(10-15-2019 08:43 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 02:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 02:01 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  KJ Lawson is high. He was an inefficient, high usage rate player on a bad Memphis team and an inefficient, low minute reserve for an inconsistent KU team. He will get high counting stats because he will have a high usage rate but he wont be a top 20 player in this league.

kj has supposedly been dominant in practice so far...hunter said he established himself as a starter almost immediately, says everyone else is still battling for spots

lawson has 2 years eligibility hunter said he'd be shocked if he uses both, he'll be a 1 and done & in the NBA next season... the had an open practice last week and everyone said he was on another level than everyone else and tulanes roster (and tulanes roster is full of starting grad transfers from other school)

"He was an inefficient, high usage rate player on a bad {Cal} team and an inefficient, low minute reserve for an inconsistent KU team."
same could be said about charlie moore who also transferred to and out of KU like lawson last season..he was doing like 24 a game for depaul in their foreign tour

i don't have a dog in the fight but that's a clear example of coach speak and it's most certainly the case with ron hunter

i noted the open practice... everyone that went said kj was on another level..also itd be weird to just single out lawson in coach speak..they have a few touted transfers and ona embo returning etc.. he says only Lawson has solidified himself

(10-15-2019 09:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 08:43 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 02:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 02:01 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  KJ Lawson is high. He was an inefficient, high usage rate player on a bad Memphis team and an inefficient, low minute reserve for an inconsistent KU team. He will get high counting stats because he will have a high usage rate but he wont be a top 20 player in this league.

kj has supposedly been dominant in practice so far...hunter said he established himself as a starter almost immediately, says everyone else is still battling for spots

lawson has 2 years eligibility hunter said he'd be shocked if he uses both, he'll be a 1 and done & in the NBA next season... the had an open practice last week and everyone said he was on another level than everyone else and tulanes roster (and tulanes roster is full of starting grad transfers from other school)

"He was an inefficient, high usage rate player on a bad {Cal} team and an inefficient, low minute reserve for an inconsistent KU team."
same could be said about charlie moore who also transferred to and out of KU like lawson last season..he was doing like 24 a game for depaul in their foreign tour

i don't have a dog in the fight but that's a clear example of coach speak and it's most certainly the case with ron hunter

i noted the open practice... everyone that went said kj was on another level..also itd be weird to just single out lawson in coach speak..they have a few touted transfers and ona embo returning etc.. he says only Lawson has solidified himself

KJ was a good player in this league when he was a Freshman and Sophomore. At Kansas, he only averaged around 10 minutes per game, but Kansas was such a mess overall it was hard to judge the players last season and those who ended up transferring out. If Grimes, KJ, and Moore end up doing great at their new schools it is completely reasonable to think Self mismanaged them. One of the biggest issues I have with recruiting these days is recruiting to a number and not the overall system. You want to get the best players available yes, but they need to be a good fit or they aren't going to reach their potential and the team won't be as good. I think the AAC coaches have done a great job with this season. I'm really looking forward to conference play this year.

I think Grimes was used incorrectly. He is going to be great under Coach Sampson at Houston. Sampson will 100% use him correctly. I don't think Moore was ever a good fit. He just wasn't good enough to compete and win spots against the player competition at Kansas. Lastly, I think KJ will be awesome coming back to the AAC. He's got plenty of talent. Given 30+ minutes a game, we already know he was around 12 ppg/8 rpg. He has gotten better and gained more experience. Hunter will use him well and push him to get better. He also won't be playing 2nd fiddle to his brother this season. I wouldn't be surprised if he was an 18+ PPG/10 RPG player.

I have zero issues with your list. I think it's well thought out and some people are taking it a little to serious. Based on what we know now it's very reasonable.

Good list.

With Wiseman #1, is that your prediction he will win POY? I know you mention this is actual rankings and not potential, so not having Cumberland seems to buck a National trend even knowing Wiseman is a #1 pick potential.

Also, just as a Cincy fan, I think and hope, that you have Keith Williams either where he belongs or too high, and you under rate Tre Scott.

(10-15-2019 02:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 01:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 01:14 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  You have Gardner too low.

would you trade npl for gardner on temple?

