Call me naive, but I think the key to sneaking into the playoffs is where you are ranked to begin the season. AAC teams or most G5's are rarely ranked. They work their way into the top 25 during the season. We are 15th right now. Say we win AAC ship. Win NY6 bowl. With our returning players, we should be top 15 next year. Go unbeaten. How high can we go? Look at Utah's schedule. Who have they beaten?

(12-06-2019 02:14 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  Call me naive, but I think the key to sneaking into the playoffs is where you are ranked to begin the season. AAC teams or most G5's are rarely ranked. They work their way into the top 25 during the season. We are 15th right now. Say we win AAC ship. Win NY6 bowl. With our returning players, we should be top 15 next year. Go unbeaten. How high can we go? Look at Utah's schedule. Who have they beaten?

Guess I should have read entire thread. I'm kinda echoing previous posts.

(12-05-2019 11:38 AM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:16 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:12 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Curious to know as I see multiple posts on CMN’s future, however I haven’t noticed any posts on a recent offer from current regime, seriously, has there been one... What is Memphis willing to Pony up for this type of “Legacy” being witnessed and never before done here.....

Unless you see us having a path to the playoff in the next decade, we can't offer a thing.

Man people need to stop. There are like 6 schools that can win it all. Everyone is Lee is fooling themselves. These coaches typically have to build the program over years to put themselves in that position. Saban built Alabama, Clemson was built by Dabbo. I don’t see Florida State built. It isn’t the job it used to be which is y their coach left for Texas A&M which will never win a championship. Florida is over saturated with recruitment. Drugs all over down there. I love Norvell and hate to see him go but ok if he does. I wouldn’t have chosen Florida State other than its in a weak conference other than Clemson

People say things like "only 6 schools can win it all" but that's simply not the case. We like to say it because of our neighbors - Old Miss, Miss St, and Arky. Because their chances are slim (due to Bama, LSU, Auburn). But even they could do it. Miss State was ranked #1 just a couple of seasons ago. We can never be ranked #1.

And it's even more true for P5 programs outside the SEC-West. Was Utah or Baylor in your "only 6" at the start of the year? Because if things break right on Saturday, either of them could be in the CFP - 2 wins away from winning it all.

FSU is evidently a bit of a mess right now. But they won a NC just 5 years ago. The right person can certainly make it happen again. Especially now. Mullen is a good coach, but not a great recruiter. Miami is a mess. UCF is not a long-term threat. With the money and recruits available, they will be back.

If the P5 is not letting any of us into any of their conferences, why in the world would anyone think they would let us into the CFP? It will never, ever happen the way it is currently constructed. They have it set-up this way for a reason. I have my doubts as to whether they would even give us a realistic chance if it expanded to 8.

(12-06-2019 02:19 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  If the P5 is not letting any of us into any of their conferences, why in the world would anyone think they would let us into the CFP? It will never, ever happen the way it is currently constructed. They have it set-up this way for a reason. I have my doubts as to whether they would even give us a realistic chance if it expanded to 8.

They'd probably gives a chance to buy our way into the Big12 if two of their big dudes left for another P5 conference. lol

(12-06-2019 02:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Its looking more and more like FSU has screwed this job search up. Granted, its not the complete cluster that the TN opening was a couple of years ago, primarily because its been kept more silent. But for a school at this level, it was screwed up.

Start with the firing. There was no reason to fire Taggart immediately unless you knew Stoops was ready to go. Its like they assumed because they were FLorida St, Stoops would take it. Or Franklin would. Or maybe Kelly. Because, it was FSU. So now Taggart is fired, and the clock is running. And its running earlier than it had to have been.

Then, they announced a date that they wanted the coach to be hired by (end of November) which they should have known could have been impossible for the group of coaches that could potentially be playing until the 2nd weekend in December.

They may end up with Norvell, but they have an uneducated fan and booster base who is not likely to be 'excited" about the hire. Primarily because they expected someone like Saban to walk thru the door. And also because they dont know football outside of FSU, and they overvalued themselves. It would reminiscent of Orlando magic fans booing the Penny trade for Chris Webber.

And that may be what we are about to witness. One of the best offensive coaching minds going to a school who isnt excited about the hire because they dont know dick and because Norvell isnt Bob Stoops.

Could go that way. But don't equate losing the introductory press conference, to long-term failure. I suspect they will line-up behind him very quickly.

(12-06-2019 02:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 02:19 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  If the P5 is not letting any of us into any of their conferences, why in the world would anyone think they would let us into the CFP? It will never, ever happen the way it is currently constructed. They have it set-up this way for a reason. I have my doubts as to whether they would even give us a realistic chance if it expanded to 8.

