(12-06-2019 08:38 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 08:29 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 12:27 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Then today he was on the GP show and he kept saying "focusing on the game".... If there were no truth to the rumors he could squash it. The fact that he isnt says a lot.

Or he could be just focusing on the game.

I personally think he is focusing on the game as an honorable man like him would....and he takes the Florida State job next week. I do hope if he does take the FSU job that we win. He will be vilified if we lose and he takes it.

No he won't be vilified for taking the FSU job but please define honorable. Not saying but just saying.

I'm pretty certain no matter what Norvell says he is focusing on his long term future, ntawwt.

Good luck whatever he decides. He has done a great job here and taken our program to new heights.

I once had a job where the company decided to sell to a much larger company. I was helping the company that was buying us out pull the data out to convert it. I was nearly positive that I wouldn't be retained. Still I did my job and did the honorable thing and finished what I started. Norvell could be like Kiffin interviewing all over when his team is playing for a conference championship but he is doing the right thing and trying to finish what he started. There is some noise about Florida State but none of it is coming from him.

Fans are funny. They want a coach to stay forever. Unless, of course, he has a bad season or two and then they want him fired.

The man will be getting a massive promotion, and going to one of the 15 or so programs where you can actually win a national championship. He will be leaving our program in even better shape than when he got here. Memphis is now probably one of the most attractive non p5 jobs in the country thanks to his efforts.

MEMPHIS > FSU Unfortunately, even the financial riches @ a “Once dominant program” such as FSU can do little to pulling this beast out of the muck that it’s encompassed in presently.... Another HUGE detriment is fans that expect to return to the glitz and glamor in the Not-so-distant future....This is what worries me about this situation and CMN....He WON’T be given a fair chance there regardless of what the perception may be....For FSU to get anywhere close to what Memphis is now would take at least 5 years....CMN is NOT an Alum;NOT a former player; NOT from that area, so there is absolutely NO loyalty to his brand from their perspective, sure CMN offers hope, HOPE can change course in the absence of humility and patience... FSU is in TOTAL rebuild mode...just try to convince the boosters and fan base of that....CMN is ALREADY being booed by them and he’s still @ Memphis

BTW! I would be so happy for CMN if he were being introduced as the new Coach @ USC.... that’s the gig for him... He should stay in the Cat-bird seat until then....JMO [/align]

(12-06-2019 09:50 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:   MEMPHIS > FSU Unfortunately, even the financial riches @ a “Once dominant program” such as FSU can do little to pulling this beast out of the muck that it’s encompassed in presently.... Another HUGE detriment is fans that expect to return to the glitz and glamor in the Not-so-distant future....This is what worries me about this situation and CMN....He WON’T be given a fair chance there regardless of what the perception may be....For FSU to get anywhere close to what Memphis is now would take at least 5 years....CMN is NOT an Alum;NOT a former player; NOT from that area, so there is absolutely NO loyalty to his brand from their perspective, sure CMN offers hope, HOPE can change course in the absence of humility and patience... FSU is in TOTAL rebuild mode...just try to convince the boosters and fan base of that....CMN is ALREADY being booed by them and he’s still @ Memphis

BTW! I would be so happy for CMN if he were being introduced as the new Coach @ USC.... that’s the gig for him... He should stay in the Cat-bird seat until then....JMO [/align]

Silliness.

Taggart was just a crap hire.

From 2010-2016 (just ending three years ago) FSU averaged 11+ wins a year, won an NC, and finished top 10 three other times.

Their poor last couple of years was a "coach" thing, not a "program" thing.