I love Nate, so it's hard to say yes, but we need better bigs, so probably.

H_LL NO!!!!! Nate impacts the game at both ends. He infuses the team with energy!!

Lester Quinones 31? Should be top 10. By far,, the AAC’s best shooter. At least, top 10.

Kinda surprised USF got 3 in the top 11.... maybe I should have more hope than I have had.

(10-15-2019 12:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:55 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I think giving SMU 5 with waivers included and not mentioning Brandon Rachal who was NJCAA second team (Former Top 150 recruit) as well as Keyshawn Embery Simpson (Arkansas transfer and former 150 recruit) is an oversight.

rachal
we (me or tulsa fans) cant say for certain if Rachal is going to be a starter. ive listened to a few haith preseason interviews

in 2 he goes over the new players, the 1st time he brushes over rachal barely mentioning him, spending most of the time talking about hill..the second time he just said rachal is very good on defense....
im ranking reggie jones because he has said reggie jones can be as impactful as jeffries.

Rachals shooting percentages (despite good production) brings up a question mark aswell
hard to justify him over anyone listed at this points

embry
embry was flatout not good in arkansas..he is known for shooting 3s (his skillset) and did it at 27% his return to tulsa is supposed bring him back to form..he has to show he can return back to his potential before you can rank him....

the smu waivers
kendric davis- would have started at TCU had he stayed (tcu a projected top 50 team), and it was a shook to tcu fans when he left..was very productive in comparison to his minutes last year..

darius mcniell- cal was bad, but cal was still in the pac12, he was a high volume scorer for cal against pac 12 defenses.. he carried cal over an upset over top 25 Washington last season

An update on embery from our message boards:

"(It was an) Old stress tibia fracture that had treatment at ARky but never totally healed. Had repeat surgery and doing well I heard"

(10-16-2019 07:54 AM)kskenyon4 Wrote:  Good list.

With Wiseman #1, is that your prediction he will win POY? I know you mention this is actual rankings and not potential, so not having Cumberland seems to buck a National trend even knowing Wiseman is a #1 pick potential.

Also, just as a Cincy fan, I think and hope, that you have Keith Williams either where he belongs or too high, and you under rate Tre Scott.

Hard to say about Wiseman. He will get so much attention and there is so much depth around him that he probably won't put up supers stats. Cumberland still probably gets POY.

(10-16-2019 10:24 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Lester Quinones 31? Should be top 10. By far,, the AAC’s best shooter. At least, top 10.

penny publicly says baugh has been better
lesters aau percentages are average
Matt Milon is the AAC's best shooter at this point..

(10-16-2019 07:54 AM)kskenyon4 Wrote:  Good list.

With Wiseman #1, is that your prediction he will win POY? I know you mention this is actual rankings and not potential, so not having Cumberland seems to buck a National trend even knowing Wiseman is a #1 pick potential.

Also, just as a Cincy fan, I think and hope, that you have Keith Williams either where he belongs or too high, and you under rate Tre Scott.

i wouldn't call it a buck on the national trend, wiseman is a 1st/2nd team all american by most outlets

and i ranked on who a neutral coach would take, not so much calling poy

2019-20 CBS Sports Preseason All-America teams: College basketball's best and most talented players

Wiseman 2nd team All-American.

(10-15-2019 03:02 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 02:11 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Im not going to debate because most of these guys I only know their names, but the coaches had Gardner 7th based on preseason All-Conference votes. You have him 16th. I think it’s fair to say he’s a little low.

i don't think the list was arranged by votes..or that would mean wiseman was 4th place in voting

the coaches voted him anywhere from 6 to 11... also vital was also 6-11.. i have him 23 on my list

No it was clearly arranged on Votes. The only unanimous was at the top and it was sorted by no other apparent method. If you look at in that lens the order makes complete sense. Normally when these things are done you count up the votes and sort them. I’d like to hear what order they’re in if not. Wiseman in 4th is pretty reasonable.

I'd like to see this updated Pesik.... I tried to tell you about Rachal.

(01-27-2020 05:30 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I'd like to see this updated Pesik.... I tried to tell you about Rachal.

I'm guessing Coach P wouldn't have Gardner 16th.