(10-29-2019 01:50 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  For the AAC to become a power league they need for realignment to end so that they won't lose any more schools when they become better.

This.

We have to become an A6 school with equal voting rights, the A5 will never ever do that, They don't want to share the $$.

(10-28-2019 11:13 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  Please excuse my ignorance, but how does this happen? I know the history of how the P5 and G5 narrative came about, just curious if anyone has any insight on how this whole process works to become a power conference? Because I don’t think sitting around waiting for an invitation is ever going happen.

1) What’s the criteria that needs to be met? Is there a criteria?
2) Who determines if we are a power conference or not? ESPN? NCAA? A committee? The other conferences?

How does any of this work? The other power conferences are going to do everything in their power to keep us out. They don’t want to give up a share of the money to any other conference. So is it going to take some kind of legal action or petition?

G5 schools need to stop taking the A5's money after the contract expires and then sue their ass for fraud and racketeering. If there ever was a racket the P5 is the poster child.

(11-02-2019 03:36 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  - - First, they have to be granted the financial benefits from the broadcasters - - in the form of a negotiated contract - - and after they do this, the corporate (not amateur) office of the NCAA, per formalized agreements, simply rubber-stamps the arrangement, and automatically assigns them an "autonomous conference status," as required by the signed contract." NOTE: The first five autonomous conferences each worked out their own package deals with the networks and bowl games. Similarly, the AAC has also worked out its own independent package deal.

- - In the case of the AAC's greatly enhanced and expanded contract agreement with ESPN, it is possible that the NCAA has similarly reclassified the AAC as an "autonomous conference" under Section 5.3.2.1 (or 5.3.2.1.1 of the NCAA Constitution, without any references to the special P5 contracts, playoff arrangements, which are an entirely separate matter negotiated between the networks and the first 5 autonomy conferences.

A lot of incorrect info or assumptions in your post. Let's start with the first one above. The ability to negotiate your own TV contract has NOTHING to do with autonomy as defined in Chapter 5 of the NCAA Div 1 Manual for the SEC, ACC, B10, B12 and PAC12. All 10 FBS conferences already have the ability to negotiate their own TV contracts.

So, when I talk about autonomy conferences voting in their best financial interests, it has NOTHING to do with TV money, and everything to do with the College Football Playoff money and how it is distributed to the autonomy conferences and the non autonomy conferences.

You also stated that the NCAA would "rubber stamp" the arrangement (the addition of the AAC as an autonomy conference). That's not how it works. When the NCAA makes changes to the Division 1 Manual it is done through VOTING by the member schools. ALL Div 1 schools VOTED to allow those five conferences autonomy over certain issues, and membership in the autonomy group as described in paragraph 5.3.2.1.1 will not be changed (to add or remove a conference) unless it is VOTED on.

(11-02-2019 03:36 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  - - - - If so, an "autonomy" classification itself might simply connote the freedom to negotiate a contract and be self-regulating.

Again, this is wrong. All FBS conferences already have the ability to negotiate a contract. Also, autonomy conferences are not "self regulating." They simply have the ability to vote for different rules that would apply to all autonomy conference on a limited number of issues.

(11-02-2019 03:36 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  - - - - Since the NCAA doesn't formally acknowledge the term "Power Five," it would be understandable if the NCAA Constitution has little to say about the special privileges that the autonomous five conferences independently negotiated with the networks.

Same incorrect statement. Autonomy conferences do not have special privileges to independently negotiate with networks.

(11-02-2019 03:36 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  3) These two statements below may have no formal/legal impact at all on what are termed "Power" or "Autonomous" Conference status:

"no current P5 conference wants to acknowledge an additional power conference and reduce their income...and"

"no current G4 conference is likely to want someone other than themselves elevated to "official" power conference status."

As stated above, you are wrong about this. Division 1 schools VOTE to make changes to NCAA by-laws, rules, etc.

(11-02-2019 03:36 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  - - However, neither the P5 nor G4 conferences had impact at all on ESPN's decision to negotiate enhanced payments to the AAC, and it isn't very likely that any conferences will have such an impact in the future.

Irrelevant to the discussion. the amount of money a conference receives for its TV rights is not the determining factor of whether a conference is an autonomy conference. Being given autonomy status through a VOTE of all Div 1 member conferences is the one and only determining factor of who is an autonomy conference.

It makes sense to me, that from the P5 (A5) perspective, if they don’t want to expand their own conferences any more, that they would want a large group of schools across the country (i.e.- the best of the rest) which play football (and basketball) at a high level, to carry the label of a power conference.

Firstly, this wouldn’t effect their contract bowl tie ins at all.
Secondly, this doesn’t have anything to do with their media deals.
It does give the blue bloods a “power” opponent you beat which will “look” better
And it keep the lower schools already in the P5 a face-save when playing said schools and losing. Because now it’s a P6 loss, instead of a G5 loss.

Also, if the AAC went big with a western expansion they could essentially destroy one conference. Likely CUSA. It would split the remnants to the MWC and Sunbelt. But they’d have to expand over a couple of steps to do it that way, because if they did a western wing with lots of MWC teams, it would just end up dissolving the MWC.
So their would then be a P6/G3 scenario.

This would also create more DI schools (esp if it was a large AAC conference) voting. And would give the P6 a super majority.

It would take the current P5 giving up a bit more of the pie (which may be a moot point one it becomes a 8-team playoff because there will be so much more money to go around). And it will take a current NY6 bowl (or all 3 of the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta) to sign a contact with the AAC guaranteeing a spot for the AAC champ.

This would give the current P5 more available “power” teams to play in the regular season. And it will ensure giving “auto” access when the 8-team playoff rolls around to the most name schools and schools playing at the highest level when they meet them in the Playoff or the NY6 bowl games.

