I think Taggert is a great choice. He has a proven track record of not being able to accomplish anything.

I am really mixed on this... I am angry with what he did, but a person who learns that it isnt always greener can be a good long term fit and thats what we need... stability. Add in that he was just horrifically embarrased, I can see him tearing up that recruiting trail to prove that firing him was a mistake.

There are some who say he was close to being fired before Flowers, Mack, Adams and company tore it up... but we ALSO have to remember that is was Taggart who recruited ALL of them. Say what you will, but the man recruits like a beast and that is without an IPF, OCS and other facilitates that we are building now.

Then there's the transfers... FSU has several people who are transferring and he was putting together a nice recruiting class, which some would come to USF instead of FSU.

Id be open to rehiring him (cant believe i am saying that) "IF" he was willing to take a super low salary for the first few years. Something like $500K, since he will be getting around $4 million from Florida state... we can use the money saved to pay Charlie and from what I heard, we raised money from some donors to pay charlie too... so we can spend some extra on a good OC and DC. Id like to bring back some USF legends like Larry Scott or Marquel Blackwell. Scott is a BEAST recruiter and along with Taggart, we would be back to the #1 classes in the AAC.
add in his son is a high 3 start QB who is being recruited by several... it seems they would be a package deal, so thats a benefit.

If we do sign him, I want a low salary for 4 years, $15 Million exit fee if he takes another job, a low buyout if he sucks ass ($1 million a year or less) and a commitment to build relationships in tampa and the state along with doing fundraising events.

I know we will never get Leavitt back and I am ok with that, but I want someone who realizes what USF is and loves it like Leavitt did... the man turned down an interview at Alabama to stay at USF. I want THAT loyalty and I think WT has found he had something special and blew it... that can make someone really loyal and hard working in their second go around.

Overall, I would prefer either one of the Clemson OCs and my heart still wants Larry Scott, but if the right terms are met, Id be open to Taggarts return.

IIRC, even when we were winning with Tag, we had very serious problems on defense. I think a typical score was 48-45 USF. I remember barely winning some shootouts simply because Q could put up monster numbers.

(12-04-2019 11:11 AM)Bull Wrote:  IIRC, even when we were winning with Tag, we had very serious problems on defense. I think a typical score was 48-45 USF. I remember barely winning some shootouts simply because Q could put up monster numbers.

Our current D is making progress, so I wouldnt mind seeing if BJM would stay on board. I know if Tag is brought back, hes gonna want to bring Woodie, but that man should be permanently banned from ever being a DC ever again... but damn can he recruit.
He might be able to be a position coach, but Ill lose my shiit if he is ever our DC again... that man sucked a$$ as a DC.

(12-04-2019 11:01 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I am really mixed on this... I am angry with what he did, but a person who learns that it isnt always greener can be a good long term fit and thats what we need... stability. Add in that he was just horrifically embarrased, I can see him tearing up that recruiting trail to prove that firing him was a mistake.

There are some who say he was close to being fired before Flowers, Mack, Adams and company tore it up... but we ALSO have to remember that is was Taggart who recruited ALL of them. Say what you will, but the man recruits like a beast and that is without an IPF, OCS and other facilitates that we are building now.

Then there's the transfers... FSU has several people who are transferring and he was putting together a nice recruiting class, which some would come to USF instead of FSU.

Id be open to rehiring him (cant believe i am saying that) "IF" he was willing to take a super low salary for the first few years. Something like $500K, since he will be getting around $4 million from Florida state... we can use the money saved to pay Charlie and from what I heard, we raised money from some donors to pay charlie too... so we can spend some extra on a good OC and DC. Id like to bring back some USF legends like Larry Scott or Marquel Blackwell. Scott is a BEAST recruiter and along with Taggart, we would be back to the #1 classes in the AAC.
add in his son is a high 3 start QB who is being recruited by several... it seems they would be a package deal, so thats a benefit.

If we do sign him, I want a low salary for 4 years, $15 Million exit fee if he takes another job, a low buyout if he sucks ass ($1 million a year or less) and a commitment to build relationships in tampa and the state along with doing fundraising events.

