FSU has hired a search firm for their fb coaching vacancy. If Norvell were a lock, why go this route? Only thing I could think of is it would allow them not to consider their current interim coach, who is a popular player's choice for the position.

I think they actually hired the search firm back in early November but just released the facts of the contract with them yesterday.

I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

If Franklin is interested it will be him, No question!!

(12-06-2019 03:54 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  FSU has hired a search firm for their fb coaching vacancy. If Norvell were a lock, why go this route? Only thing I could think of is it would allow them not to consider their current interim coach, who is a popular player's choice for the position.

From what I understand, the search firm was paid $100k, and there's a provision that if FSU fires the coach <2 years, they'll find a new one for free.

What coach would want to go to a school that uses a BOGO style search firm? And $100k seems low....




Unless, it's a formality to hire a firm to shuffle paperwork and the coach was already picked?

I don't see Norvell going to a place where he is waiting to see if the guy they really want takes the job. I don't think he is that kind of guy.

(12-06-2019 10:12 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:54 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  FSU has hired a search firm for their fb coaching vacancy. If Norvell were a lock, why go this route? Only thing I could think of is it would allow them not to consider their current interim coach, who is a popular player's choice for the position.

From what I understand, the search firm was paid $100k, and there's a provision that if FSU fires the coach <2 years, they'll find a new one for free.

What coach would want to go to a school that uses a BOGO style search firm? And $100k seems low....




Unless, it's a formality to hire a firm to shuffle paperwork and the coach was already picked?

Search firms can be used not just for the search, but for the vetting and contract negotiations for a candidate who is already being recruited by the school.

Memphis had a search firm on retainer for both the Fuente and Norvell hires, but didnt use them to find Fuente and Norvell. These firms can do things like background checks, etc, as well as be activated for a full nationwide search if need be.

Now, if FSU has activated the search fir for a nationwide search, that would be interesting news.

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

New to site, Memphis grad living in Oklahoma. IMO if Norvell was staying, he would have have told his players and then we would all know his intentions. My expectation is that it will be announced during the game tomorrow. I just wish Norvell could talk with Fred Pancoast.

(12-06-2019 10:50 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 10:12 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:54 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  FSU has hired a search firm for their fb coaching vacancy. If Norvell were a lock, why go this route? Only thing I could think of is it would allow them not to consider their current interim coach, who is a popular player's choice for the position.

From what I understand, the search firm was paid $100k, and there's a provision that if FSU fires the coach <2 years, they'll find a new one for free.

What coach would want to go to a school that uses a BOGO style search firm? And $100k seems low....




Unless, it's a formality to hire a firm to shuffle paperwork and the coach was already picked?

Search firms can be used not just for the search, but for the vetting and contract negotiations for a candidate who is already being recruited by the school.

Memphis had a search firm on retainer for both the Fuente and Norvell hires, but didnt use them to find Fuente and Norvell. These firms can do things like background checks, etc, as well as be activated for a full nationwide search if need be.

Now, if FSU has activated the search fir for a nationwide search, that would be interesting news.

We definitely used them to identify candidates when Fuente was hired. They were used as you describe when Odom and Norvell were interviewed.

(12-06-2019 11:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 10:50 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 10:12 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:54 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  FSU has hired a search firm for their fb coaching vacancy. If Norvell were a lock, why go this route? Only thing I could think of is it would allow them not to consider their current interim coach, who is a popular player's choice for the position.

From what I understand, the search firm was paid $100k, and there's a provision that if FSU fires the coach <2 years, they'll find a new one for free.

What coach would want to go to a school that uses a BOGO style search firm? And $100k seems low....




Unless, it's a formality to hire a firm to shuffle paperwork and the coach was already picked?

Search firms can be used not just for the search, but for the vetting and contract negotiations for a candidate who is already being recruited by the school.

Memphis had a search firm on retainer for both the Fuente and Norvell hires, but didnt use them to find Fuente and Norvell. These firms can do things like background checks, etc, as well as be activated for a full nationwide search if need be.

Now, if FSU has activated the search fir for a nationwide search, that would be interesting news.

We definitely used them to identify candidates when Fuente was hired. They were used as you describe when Odom and Norvell were interviewed.

