(10-14-2019 09:13 AM)blazer-J Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 08:52 AM)Knightrogen Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 08:50 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 02:11 AM)Knightrogen Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 12:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  if we don't get the waiver just add UAB...they have a great market, new stadium opening, good facilities, they're piling up Ws in football, and they have a tradition rich hoops program.

nice new stadium opening soon:


nice football support facilities:


tradition rich basketball program:

Nope not UAB... Until they figure out their relationship with Alabama. We are not a paradise for 2nd tier schools in a state. Enough!

Pretty sure they already did...
Research is not hard.

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I think he is referring to the fact that the FB program was reinstated, the practice complex was built and the stadium is under construction.

And that the city basically told Tuscaloosa "get off my lawn" .

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(10-14-2019 09:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 09:13 AM)blazer-J Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 08:52 AM)Knightrogen Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 08:50 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 02:11 AM)Knightrogen Wrote:  Nope not UAB... Until they figure out their relationship with Alabama. We are not a paradise for 2nd tier schools in a state. Enough!

Pretty sure they already did...
Research is not hard.

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Link?

I think he is referring to the fact that the FB program was reinstated, the practice complex was built and the stadium is under construction.

And that the city basically told Tuscaloosa "get off my lawn" .

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Speaking of which, can this entire thread "get off my lawn" and be moved to the off-topic board? It's predictably devolved into a thread about non AAC teams being touted despite the entire premise being a ruse (which has been repeatedly pointed out) and whose single biggest contributor is a self-admitted jokester who's enjoying stirring the pot.



USFFan

(10-14-2019 01:27 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 11:54 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 10:07 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  But Buffalo brings the following Metropolitan Markets...

Buffalo, NY: (Metro: 1,134,210 (US: 49th), CSA: 1,213,668 (US: 44th))
Cleveland, OH: (Metro: 2,057,009 (US: 33rd), CSA: 3,599,264 (US: 17th))
Pittsburgh, PA: (Metro: 2,362,453 (US: 22nd), CSA: 2,659,937 (US: 20th))
Toronto, CA: Metro: 5,928,040 (1st) (largest in Canada... International Flavor)
Rochester, NY: Metro: 1,082,284 (US: 51st) and some of...
Syracuse, NY: ...
Niagara Falls, NY: Metro: 1,134,155 (US: 50th)

And the grand Daddy of them all...

NYC: MSA (2018): 19,979,477[3] (1st), CSA (2018): 22,679,948[4] (1st)

Does large markets always mean more viewers? How's their attendance? What's their facilities like? Do Buffalo Bulls sports have a large following outside of Buffalo? Just curious. They may be a good fit.

Well, when you put it that way, adding Buffalo would seem to be a no-brainer from ESPN's standpoint, if not from Aresco.

Could Buffalo (aka. The State University of New York at Buffalo) grab a large share of the NY State market, with a 21st Century remake of their outdated MAC image, brand, and uniforms?

Most likely they could, as an AAC team with brand new logos, super shiny uniforms & helmets, the whole 9 yards. The only other major FB program in NY State is Syracuse. If New Yorkers can root for Syracuse, and many do, some of them can also root for Buffalo, the FBS king of the statewide SUNY system (current enrollment: 424,051). Buffalo could give those 400,000 plus SUNY students a FB team to cheer for.

People often fail to realize that with rare exceptions, programs often improve, sometimes dramatically when they enter a higher class conference.

For example, Temple only played 2 bowl games during 7 years in the MAC and as an independent, but has played 4 bowl games since joining the Big East/AAC, and has had increased attendance and increasingly televised games.

In the same way, Buffalo might be able to make a quantum leap forward. Right now, Buffalo doesn't have the cachet' that UConn has, but it has a much better FB program, a fine MBB program, and a potential market in the northeast, particularly NY State that could rival that of UConn. Plus, Buffalo would benefit from exposure on ESPN the same way that Tulane has.