I know we will never get Leavitt back and I am ok with that, but I want someone who realizes what USF is and loves it like Leavitt did... the man turned down an interview at Alabama to stay at USF. I want THAT loyalty and I think WT has found he had something special and blew it... that can make someone really loyal and hard working in their second go around.

Overall, I would prefer either one of the Clemson OCs and my heart still wants Larry Scott, but if the right terms are met, Id be open to Taggarts return.

Good luck getting those concessions with any coach.

(12-04-2019 11:11 AM)Bull Wrote:  IIRC, even when we were winning with Tag, we had very serious problems on defense. I think a typical score was 48-45 USF. I remember barely winning some shootouts simply because Q could put up monster numbers.

I remember the sentiment was that they did you a favor by taking Taggart.

But by all means. Go for it. I think he'd be swell.

I am absolutely shocked any USF fan would support this move. Even if you paid him $1 a year it doesn't change the fact that he can't coach. Look at his record for God's sake

(12-04-2019 02:09 PM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  I am absolutely shocked any USF fan would support this move. Even if you paid him $1 a year it doesn't change the fact that he can't coach. Look at his record for God's sake

If you look at his history at WKU, USF and Oregon... he actually improved each year and his recruiting classes were beasts. Again, Id rather go in a different direction, but to say he couldnt coach isnt supported by the numbers.

He did make a massive mistake by giving a friend a chance at DC. Raymond Woodie wasnt ready to be DC. He was ok as a position coach, but once promoted to DC, our defense took a nose dive.

(12-04-2019 02:14 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:09 PM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  I am absolutely shocked any USF fan would support this move. Even if you paid him $1 a year it doesn't change the fact that he can't coach. Look at his record for God's sake

If you look at his history at WKU, USF and Oregon... he actually improved each year and his recruiting classes were beasts. Again, Id rather go in a different direction, but to say he couldnt coach isnt supported by the numbers.

He did make a massive mistake by giving a friend a chance at DC. Raymond Woodie wasnt ready to be DC. He was ok as a position coach, but once promoted to DC, our defense took a nose dive.

Did you see what he did at Florida St? He's a national laughing stock to most college football fans. Great recruiting classes don't always equal wins. Look at teams like Miami for an example. By all means give it a try but don't be surprised if you are in an even worse situation 3 years from now.

(12-04-2019 02:18 PM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:14 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:09 PM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  I am absolutely shocked any USF fan would support this move. Even if you paid him $1 a year it doesn't change the fact that he can't coach. Look at his record for God's sake

If you look at his history at WKU, USF and Oregon... he actually improved each year and his recruiting classes were beasts. Again, Id rather go in a different direction, but to say he couldnt coach isnt supported by the numbers.

He did make a massive mistake by giving a friend a chance at DC. Raymond Woodie wasnt ready to be DC. He was ok as a position coach, but once promoted to DC, our defense took a nose dive.

Did you see what he did at Florida St? He's a national laughing stock to most college football fans. Great recruiting classes don't always equal wins. Look at teams like Miami for an example

Shirt sighted fools only look at a 20 month snippet of a persons career... FSU was a total trainwreck when he got there. No coach could have turned it into a winner in a year. Urban freaking Meyer couldnt have pulled it off.

With that said, look at this other three coaching stops.... tells an entirely different story. If he had stayed at USF, which he is now saying he wish he did, because he screwed up the happiest time of his life... he would have Taken Flowers and crew to the Access bowl.

Strong had a perfect setup to win and blew it. He didnt know how to run teh Gulf Coast offense and messed up USFs best chance ever. but thats a what if...

(12-04-2019 02:20 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:18 PM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:14 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:09 PM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  I am absolutely shocked any USF fan would support this move. Even if you paid him $1 a year it doesn't change the fact that he can't coach. Look at his record for God's sake

If you look at his history at WKU, USF and Oregon... he actually improved each year and his recruiting classes were beasts. Again, Id rather go in a different direction, but to say he couldnt coach isnt supported by the numbers.

