https://www.scnow.com/news/local/joe-bid...95f0c.html

Quote:Former Vice President Joe Biden, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential race, was denied Holy Communion on Sunday morning at a Florence church.

Father Robert E. Morey of Saint Anthony Catholic Church confirmed Monday afternoon that he had denied the presidential candidate Holy Communion because of his stance on abortion. Biden, a lifelong Catholic, had attended the church’s 9 a.m. Mass.

Quote:“Sadly, this past Sunday, I had to refuse Holy Communion to former Vice President Joe Biden,” Morey told the Morning News via email. “Holy Communion signifies we are one with God, each other and the Church. Our actions should reflect that. Any public figure who advocates for abortion places himself or herself outside of Church teaching.”

Morey said that as a priest, it is his responsibility to minister to those souls entrusted to his care and that he must do so in even the most difficult situations.

“I will keep Mr. Biden in my prayers,” Morey added.

that's fair

Finally a priest with the guts to deny communion to pro-abortion Catholics.
Now if they would just excommunicate them.

It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

Started a post on it here earlier today.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-886194.html

(10-29-2019 10:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

A person is supposed to refuse to accept Communion if they're living in a state of mortal sin. In other words, if you have committed a sin, that you knew at the time was against God's will, and you have not yet been to Confession.

"Supporting" abortion isn't enough to be in a state of sin. Voting for abortion and campaigning for it publicly (as Biden has) is probably enough to be a sin, but the person would have to know that God is pro-life for it to actually be a sin. A lot of people just don't think deeply enough about political issues for them to be living in a state of sin over their pro-choice stance.

But Biden has no excuse. He should refuse to accept Communion and not put priests in that position.

My Grandma didn't go to Communion for 3 decades because she married a divorced man.

(10-29-2019 10:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

There's a very sinister and historical reason why leftist dems are in favor of genocide.

(10-30-2019 12:51 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

A person is supposed to refuse to accept Communion if they're living in a state of mortal sin. In other words, if you have committed a sin, that you knew at the time was against God's will, and you have not yet been to Confession.

"Supporting" abortion isn't enough to be in a state of sin. Voting for abortion and campaigning for it publicly (as Biden has) is probably enough to be a sin, but the person would have to know that God is pro-life for it to actually be a sin. A lot of people just don't think deeply enough about political issues for them to be living in a state of sin over their pro-choice stance.

But Biden has no excuse. He should refuse to accept Communion and not put priests in that position.

My Grandma didn't go to Communion for 3 decades because she married a divorced man.

What if someone supported Devil worship?
What if someone supported slavery?

(10-30-2019 06:45 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-30-2019 12:51 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

A person is supposed to refuse to accept Communion if they're living in a state of mortal sin. In other words, if you have committed a sin, that you knew at the time was against God's will, and you have not yet been to Confession.

"Supporting" abortion isn't enough to be in a state of sin. Voting for abortion and campaigning for it publicly (as Biden has) is probably enough to be a sin, but the person would have to know that God is pro-life for it to actually be a sin. A lot of people just don't think deeply enough about political issues for them to be living in a state of sin over their pro-choice stance.

But Biden has no excuse. He should refuse to accept Communion and not put priests in that position.

My Grandma didn't go to Communion for 3 decades because she married a divorced man.

What if someone supported Devil worship?
What if someone supported slavery?

Same thing. From the Catechism:


1384 The Lord addresses an invitation to us, urging us to receive him in the sacrament of the Eucharist: "Truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."

1385 To respond to this invitation we must prepare ourselves for so great and so holy a moment. St. Paul urges us to examine our conscience: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself." Anyone conscious of a grave sin must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation before coming to communion.



1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother." The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.

Many "suburban liberal Catholics" (as Rath calls them) fall under the exception in section 1860 for "unintentional ignorance" because they just don't care enough about politics and/or theology.

Also, their actions might not constitute a "grave matter" if they're not telling other people that it's ok to kill babies. They're just voting for politicians who happen to have "killing babies" as one of many planks in their political platform, and they might think that economic justice is more important that imposing Christian moral philosophies (that they don't really understand themselves) on the entire country.