All this fancy dancing that Aresco has been doing has started to tick me off, especially the way he's playing so hard to get, like Buffalo isn't good enough to become an AAC member (like they're not as good as ECU?).

Instead of being a tough-nosed negotiator with the BYUs, AFAs and Colorado States of this world, with their long travel distances, I'd like to see Aresco at least start to have open talks with Buffalo or VCU for BB/Olympic sports.

Or add an AFA, since they appear to be open to the idea. This whole "happy with 11 schools" idea while "waiting for godot" seems more like bravado than the actual truth of the situation.

The AAC expansion “go-no go” decision is nothing more than a reflection of ESPN’s valuation of the candidates. ESPN obviously sees no value in adding any of the currently available candidates. So, it’s not Aresco playing hard to get, it’s ESPN who is ultimately the one passing judgement. The rest of the action is simply Aresco trying to make the logistics of the resulting standing pat situation work as best as he can.

(10-14-2019 09:45 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 09:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 09:13 AM)blazer-J Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 08:52 AM)Knightrogen Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 08:50 AM)panama Wrote:  Pretty sure they already did...
Research is not hard.

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Link?

I think he is referring to the fact that the FB program was reinstated, the practice complex was built and the stadium is under construction.

And that the city basically told Tuscaloosa "get off my lawn" .

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Speaking of which, can this entire thread "get off my lawn" and be moved to the off-topic board? It's predictably devolved into a thread about non AAC teams being touted despite the entire premise being a ruse (which has been repeatedly pointed out) and whose single biggest contributor is a self-admitted jokester who's enjoying stirring the pot.



USFFan

Well.played.

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Here's the thing about UAB, the whole thing between the BOT and UAB has been flushed down the toilet. The business leaders and mayor of Birmingham will never let UAB get into the situation they were in before the shutdown. Yes the BOT played a huge part in limiting UAB's potential as a football program but now that the light has been shined on the corruptness that took place the football program is here to stay. The facilities has been or is in the process of being built, the student body has a renewed interest in UAB Football and the Coach Clark has done a tremendous job in promoting the program to the community.

These were things that should have been done a long time ago but it is what it is. UAB Football and athletics in general are in a far better place than it was 5 years ago. Whether or not this leads UAB to a bigger conference with a better financial opportunity or staying in CUSA, the Blazers are here to stay and will be Birmingham's team.

(10-14-2019 12:35 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Here's the thing about UAB, the whole thing between the BOT and UAB has been flushed down the toilet. The business leaders and mayor of Birmingham will never let UAB get into the situation they were in before the shutdown. Yes the BOT played a huge part in limiting UAB's potential as a football program but now that the light has been shined on the corruptness that took place the football program is here to stay. The facilities has been or is in the process of being built, the student body has a renewed interest in UAB Football and the Coach Clark has done a tremendous job in promoting the program to the community.

These were things that should have been done a long time ago but it is what it is. UAB Football and athletics in general are in a far better place than it was 5 years ago. Whether or not this leads UAB to a bigger conference with a better financial opportunity or staying in CUSA, the Blazers are here to stay and will be Birmingham's team.

UAB controls it's own destiny now.

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(10-13-2019 09:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 07:26 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 01:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 09:21 AM)wave97 Wrote:  Old Dominion should be the choice once Bobby Wilder and staff are removed.
*Mid Atlantic location
*Large and active fan base
*Largest and most underserved media market of all potential replacements
*Legendary recruiting region

lol...that "large and active fan base" is averaging 19,664 in attendance this year. CUSA bet big on the potential of several FCS move up schools. Thus far, ODU has largely been a massive bust at the FBS level. I see zero reason the AAC should double down on CUSA's losing bet. If or when ODU actually turns that potential into reality---thats the time to consider adding the Monarchs.

Lol...clearly, you don’t understand economics. Tulane understands what you don’t, as does CUSA.