So we knew about the gambling and co-eds?

(12-06-2019 11:02 AM)Gen3Tiger Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

New to site, Memphis grad living in Oklahoma. IMO if Norvell was staying, he would have have told his players and then we would all know his intentions. My expectation is that it will be announced during the game tomorrow. I just wish Norvell could talk with Fred Pancoast.

Visited him in his office after his first season at Vandy, told me, the biggest mistake he ever made was leaving Memphis State, said he had a good thing going here at Memphis, said if he had it over to do again he'd have stayed here. Seems I heard not too long ago that some coach somewhere made the comment that the grass isn't always greener somewhere else. Hmm, wonder who.

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

I aint buying it. Hernando has a contact INSIDE the AD that says its a done deal that Norvell is gone. I'm going with that.

(12-06-2019 12:08 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

I aint buying it. Hernando has a contact INSIDE the AD that says its a done deal that Norvell is gone. I'm going with that.

Then I expect the team will come out flat and we will lose tomorrow. Kiss the Cotton Bowl goodbye.

(12-06-2019 12:08 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

I aint buying it. Hernando has a contact INSIDE the AD that says its a done deal that Norvell is gone. I'm going with that.

If that were the case it would have been leaked by now. There is no way multiple people in both the FSU and Memphis athletic departments, plus boosters, coaches and family know this is a done deal yet there is not one credible source calling it done...

(12-06-2019 12:18 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 12:08 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

I aint buying it. Hernando has a contact INSIDE the AD that says its a done deal that Norvell is gone. I'm going with that.

If that were the case it would have been leaked by now. There is no way multiple people in both the FSU and Memphis athletic departments, plus boosters, coaches and family know this is a done deal yet there is not one credible source calling it done...

Q: When did we find out that Norvell was even a candidate for our job?

A: The day before Norvell was hired, Rudd sent out a tweet saying that he had hired a football coach.

He wasn't on anyone's radar. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Norvell has promised FSU that he will sign the deal and there is an agreement; but on principle; he hasn't officially agreed to one until it can be announced.

(12-06-2019 12:14 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 12:08 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

I aint buying it. Hernando has a contact INSIDE the AD that says its a done deal that Norvell is gone. I'm going with that.

Then I expect the team will come out flat and we will lose tomorrow. Kiss the Cotton Bowl goodbye.

You also didn't think that the touchdown on the kickoff should have been factored into our win.

(12-06-2019 12:18 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 12:08 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

I aint buying it. Hernando has a contact INSIDE the AD that says its a done deal that Norvell is gone. I'm going with that.

If that were the case it would have been leaked by now. There is no way multiple people in both the FSU and Memphis athletic departments, plus boosters, coaches and family know this is a done deal yet there is not one credible source calling it done...

That's what puzzles me... why hasn't any definitive sources leak yet?

It is very common in the CFB coaching industry to sign an "intent to sign" first with the major points of the contract outlined and then work out the actual contract details later. This has led to some coaches being fired without an actual contract in place.

All of this is part of the early signing period (Dec 18). Coaches being fired in October/November are admins hoping to get a jump start on contract negotiations for their targets and have someone in place during the early signing period for recruiting purposes.

Norvell or no Norvell, this team will not be flat.

They are playing for our first outright conference championship and a chance to go to the Cotton Bowl.

That motivation will eclipse Norvell leaving.

(12-06-2019 12:38 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 12:18 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 12:08 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 06:55 AM)mapdude Wrote:  I had heard that Coach Franklin was the leading choice but that he was waiting to see if USC opened up. It was announced that Helton would be back so USC did not open up. I would think that if Franklin was really the #1 choice, then CMN is no longer in the picture.

We can only hope.

I aint buying it. Hernando has a contact INSIDE the AD that says its a done deal that Norvell is gone. I'm going with that.

If that were the case it would have been leaked by now. There is no way multiple people in both the FSU and Memphis athletic departments, plus boosters, coaches and family know this is a done deal yet there is not one credible source calling it done...

That's what puzzles me... why hasn't any definitive sources leak yet?

Nebraska was able to keep Frost to Nebraska as "rumor only" until OT in our game with them in the AAC championship.