Neither exception applies for Biden.

(10-31-2019 11:19 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Many "suburban liberal Catholics" (as Rath calls them) fall under the exception in section 1860 for "unintentional ignorance" because they just don't care enough about politics and/or theology.

Also, their actions might not constitute a "grave matter" if they're not telling other people that it's ok to kill babies. They're just voting for politicians who happen to have "killing babies" as one of many planks in their political platform, and they might think that economic justice is more important that imposing Christian moral philosophies (that they don't really understand themselves) on the entire country.

Neither exception applies for Biden.

I'm an atheist....my niece got married in the catholic church last year....

my daughter and I intentionally sat while the other walk the 'line of faith'.... and we're both 'allowed'...

some of us understand humility and respect for faith w/o concern of others' glare....

biden has zero respect for anything substantive...his voting record and 'hem/haw verbiage' proves that...

wake the fk up sheeple....

(10-30-2019 03:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

There's a very sinister and historical reason why leftist dems are in favor of genocide.

Lemme guess, the overwhelming support of the GOP by African-Americans?

(10-30-2019 12:51 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

A person is supposed to refuse to accept Communion if they're living in a state of mortal sin. In other words, if you have committed a sin, that you knew at the time was against God's will, and you have not yet been to Confession.

"Supporting" abortion isn't enough to be in a state of sin. Voting for abortion and campaigning for it publicly (as Biden has) is probably enough to be a sin, but the person would have to know that God is pro-life for it to actually be a sin. A lot of people just don't think deeply enough about political issues for them to be living in a state of sin over their pro-choice stance.

But Biden has no excuse. He should refuse to accept Communion and not put priests in that position.

My Grandma didn't go to Communion for 3 decades because she married a divorced man.

What about voting for the death penalty?

(10-31-2019 12:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2019 12:51 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

A person is supposed to refuse to accept Communion if they're living in a state of mortal sin. In other words, if you have committed a sin, that you knew at the time was against God's will, and you have not yet been to Confession.

"Supporting" abortion isn't enough to be in a state of sin. Voting for abortion and campaigning for it publicly (as Biden has) is probably enough to be a sin, but the person would have to know that God is pro-life for it to actually be a sin. A lot of people just don't think deeply enough about political issues for them to be living in a state of sin over their pro-choice stance.

But Biden has no excuse. He should refuse to accept Communion and not put priests in that position.

My Grandma didn't go to Communion for 3 decades because she married a divorced man.

What about voting for the death penalty?

You mean like voting for abortions to be legal? The Governor of VA votes "yes" on that - even immediately after the baby has been born.

(10-31-2019 12:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2019 12:51 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

A person is supposed to refuse to accept Communion if they're living in a state of mortal sin. In other words, if you have committed a sin, that you knew at the time was against God's will, and you have not yet been to Confession.

"Supporting" abortion isn't enough to be in a state of sin. Voting for abortion and campaigning for it publicly (as Biden has) is probably enough to be a sin, but the person would have to know that God is pro-life for it to actually be a sin. A lot of people just don't think deeply enough about political issues for them to be living in a state of sin over their pro-choice stance.

But Biden has no excuse. He should refuse to accept Communion and not put priests in that position.

My Grandma didn't go to Communion for 3 decades because she married a divorced man.

What about voting for the death penalty?

The Catholic Church is generally against death penalty, but does not forbid it because it is sometimes necessary for the safety of other members of society.

However, it is only allowable in circumstances where incarceration is not a viable option (which is rare in a modern 1st world society). And we must be 100% certain that the person is guilty of their crime. So it's different from abortion, which ends an innocent life.


From the Catechism (this one is 3 paragraphs):


2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically non-existent."

(10-31-2019 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2019 03:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 10:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It makes so much sense except all the McMansion suburban liberal catholics still think that killing (mostly) minority babies is just hunky dory.

There's a very sinister and historical reason why leftist dems are in favor of genocide.

Lemme guess, the overwhelming support of the GOP by African-Americans?

What do Egyptian-born people or Algerians or Libyans living in America have to do with this?