Lol. I understand economics just fine. Going from 1.4 million a team to $200K a team is the kind of economics most conferences seek to avoid.

Lol...it’s going to hurt when we **** smack you and join the “P6.”

(10-14-2019 02:10 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 11:54 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 10:07 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  But Buffalo brings the following Metropolitan Markets...

Buffalo, NY: (Metro: 1,134,210 (US: 49th), CSA: 1,213,668 (US: 44th))
Cleveland, OH: (Metro: 2,057,009 (US: 33rd), CSA: 3,599,264 (US: 17th))
Pittsburgh, PA: (Metro: 2,362,453 (US: 22nd), CSA: 2,659,937 (US: 20th))
Toronto, CA: Metro: 5,928,040 (1st) (largest in Canada... International Flavor)
Rochester, NY: Metro: 1,082,284 (US: 51st) and some of...
Syracuse, NY: ...
Niagara Falls, NY: Metro: 1,134,155 (US: 50th)

And the grand Daddy of them all...

NYC: MSA (2018): 19,979,477[3] (1st), CSA (2018): 22,679,948[4] (1st)

Does large markets always mean more viewers? How's their attendance? What's their facilities like? Do Buffalo Bulls sports have a large following outside of Buffalo? Just curious. They may be a good fit.

It's NY... So 10% of the state and some of those other Metropolitan areas are more eyeballs than most other FBS locations...

NYS only has Buffalo, Army, and Syracuse playing at the FBS level, and Buffalo is the only Public State University (Flagship of the SUNY System).

(10-14-2019 01:27 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  Well, when you put it that way, adding Buffalo would seem to be a no-brainer from ESPN's standpoint, if not from Aresco.

Could Buffalo (aka. The State University of New York at Buffalo) grab a large share of the NY State market, with a 21st Century remake of their outdated MAC image, brand, and uniforms?

Most likely they could, as an AAC team with brand new logos, super shiny uniforms & helmets, the whole 9 yards. The only other major FB program in NY State is Syracuse. If New Yorkers can root for Syracuse, and many do, some of them can also root for Buffalo, the FBS king of the statewide SUNY system (current enrollment: 424,051). Buffalo could give those 400,000 plus SUNY students a FB team to cheer for.

People often fail to realize that with rare exceptions, programs often improve, sometimes dramatically when they enter a higher class conference.

For example, Temple only played 2 bowl games during 7 years in the MAC and as an independent, but has played 4 bowl games since joining the Big East/AAC, and has had increased attendance and increasingly televised games.

In the same way, Buffalo might be able to make a quantum leap forward. Right now, Buffalo doesn't have the cachet' that UConn has, but it has a much better FB program, a fine MBB program, and a potential market in the northeast, particularly NY State that could rival that of UConn. Plus, Buffalo would benefit from exposure on ESPN the same way that Tulane has.

All this fancy dancing that Aresco has been doing has started to tick me off, especially the way he's playing so hard to get, like Buffalo isn't good enough to become an AAC member (like they're not as good as ECU?).

Instead of being a tough-nosed negotiator with the BYUs, AFAs and Colorado States of this world, with their long travel distances, I'd like to see Aresco at least start to have open talks with Buffalo or VCU for BB/Olympic sports.

Or add an AFA, since they appear to be open to the idea. This whole "happy with 11 schools" idea while "waiting for godot" seems more like bravado than the actual truth of the situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University...#Athletics
Buffalo is much more than just another State Flagship, they are an outstanding Accademic University (AAU, R1).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bulls#Football

Buffalo doesn't have a log history at the D1 FBS level, they made the move to FBS in 1998, but they do have incredible potential.

Don't believe that any of the University Presidents would hesitate for a second in welcoming Buffalo to the AAC.

And yes, ESPN wold't mind Buffalo either, tons of eyeballs ($$$, a monster compared to UConn) as far as potential viewership.