(12-06-2019 10:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 09:50 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:   MEMPHIS > FSU Unfortunately, even the financial riches @ a “Once dominant program” such as FSU can do little to pulling this beast out of the muck that it’s encompassed in presently.... Another HUGE detriment is fans that expect to return to the glitz and glamor in the Not-so-distant future....This is what worries me about this situation and CMN....He WON’T be given a fair chance there regardless of what the perception may be....For FSU to get anywhere close to what Memphis is now would take at least 5 years....CMN is NOT an Alum;NOT a former player; NOT from that area, so there is absolutely NO loyalty to his brand from their perspective, sure CMN offers hope, HOPE can change course in the absence of humility and patience... FSU is in TOTAL rebuild mode...just try to convince the boosters and fan base of that....CMN is ALREADY being booed by them and he’s still @ Memphis

BTW! I would be so happy for CMN if he were being introduced as the new Coach @ USC.... that’s the gig for him... He should stay in the Cat-bird seat until then....JMO [/align]

Silliness.

Taggart was just a crap hire.

From 2010-2016 (just ending three years ago) FSU averaged 11+ wins a year, won an NC, and finished top 10 three other times.

Their poor last couple of years was a "coach" thing, not a "program" thing.

Understand and respectfully disagree as I must admit to seriously watching FSU games during that timeframe, as I really liked FSU’s game day presentation/enthusiasm and also watched a couple players that I coached against suit up for FSU, including Jalen Ramsey, but became discussed with all the scandalous reports out of Tallahassee as what was going on there tainted the successes as it was putrid and riddled with disgust (see Jameis Winston).... I don’t think that’s CMN type of scene and that university is rampant with disgust.... too much to battle down there with drugs and unlimited resources to pay top recruits ....the asylum has its own set of rules that CMN won’t be able to overcome IMHO.... Its going to take someone with stature like a Trump card to over-throw the “shadow government”

Norvell might not want to go to the second rated school in a state again.

(12-06-2019 10:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 09:50 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:   MEMPHIS > FSU Unfortunately, even the financial riches @ a “Once dominant program” such as FSU can do little to pulling this beast out of the muck that it’s encompassed in presently.... Another HUGE detriment is fans that expect to return to the glitz and glamor in the Not-so-distant future....This is what worries me about this situation and CMN....He WON’T be given a fair chance there regardless of what the perception may be....For FSU to get anywhere close to what Memphis is now would take at least 5 years....CMN is NOT an Alum;NOT a former player; NOT from that area, so there is absolutely NO loyalty to his brand from their perspective, sure CMN offers hope, HOPE can change course in the absence of humility and patience... FSU is in TOTAL rebuild mode...just try to convince the boosters and fan base of that....CMN is ALREADY being booed by them and he’s still @ Memphis

BTW! I would be so happy for CMN if he were being introduced as the new Coach @ USC.... that’s the gig for him... He should stay in the Cat-bird seat until then....JMO [/align]

Silliness.

Taggart was just a crap hire.

From 2010-2016 (just ending three years ago) FSU averaged 11+ wins a year, won an NC, and finished top 10 three other times.

Their poor last couple of years was a "coach" thing, not a "program" thing.

This describes the ultimate symptoms of the issues with FSU. With all of that recent success, their facilities are crap, boosters arent donating, and fans are apathetic.

They want a coach to come in and fix that, when it was broken long before they started losing.

(12-06-2019 09:16 AM)mairving Wrote:  Fans are funny. They want a coach to stay forever. Unless, of course, he has a bad season or two and then they want him fired.

I just wish people honor their contracts and don't leave before the final game is played. But in these days of recruiting and money in this non-profit system, that will never happen.

(12-06-2019 10:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 09:50 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:   MEMPHIS > FSU Unfortunately, even the financial riches @ a “Once dominant program” such as FSU can do little to pulling this beast out of the muck that it’s encompassed in presently.... Another HUGE detriment is fans that expect to return to the glitz and glamor in the Not-so-distant future....This is what worries me about this situation and CMN....He WON’T be given a fair chance there regardless of what the perception may be....For FSU to get anywhere close to what Memphis is now would take at least 5 years....CMN is NOT an Alum;NOT a former player; NOT from that area, so there is absolutely NO loyalty to his brand from their perspective, sure CMN offers hope, HOPE can change course in the absence of humility and patience... FSU is in TOTAL rebuild mode...just try to convince the boosters and fan base of that....CMN is ALREADY being booed by them and he’s still @ Memphis

BTW! I would be so happy for CMN if he were being introduced as the new Coach @ USC.... that’s the gig for him... He should stay in the Cat-bird seat until then....JMO [/align]

Silliness.