They'd probably gives a chance to buy our way into the Big12 if two of their big dudes left for another P5 conference. lol

It would probably just take the one big one to leave.

(12-06-2019 02:19 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  If the P5 is not letting any of us into any of their conferences, why in the world would anyone think they would let us into the CFP? It will never, ever happen the way it is currently constructed. They have it set-up this way for a reason. I have my doubts as to whether they would even give us a realistic chance if it expanded to 8.

I can understand your view, but why throw G5 conferences the NY6 bone if that's that case? If they can do that I would assume they would do the same for an expanded playoff.

(12-06-2019 02:35 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 02:19 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  If the P5 is not letting any of us into any of their conferences, why in the world would anyone think they would let us into the CFP? It will never, ever happen the way it is currently constructed. They have it set-up this way for a reason. I have my doubts as to whether they would even give us a realistic chance if it expanded to 8.

I can understand your view, but why throw G5 conferences the NY6 bone if that's that case? If they can do that I would assume they would do the same for an expanded playoff.

I dunno, maybe. I am hopeful, but I don't trust them. NY6 and CFP are 2 very different things. They are going to protect the CFP at any cost.

(12-06-2019 02:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 11:38 AM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:16 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:12 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Curious to know as I see multiple posts on CMN’s future, however I haven’t noticed any posts on a recent offer from current regime, seriously, has there been one... What is Memphis willing to Pony up for this type of “Legacy” being witnessed and never before done here.....

Unless you see us having a path to the playoff in the next decade, we can't offer a thing.

Man people need to stop. There are like 6 schools that can win it all. Everyone is Lee is fooling themselves. These coaches typically have to build the program over years to put themselves in that position. Saban built Alabama, Clemson was built by Dabbo. I don’t see Florida State built. It isn’t the job it used to be which is y their coach left for Texas A&M which will never win a championship. Florida is over saturated with recruitment. Drugs all over down there. I love Norvell and hate to see him go but ok if he does. I wouldn’t have chosen Florida State other than its in a weak conference other than Clemson

People say things like "only 6 schools can win it all" but that's simply not the case. We like to say it because of our neighbors - Old Miss, Miss St, and Arky. Because their chances are slim (due to Bama, LSU, Auburn). But even they could do it. Miss State was ranked #1 just a couple of seasons ago. We can never be ranked #1.

And it's even more true for P5 programs outside the SEC-West. Was Utah or Baylor in your "only 6" at the start of the year? Because if things break right on Saturday, either of them could be in the CFP - 2 wins away from winning it all.

FSU is evidently a bit of a mess right now. But they won a NC just 5 years ago. The right person can certainly make it happen again. Especially now. Mullen is a good coach, but not a great recruiter. Miami is a mess. UCF is not a long-term threat. With the money and recruits available, they will be back.

I mean, I kinda get what you're saying, but do any of those schools actually have a realistic shot? I don't think so. Sure, OM, MSU or the like can mess up and take down Alabama during the regular season once a millenium, but I just don't see them getting to the title game.

Dating back to the BCS, there have only been 17 different schools play in the championship game with only 12 different winners. UT and VT will likely never get back there and it is debatable that Miami or Nebraska could.

(12-06-2019 02:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:47 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:41 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:34 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:30 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  And a path to the playoff isn't going to happen unless we play (and win) a strong non-conference schedule year-in and year-out. The administration has shown they aren't willing to do that.

We could play 4 games against the P5 and we still ain't getting in. UCF went undefeated for 2 years and came in 8th

We would definitely have to go undefeated, but our schedule couldn't include teams like South Carolina State, Austin Peay, Florida International, or Florida Atlantic the way UCF's schedule did.

We would most certainly have to play 3 mid to upper level P5 teams and win them all. A tall order, no doubt, but it's the only chance we woud ever have of making the playoff without a P5 affiliation.

We could run the table next year!!!! Start off in the top 15 and be @ the door step of the CFP.... a lot closer than FSU will be in the next 5 years!!!! So, it has to be about $$$$ Hence the thread

If we start in the top 15, it will be at #15. No higher. And then there's no shot at the CFP.

If Norvell goes to FSU they could very easily be a top 10 team within 5 years.

or fired in less than 2 years

(12-06-2019 03:10 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 02:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:47 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:41 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:34 AM)fsquid Wrote:  We could play 4 games against the P5 and we still ain't getting in. UCF went undefeated for 2 years and came in 8th

We would definitely have to go undefeated, but our schedule couldn't include teams like South Carolina State, Austin Peay, Florida International, or Florida Atlantic the way UCF's schedule did.

We would most certainly have to play 3 mid to upper level P5 teams and win them all. A tall order, no doubt, but it's the only chance we woud ever have of making the playoff without a P5 affiliation.