It's worth noting that a Buffalo game against Toledo was simulcast on WRGZ (Local NBC affiliate) and it did really well

https://www.ubbullrun.com/2018/10/22/180...z-coverage

It had a preliminary 7.8 rating on WGRZ-TV (Channel 2). The rating peaked near game’s end at 11.3.

It beat out any other college football in the market that day, it had better numbers than the Sabres get, and managed to get a quarter of the share which the Bills usually pull in.

Of all the games on TV, outside of Buffalo / Toledo the second highest-rated contest was a 3.3 on channel 7’s broadcast of the Ohio State / Purdue game.

The only things that day in Buffalo which managed better ratings was the local and national news.

(10-22-2019 02:29 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 02:10 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 11:54 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 10:07 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  But Buffalo brings the following Metropolitan Markets...

Buffalo, NY: (Metro: 1,134,210 (US: 49th), CSA: 1,213,668 (US: 44th))
Cleveland, OH: (Metro: 2,057,009 (US: 33rd), CSA: 3,599,264 (US: 17th))
Pittsburgh, PA: (Metro: 2,362,453 (US: 22nd), CSA: 2,659,937 (US: 20th))
Toronto, CA: Metro: 5,928,040 (1st) (largest in Canada... International Flavor)
Rochester, NY: Metro: 1,082,284 (US: 51st) and some of...
Syracuse, NY: ...
Niagara Falls, NY: Metro: 1,134,155 (US: 50th)

And the grand Daddy of them all...

NYC: MSA (2018): 19,979,477[3] (1st), CSA (2018): 22,679,948[4] (1st)

Does large markets always mean more viewers? How's their attendance? What's their facilities like? Do Buffalo Bulls sports have a large following outside of Buffalo? Just curious. They may be a good fit.

It's NY... So 10% of the state and some of those other Metropolitan areas are more eyeballs than most other FBS locations...

NYS only has Buffalo, Army, and Syracuse playing at the FBS level, and Buffalo is the only Public State University (Flagship of the SUNY System).

(10-14-2019 01:27 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  Well, when you put it that way, adding Buffalo would seem to be a no-brainer from ESPN's standpoint, if not from Aresco.

Could Buffalo (aka. The State University of New York at Buffalo) grab a large share of the NY State market, with a 21st Century remake of their outdated MAC image, brand, and uniforms?

Most likely they could, as an AAC team with brand new logos, super shiny uniforms & helmets, the whole 9 yards. The only other major FB program in NY State is Syracuse. If New Yorkers can root for Syracuse, and many do, some of them can also root for Buffalo, the FBS king of the statewide SUNY system (current enrollment: 424,051). Buffalo could give those 400,000 plus SUNY students a FB team to cheer for.

People often fail to realize that with rare exceptions, programs often improve, sometimes dramatically when they enter a higher class conference.

For example, Temple only played 2 bowl games during 7 years in the MAC and as an independent, but has played 4 bowl games since joining the Big East/AAC, and has had increased attendance and increasingly televised games.

In the same way, Buffalo might be able to make a quantum leap forward. Right now, Buffalo doesn't have the cachet' that UConn has, but it has a much better FB program, a fine MBB program, and a potential market in the northeast, particularly NY State that could rival that of UConn. Plus, Buffalo would benefit from exposure on ESPN the same way that Tulane has.

All this fancy dancing that Aresco has been doing has started to tick me off, especially the way he's playing so hard to get, like Buffalo isn't good enough to become an AAC member (like they're not as good as ECU?).

Instead of being a tough-nosed negotiator with the BYUs, AFAs and Colorado States of this world, with their long travel distances, I'd like to see Aresco at least start to have open talks with Buffalo or VCU for BB/Olympic sports.