Taggart was just a crap hire.

From 2010-2016 (just ending three years ago) FSU averaged 11+ wins a year, won an NC, and finished top 10 three other times.

Their poor last couple of years was a "coach" thing, not a "program" thing.

May be true re Taggart, although he was good enough to get the Oregon and Florida State head coach jobs by the time he was 41.

But I think it was a program thing, because Florida State should have never been in a position to lose Jimbo Fisher after he won a Natty there. Florida State's facilities are way behind other top programs. Jimbo complained for years about top recruits would see the football facilities at Clemson and Bama and Georgia and FSU's didn't compare. I believe their weight room was in the basement of the baseball stadium.

Money has been allocated for a football only facility, finally. It will be ready in 2 years. https://www.tampabay.com/sports/fsu-semi...x-in-2021/

Part of the issue is the fanbase that grows weary of "only" wining 10 games and finishing top 15.

Jimbo was also going through a public divorce in Tallahassee, and his 46 year old wife was banging a 36 year old former UF football player AND a 26 year old former FSU tennis player.

He was winning until that last season, and it seems he just wanted to get the hell out of there.

Nonetheless, he was averaging 11+ wins a season. Doing way better than the end of Bowden days.

Again, in most college successes, it's the coach, not the program.

Saban could bring natty's to Ole Miss within three years if he went there.

Since recruits are still receiving Memphis offers, that means Ryan Silverfield will be promoted.

(12-06-2019 11:21 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 10:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 09:50 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:   MEMPHIS > FSU Unfortunately, even the financial riches @ a “Once dominant program” such as FSU can do little to pulling this beast out of the muck that it’s encompassed in presently.... Another HUGE detriment is fans that expect to return to the glitz and glamor in the Not-so-distant future....This is what worries me about this situation and CMN....He WON’T be given a fair chance there regardless of what the perception may be....For FSU to get anywhere close to what Memphis is now would take at least 5 years....CMN is NOT an Alum;NOT a former player; NOT from that area, so there is absolutely NO loyalty to his brand from their perspective, sure CMN offers hope, HOPE can change course in the absence of humility and patience... FSU is in TOTAL rebuild mode...just try to convince the boosters and fan base of that....CMN is ALREADY being booed by them and he’s still @ Memphis

BTW! I would be so happy for CMN if he were being introduced as the new Coach @ USC.... that’s the gig for him... He should stay in the Cat-bird seat until then....JMO [/align]

Silliness.

Taggart was just a crap hire.

From 2010-2016 (just ending three years ago) FSU averaged 11+ wins a year, won an NC, and finished top 10 three other times.

Their poor last couple of years was a "coach" thing, not a "program" thing.

May be true re Taggart, although he was good enough to get the Oregon and Florida State head coach jobs by the time he was 41.

But I think it was a program thing, because Florida State should have never been in a position to lose Jimbo Fisher after he won a Natty there. Florida State's facilities are way behind other top programs. Jimbo complained for years about top recruits would see the football facilities at Clemson and Bama and Georgia and FSU's didn't compare. I believe their weight room was in the basement of the baseball stadium.

Money has been allocated for a football only facility, finally. It will be ready in 2 years. https://www.tampabay.com/sports/fsu-semi...x-in-2021/

Taggerts plan to resurrect FSU

(12-05-2019 09:36 PM)cmt Wrote:  Please don't go stand out in front of his house with signs.

(12-05-2019 10:36 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 10:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:59 PM)ddramone Wrote:  This quote makes all the sense in the world if CMN was referring to Ole Myth or the Hogs. If CMN does NOT take the FSU job, it could be a case of 'could've, should've, would've.' If you're a lead dog and you've been very successful, why wouldn't you take a job where there is a very good chance of winning it all?