We could run the table next year!!!! Start off in the top 15 and be @ the door step of the CFP.... a lot closer than FSU will be in the next 5 years!!!! So, it has to be about $$$$ Hence the thread

If we start in the top 15, it will be at #15. No higher. And then there's no shot at the CFP.

If Norvell goes to FSU they could very easily be a top 10 team within 5 years.

or fired in less than 2 years

they won't have the money to do a quick firing again. He'll probably get 4 unless its just going horribly wrong.

(12-06-2019 03:12 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:10 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 02:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:47 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:41 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  We would definitely have to go undefeated, but our schedule couldn't include teams like South Carolina State, Austin Peay, Florida International, or Florida Atlantic the way UCF's schedule did.

We would most certainly have to play 3 mid to upper level P5 teams and win them all. A tall order, no doubt, but it's the only chance we woud ever have of making the playoff without a P5 affiliation.

We could run the table next year!!!! Start off in the top 15 and be @ the door step of the CFP.... a lot closer than FSU will be in the next 5 years!!!! So, it has to be about $$$$ Hence the thread

If we start in the top 15, it will be at #15. No higher. And then there's no shot at the CFP.

If Norvell goes to FSU they could very easily be a top 10 team within 5 years.

or fired in less than 2 years

they won't have the money to do a quick firing again. He'll probably get 4 unless its just going horribly wrong.

so they have the money to hire him, but dont have the money to fire him

(12-06-2019 03:15 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:12 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:10 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 02:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:47 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  We could run the table next year!!!! Start off in the top 15 and be @ the door step of the CFP.... a lot closer than FSU will be in the next 5 years!!!! So, it has to be about $$$$ Hence the thread

If we start in the top 15, it will be at #15. No higher. And then there's no shot at the CFP.

If Norvell goes to FSU they could very easily be a top 10 team within 5 years.

or fired in less than 2 years

they won't have the money to do a quick firing again. He'll probably get 4 unless its just going horribly wrong.

so they have the money to hire him, but dont have the money to fire him

Which means they wouldnt have the money to upgrade the facilities.

(12-06-2019 03:15 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:12 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:10 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 02:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:47 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  We could run the table next year!!!! Start off in the top 15 and be @ the door step of the CFP.... a lot closer than FSU will be in the next 5 years!!!! So, it has to be about $$$$ Hence the thread

If we start in the top 15, it will be at #15. No higher. And then there's no shot at the CFP.

If Norvell goes to FSU they could very easily be a top 10 team within 5 years.

or fired in less than 2 years

they won't have the money to do a quick firing again. He'll probably get 4 unless its just going horribly wrong.

so they have the money to hire him, but dont have the money to fire him

Correct

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(12-06-2019 03:27 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:15 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:12 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 03:10 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 02:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If we start in the top 15, it will be at #15. No higher. And then there's no shot at the CFP.

If Norvell goes to FSU they could very easily be a top 10 team within 5 years.

or fired in less than 2 years

they won't have the money to do a quick firing again. He'll probably get 4 unless its just going horribly wrong.

so they have the money to hire him, but dont have the money to fire him

Correct

you must beez a football insider, like several on here

I never listen to the guys who say there is not enough money. lol

So many people on here proclaimed with absolute certainty that we didn't have the money to fire Tubby either.

I don't know why the Football only fans are so stingy with money...just in general.

(12-06-2019 03:10 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 02:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:47 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:41 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:34 AM)fsquid Wrote:  We could play 4 games against the P5 and we still ain't getting in. UCF went undefeated for 2 years and came in 8th

We would definitely have to go undefeated, but our schedule couldn't include teams like South Carolina State, Austin Peay, Florida International, or Florida Atlantic the way UCF's schedule did.

We would most certainly have to play 3 mid to upper level P5 teams and win them all. A tall order, no doubt, but it's the only chance we woud ever have of making the playoff without a P5 affiliation.

We could run the table next year!!!! Start off in the top 15 and be @ the door step of the CFP.... a lot closer than FSU will be in the next 5 years!!!! So, it has to be about $$$$ Hence the thread

If we start in the top 15, it will be at #15. No higher. And then there's no shot at the CFP.

If Norvell goes to FSU they could very easily be a top 10 team within 5 years.

or fired in less than 2 years

What happens to Scott Frost next year if he goes 4-8?

(12-06-2019 03:43 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I never listen to the guys who say there is not enough money. lol

So many people on here proclaimed with absolute certainty that we didn't have the money to fire Tubby either.

I don't know why the Football only fans are so stingy with money...just in general.

we have those? really?

I couldn't tell. Same ones who brushed off James Wiseman being ineligible are singing a slightly different tune these days.