He did make a massive mistake by giving a friend a chance at DC. Raymond Woodie wasnt ready to be DC. He was ok as a position coach, but once promoted to DC, our defense took a nose dive.

Did you see what he did at Florida St? He's a national laughing stock to most college football fans. Great recruiting classes don't always equal wins. Look at teams like Miami for an example

Shirt sighted fools only look at a 20 month snippet of a persons career... FSU was a total trainwreck when he got there. No coach could have turned it into a winner in a year. Urban freaking Meyer couldnt have pulled it off.

With that said, look at this other three coaching stops.... tells an entirely different story. If he had stayed at USF, which he is now saying he wish he did, because he screwed up the happiest time of his life... he would have Taken Flowers and crew to the Access bowl.

Strong had a perfect setup to win and blew it. He didnt know how to run teh Gulf Coast offense and messed up USFs best chance ever. but thats a what if...

I took this from your board. Look at this. There is no defending this. You keep throwing out hypotheticals but his actual record tells a completely different story. He's awful

"10 years of head coaching experience.

0-1 in bowl games. (That’s right present for, 1 bowl game in 10 years and lost it).

Overall record of 56-62.

One season of 9 wins or more.

Zero conference championships won.

Zero conference championships played for"

2010 Western Kentucky 2–10
2011 Western Kentucky 7–5
2012 Western Kentucky 7–5

2013 South Florida 2–10
2014 South Florida 4–8
2015 South Florida 8–5
2016 South Florida 10–2

AGAIN, if you have the ability to do research, which obviously you dont, raw numbers dont tell the truth. He took over two programs that were failing.... first few years will always be bad, and they arent an indication of him, but more so what he was left.

Even at oregon he won more than their previous year.

If he had stayed at USF, the trajectory would have resulted in championships, bowl wins and everything else. He left and it was a mistake.

(12-04-2019 02:33 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  2010 Western Kentucky 2–10
2011 Western Kentucky 7–5
2012 Western Kentucky 7–5

2013 South Florida 2–10
2014 South Florida 4–8
2015 South Florida 8–5
2016 South Florida 10–2

AGAIN, if you have the ability to do research, which obviously you dont, raw numbers dont tell the truth. He took over two programs that were failing.... first few years will always be bad, and they arent an indication of him, but more so what he was left.

Even at oregon he won more than their previous year.

If he had stayed at USF, the trajectory would have resulted in championships, bowl wins and everything else. He left and it was a mistake.

and he ran a blue blood into the ground so quickly they fired him before finishing his second season. It's funny how you keep leaving his FSU tenure out of your posts.

nothing funny about it. I know what he can do and the hand he was dealt when he arrived there.

Who wants back on this bus!!!

Taggart being back at USF wouldn't worry me at all as a UCF fan, he's a no substance fraud.

(12-04-2019 03:01 PM)knightastic Wrote:  Taggart being back at USF wouldn't worry me at all as a UCF fan, he's a no substance fraud.

I think his ceiling is probably getting them back to 7-8 wins a season, but his hiring comes with the chance he could turn the program into a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

From looking at their board it seems his support is about 50/50, thats a terrible situation for a head coach to be coming in to. It's basically ensuring half your fanbase brings out the torches and pitchforks killing attendance and donations unless he wins big immediately, which I don't think even WT supporters would be expecting in his first year.

If you hire a new guy with no former ties to the program the majority of fans will at least give him the benefit of the doubt

(12-04-2019 03:01 PM)knightastic Wrote:  Taggart being back at USF wouldn't worry me at all as a UCF fan, he's a no substance fraud.

Well the "no substance" USF Coach Willie Taggart is 2-2 against UCiF.

(12-04-2019 03:16 PM)TyBull Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 03:01 PM)knightastic Wrote:  Taggart being back at USF wouldn't worry me at all as a UCF fan, he's a no substance fraud.

Well the "no substance" USF Coach Willie Taggart is 2-2 against UCiF.

on the tail end of a Program that had O'leary as an AD and one of those seasons being 0-12. If you want to hang onto that stat to have confidence in him go ahead.

Kendal Briles has already unloaded on how inept Taggart was at FSU