CMN is 38 years old, at a minimum he'll get 3 years at FSU and make north of $15 million. Tack on his additional earnings thus far and he's going to have made close to $25 million by the time he is....43! And, if it doesn't work out, gosh, how about an OC job at a P5 school at $700k/year. Oh yeah, he probably won't have to keep hiring new coordinators every year either.

If FSU offers, CMN would most likely take the offer. He would be crazy not to.

In fact, when is the last time a G5 coach said 'no' to a P5 gig, in general? We'll never know, but I cannot imagine it being very often.

Holgerson just said no and left "p5" to go to Houston.

G5/P5- Over and over, the same programming. I guess Mullen to Florida makes Miss State G5. Franklin to Penn State. Tuberville to Auburn. The list goes on and on. Been happening forever

Might not be a good example. Wasn't he struggling at WVU?

edit: 15-10 last 2 years. Lost his last 3 bowl games.

And from Houston, or has a connection there before this coaching round. So it is a bit of an outlier.

(12-05-2019 10:36 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 10:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:59 PM)ddramone Wrote:  This quote makes all the sense in the world if CMN was referring to Ole Myth or the Hogs. If CMN does NOT take the FSU job, it could be a case of 'could've, should've, would've.' If you're a lead dog and you've been very successful, why wouldn't you take a job where there is a very good chance of winning it all?

CMN is 38 years old, at a minimum he'll get 3 years at FSU and make north of $15 million. Tack on his additional earnings thus far and he's going to have made close to $25 million by the time he is....43! And, if it doesn't work out, gosh, how about an OC job at a P5 school at $700k/year. Oh yeah, he probably won't have to keep hiring new coordinators every year either.

If FSU offers, CMN would most likely take the offer. He would be crazy not to.

In fact, when is the last time a G5 coach said 'no' to a P5 gig, in general? We'll never know, but I cannot imagine it being very often.

Holgerson just said no and left "p5" to go to Houston.

G5/P5- Over and over, the same programming. I guess Mullen to Florida makes Miss State G5. Franklin to Penn State. Tuberville to Auburn. The list goes on and on. Been happening forever

Might not be a good example. Wasn't he struggling at WVU?

edit: 15-10 last 2 years. Lost his last 3 bowl games.

So has Mike Norvell...

(12-06-2019 11:22 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 10:36 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 10:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:59 PM)ddramone Wrote:  This quote makes all the sense in the world if CMN was referring to Ole Myth or the Hogs. If CMN does NOT take the FSU job, it could be a case of 'could've, should've, would've.' If you're a lead dog and you've been very successful, why wouldn't you take a job where there is a very good chance of winning it all?

CMN is 38 years old, at a minimum he'll get 3 years at FSU and make north of $15 million. Tack on his additional earnings thus far and he's going to have made close to $25 million by the time he is....43! And, if it doesn't work out, gosh, how about an OC job at a P5 school at $700k/year. Oh yeah, he probably won't have to keep hiring new coordinators every year either.

If FSU offers, CMN would most likely take the offer. He would be crazy not to.

In fact, when is the last time a G5 coach said 'no' to a P5 gig, in general? We'll never know, but I cannot imagine it being very often.

Holgerson just said no and left "p5" to go to Houston.

G5/P5- Over and over, the same programming. I guess Mullen to Florida makes Miss State G5. Franklin to Penn State. Tuberville to Auburn. The list goes on and on. Been happening forever

Might not be a good example. Wasn't he struggling at WVU?

edit: 15-10 last 2 years. Lost his last 3 bowl games.

So has Mike Norvell...

yep

(12-06-2019 11:02 AM)yakko Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 09:16 AM)mairving Wrote:  Fans are funny. They want a coach to stay forever. Unless, of course, he has a bad season or two and then they want him fired.

I just wish people honor their contracts and don't leave before the final game is played. But in these days of recruiting and money in this non-profit system, that will never happen.