If the AAC only adds one to get back to 12, it won’t skew the numbers enough, IMO. And it keeps the multiple G5 conference model alive.

Add Boise State

(11-02-2019 11:34 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Add Boise State

F that. BSU had their chance.

Reading this thread has been so much fun because some of you believe that the College Football Playoff will expand and that the other conferences as well as their enabler ESPN will allow there to be a "Power 6." Your absolutely delusional. Never gonna happen. The landscape may change in 5 years but I'd lay money down that you'll still be having the same discussion then. Except you'll be complaining that the money in this new contract is not enough. Exposure, yes. Money, NO. Sorry but this conference is S.O.L.

(11-02-2019 05:32 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  Reading this thread has been so much fun because some of you believe that the College Football Playoff will expand and that the other conferences as well as their enabler ESPN will allow there to be a "Power 6." Your absolutely delusional. Never gonna happen. The landscape may change in 5 years but I'd lay money down that you'll still be having the same discussion then. Except you'll be complaining that the money in this new contract is not enough. Exposure, yes. Money, NO. Sorry but this conference is S.O.L.

"Why are you still here, XConn fan? You should drop your broke ass state's abysmal football program. Have fun in your new regional, small-time basketball conference."

I think I just covered all the replies you'll be getting. You're welcome.

(11-02-2019 05:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 05:32 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  Reading this thread has been so much fun because some of you believe that the College Football Playoff will expand and that the other conferences as well as their enabler ESPN will allow there to be a "Power 6." Your absolutely delusional. Never gonna happen. The landscape may change in 5 years but I'd lay money down that you'll still be having the same discussion then. Except you'll be complaining that the money in this new contract is not enough. Exposure, yes. Money, NO. Sorry but this conference is S.O.L.

"Why are you still here, XConn fan? You should drop your broke ass state's abysmal football program. Have fun in your new regional, small-time basketball conference."

I think I just covered all the replies you'll be getting. You're welcome.

Thank you. Looking forward to going back to "The World's Most Famous Arena!"

(10-28-2019 11:13 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  Please excuse my ignorance, but how does this happen? I know the history of how the P5 and G5 narrative came about, just curious if anyone has any insight on how this whole process works to become a power conference? Because I don’t think sitting around waiting for an invitation is ever going happen.

1) What’s the criteria that needs to be met? Is there a criteria?
2) Who determines if we are a power conference or not? ESPN? NCAA? A committee? The other conferences?

How does any of this work? The other power conferences are going to do everything in their power to keep us out. They don’t want to give up a share of the money to any other conference. So is it going to take some kind of legal action or petition?

Get the 5 P5 conferences to give up a share of the $ and give it to the AAC just to be nice.

(11-02-2019 05:32 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  Reading this thread has been so much fun because some of you believe that the College Football Playoff will expand and that the other conferences as well as their enabler ESPN will allow there to be a "Power 6." Your absolutely delusional. Never gonna happen. The landscape may change in 5 years but I'd lay money down that you'll still be having the same discussion then. Except you'll be complaining that the money in this new contract is not enough. Exposure, yes. Money, NO. Sorry but this conference is S.O.L.

We'll get an immediate boost just by getting rid of UCANT.

(11-02-2019 10:32 AM)Square Knight Wrote:  ... the amount of money a conference receives for its TV rights is not the determining factor of whether a conference is an autonomy conference.

This is true today for non-P5 conferences, but the P5 were only able to negotiate their an distinct tier of special rules, special provisions, and freedom to regulate themselves from the NCAA because they had secured a massive $100+ million/year media package from broadcasters.

With such a large, guaranteed media package, the P5s had the means to drive an extremely hard bargain for "autonomous conferences" status, by making it clear that they were fully prepared to set up a completely separate "collegiate athletic association" of their own, if need be.

The NCAA Manual makes it clear that, in response to the (widely reported "take it or leave it") "offer" from the P5, the NCAA consented to arrange new a two-tiered system of rules - - one that applies to the 5 "autonomy conferences" and one that applies to all the other conferences.

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(11-02-2019 05:32 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  Reading this thread has been so much fun because some of you believe that the College Football Playoff will expand and that the other conferences as well as their enabler ESPN will allow there to be a "Power 6." ... Never gonna happen.

The landscape may change in 5 years but I'd lay money down that you'll still be having the same discussion then. Except you'll be complaining that the money in this new contract is not enough. Exposure, yes. Money, NO. Sorry but this conference is S.O.L.

First, you wrote "Never gonna happen."

Then, you wrote that "The landscape may change in 5 years..."

Which is it?

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BTW, no one around here has predicted that the playoff will change in the next five years.

Whether the new contract amount will be considered sufficient 12 years from now will remain to be seen. Few, if any, have complained about the $5 million increase, with the possible exception of UConn, which viewed travel costs as being prohibitive, notwithstanding the increase in revenue. Due to their financial crisis, they probably had a legitimate point.

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In your concluding remark, you argued:

"this conference is S.O.L."

That seems like a "sour grapes" reaction from a departing UConn fan.

Wish y'all luck in the Big East and hope your FB program has success as an independent.


Hundreds of G4, FCS, DII, and DIII colleges & universities across the nation certainly don't see it that way.

Moreover, the AAC has been able to achieve parity with specific P5 conferences in FB and MBB.

Most AAC fans don't seem to feel the least bit "S.O.L." To the contrary, quite a few are probably having the time of our lives as college sports fans at this point.

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Overall, you appear to have missed the point of the thread.

It has nothing to do with complaining.

It has everything to do with being hopeful & upwardly mobile.