioned the roster heading into the season?

I witnessed first hand Sauron coach against Iowa last year
and the Nevada debacle up 24 with a cakewalk into the Final 4

UCLA fans would gladly give you him back

I am all in on Brannen sucking so far, however I am also not praising the angry Leprechaun. That guy sucked too. We gave Mick 5 years, what choice do we have other than to give Brannen at least 2 or 3. Unless someone like Pitino is behind the curtain, it would be a waste if time.

(12-14-2019 10:11 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  Brannen was an easy, no waves, hire by a school that didn’t want to spend much money on a coach or take a PR chance on a guy like Pitino. You get what you pay for generally, and that’s holding true for us unfortunately.

I haven’t seen a single thing that indicates hes the right guy for this job. This team is a complete mess and they do nothing well. Bad part is, we are probably stuck with him for 2 more years.

He may succeed here. Or not. Right now everyone should be more than just a bit worried, though.

(12-14-2019 10:01 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 10:00 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 09:54 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 09:46 PM)eroc Wrote:  Was listening to an NBA podcast this morning and they were talking about the CLE situation with Beilein vs. his vets. The indication was that he was focusing on "his guys" while some of the vets feel disrespected for one reason or another by Beilein. Watching the Bearcats and Brannen reminds me of that type of dysfunction. i don't have any inside information about Jarron or his level of buy-in but by and large this is a collection of strangers trying to figure a lot of stuff out, whether that means breaking old habits and/or getting new ones. That said, Brannen is going to get at least three years barring any violations of code of conduct or terms of contract. i'm not saying don't be mad. By all means do you but realistically Brannen is going to be given every opportunity to fail even more miserably. But i'll judge him on when he has his ppl in place. Not Mick's even if Mick's lot includes a CPOY.

As an aside, on one level i truly feel for Jarron. Suffering an injury and having to adjust your style of play completely in your final year of eligibility has got to be jarring. Yes, he's a senior but university campuses tend to be insulated from the real world and i imagine athletes tend to be treated with more privileges than most. i wouldn't be surprised if he is having all kinds of problems coping with the change.

The flip side of this is that you're the effing CPOY and face of the team. Injury aside, you have to be a leader because you have more credibility than most. This season can cement your legacy as a Bearcat great and bridge to eras in Bearcat basketball history. There's still time. Hopefully he pulls it together by the conference tourney as it's not looking like we are going to get an at-large selection.

Huge difference is this:

1. We are in a win now era.
2. The program wasn’t gutted like it was when Mick took over.
3. AD that hired John is already gone.

You just don’t give coaches time to build programs when player movement is what it is. You can go from bad to good with right coach in one year. Brannen has zero credibility right now outside of his guys.

So you're saying that this should be like instant Oatmeal?

Not unless you are cheating....

You don’t have to cheat you just have to hire a real high major coach.

Sorry...no....you have to have material to work with. You could have Wooden out there coaching this bunch and have basically the same record.

(12-14-2019 09:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This was a team that was being touted as a top 15 preseason squad before Mick left. Mick must have been Sauron and him leaving was akin to throwing the one ring to rule them all into Mt. Doom because things are falling down around Brannen’s ears in a hurry right now.

Uh...have you checked Sauron's record lately? He lost handily again tonight....

(12-14-2019 10:20 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 10:15 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 09:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This was a team that was being touted as a top 15 preseason squad before Mick left. Mick must have been Sauron and him leaving was akin to throwing the one ring to rule them all into Mt. Doom because things are falling down around Brannen’s ears in a hurry right now.

Weren’t you the one who questioned the roster heading into the season?

I witnessed first hand Sauron coach against Iowa last year
and the Nevada debacle up 24 with a cakewalk into the Final 4

UCLA fans would gladly give you him back

I am all in on Brannen sucking so far, however I am also not praising the angry Leprechaun. That guy sucked too. We gave Mick 5 years, what choice do we have other than to give Brannen at least 2 or 3. Unless someone like Pitino is behind the curtain, it would be a waste if time.

They both sucked at different things. At least Mick knew what the programs identity was even though he basically just achieved the equivalent of late Huggins year success which wasn’t good enough.

Basically this program died during the Nevada game. Last year it was basically on life support. The new arena isn’t all that good of an experience, it’s more comfortable but has no character at all. No banners, horrible acoustics, dead student section, way to much corporate sponsorship vs UC tradition.

We are now living out the second distruction of the program in 15 years.