Same. I wish the NCAA would step in and fix this. Set a date after the national championship each year for coaching hires to be permitted after.

I’m going to be pissed if we win tomorrow and make it to a NY6 bowl and don’t have our coach. It sucks for the fans. It sucks for the athletes. It sucks for anyone tuning into watch the game. It benefits one person.

(12-07-2019 02:06 AM)John44932 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 11:02 AM)yakko Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 09:16 AM)mairving Wrote:  Fans are funny. They want a coach to stay forever. Unless, of course, he has a bad season or two and then they want him fired.

I just wish people honor their contracts and don't leave before the final game is played. But in these days of recruiting and money in this non-profit system, that will never happen.

Same. I wish the NCAA would step in and fix this. Set a date after the national championship each year for coaching hires to be permitted after.

I’m going to be pissed if we win tomorrow and make it to a NY6 bowl and don’t have our coach. It sucks for the fans. It sucks for the athletes. It sucks for anyone tuning into watch the game. It benefits one person.

It's overshadowed what should have been the best day in our program's history.

(12-06-2019 11:21 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 10:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 09:50 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:   MEMPHIS > FSU Unfortunately, even the financial riches @ a “Once dominant program” such as FSU can do little to pulling this beast out of the muck that it’s encompassed in presently.... Another HUGE detriment is fans that expect to return to the glitz and glamor in the Not-so-distant future....This is what worries me about this situation and CMN....He WON’T be given a fair chance there regardless of what the perception may be....For FSU to get anywhere close to what Memphis is now would take at least 5 years....CMN is NOT an Alum;NOT a former player; NOT from that area, so there is absolutely NO loyalty to his brand from their perspective, sure CMN offers hope, HOPE can change course in the absence of humility and patience... FSU is in TOTAL rebuild mode...just try to convince the boosters and fan base of that....CMN is ALREADY being booed by them and he’s still @ Memphis

BTW! I would be so happy for CMN if he were being introduced as the new Coach @ USC.... that’s the gig for him... He should stay in the Cat-bird seat until then....JMO [/align]

Silliness.

Taggart was just a crap hire.

From 2010-2016 (just ending three years ago) FSU averaged 11+ wins a year, won an NC, and finished top 10 three other times.

Their poor last couple of years was a "coach" thing, not a "program" thing.

May be true re Taggart, although he was good enough to get the Oregon and Florida State head coach jobs by the time he was 41.

But I think it was a program thing, because Florida State should have never been in a position to lose Jimbo Fisher after he won a Natty there. Florida State's facilities are way behind other top programs. Jimbo complained for years about top recruits would see the football facilities at Clemson and Bama and Georgia and FSU's didn't compare. I believe their weight room was in the basement of the baseball stadium.

Money has been allocated for a football only facility, finally. It will be ready in 2 years. https://www.tampabay.com/sports/fsu-semi...x-in-2021/

How could it be a program thing when they finished the 2016 season ranked #8, and won the national championship 6 years ago? It is obviously a coach thing.

(12-07-2019 02:06 AM)John44932 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 11:02 AM)yakko Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 09:16 AM)mairving Wrote:  Fans are funny. They want a coach to stay forever. Unless, of course, he has a bad season or two and then they want him fired.

I just wish people honor their contracts and don't leave before the final game is played. But in these days of recruiting and money in this non-profit system, that will never happen.

Same. I wish the NCAA would step in and fix this. Set a date after the national championship each year for coaching hires to be permitted after.

I’m going to be pissed if we win tomorrow and make it to a NY6 bowl and don’t have our coach. It sucks for the fans. It sucks for the athletes. It sucks for anyone tuning into watch the game. It benefits one person.

That idea is crazy. The signing period starts December 18th. You can't have a dozen coaches moving around 3 weeks after hundreds of players sign.

If he leaves it is infinitely better for everyone if he leaves right away, and the new coach starts recruiting right away instead of the second week of January.