Or add an AFA, since they appear to be open to the idea. This whole "happy with 11 schools" idea while "waiting for godot" seems more like bravado than the actual truth of the situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University...#Athletics
Buffalo is much more than just another State Flagship, they are an outstanding Accademic University (AAU, R1).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bulls#Football

Buffalo doesn't have a log history at the D1 FBS level, they made the move to FBS in 1998, but they do have incredible potential.

Don't believe that any of the University Presidents would hesitate for a second in welcoming Buffalo to the AAC.

And yes, ESPN wold't mind Buffalo either, tons of eyeballs ($$$, a monster compared to UConn) as far as potential viewership.

It's worth noting that a Buffalo game against Toledo was simulcast on WRGZ (Local NBC affiliate) and it did really well

https://www.ubbullrun.com/2018/10/22/180...z-coverage

It had a preliminary 7.8 rating on WGRZ-TV (Channel 2). The rating peaked near game’s end at 11.3.

It beat out any other college football in the market that day, it had better numbers than the Sabres get, and managed to get a quarter of the share which the Bills usually pull in.

Of all the games on TV, outside of Buffalo / Toledo the second highest-rated contest was a 3.3 on channel 7’s broadcast of the Ohio State / Purdue game.

The only things that day in Buffalo which managed better ratings was the local and national news.

Great stuff! I wish that this hadn't been classified as "Off-Topic."

I mean the "topic" is AAC conference sports, and that's what this thread is all about.

Instead of calling it "off-topic," there should be a separate category for discussions about the future of the conference.

I think the number 1 issue going forward with expansion candidates for the AAC is whether or not additional service academies want to join. Are Army and Air Force interested? Does the AAC even want to go that route? Do they truly make the conference stronger?

#2 issue is Boise State. They are the strongest G5 candidate out there. They would undoubtedly make football stronger and be a splash addition. Too bad the geography sucks

#3 If #1 and #2 are no-gos, then start looking local. UAB, Old Dominion, Georgia State. I would keep to the south though. Football is strongest in the South. (No adding Buffalo or UMass)

(11-03-2019 10:41 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I think the number 1 issue going forward with expansion candidates for the AAC is whether or not additional service academies want to join. Are Army and Air Force interested? Does the AAC even want to go that route? Do they truly make the conference stronger?

#2 issue is Boise State. They are the strongest G5 candidate out there. They would undoubtedly make football stronger and be a splash addition. Too bad the geography sucks

#3 If #1 and #2 are no-gos, then start looking local. UAB, Old Dominion, Georgia State. I would keep to the south though. Football is strongest in the South. (No adding Buffalo or UMass)

1) There is a huge consensus for Air Force on these message board threads. Army hasn't shown enough interest at this point, but that could change down the road if Air Force joins the conference.

2) Boise State - If they were interested, we'd have probably heard it by now. Not sure if they have the kind of brand that the AAC most prefers, despite FB success. Has Aresco ever mentioned them?

3) None of the southern schools you've mentioned has the necessary combination of factors that Aresco says are vital. The only southern school (actually in the great plains region of Texas) that might fit the desired profile could be Rice University, with its strong academics & research, AAU status, and history of membership in a power conference (the late great SWC dominated by the top Texas teams).

Rice probably wouldn't be added with their mediocre FB and BB programs, but have much more panache and cachet (brand recognition and history) than the other C-USA and Sunbelt schools. They do have a great baseball program, and they could invest a lot more $$ to improve their FB/BB programs with the infusion of AAC cash, the way Tulane FB has done.

Besides, what distinguishes the AAC is that it is the largest multi-regional conference in the nation. That is our brand, and why the name "American" fits the conference so well. Adding another southern FB school would be a mistake. It would be much better to add a MWC team (esp Air Force), to cover nearly the whole country in the conference footprint & expand marketplace further.

If not a MWC team, then the next best choice would probably be either Army or Buffalo. Buffalo would be a likely all-sports replacement for UConn with their solilc basketball program. Buffalo is a large State Flagship school, with fine academics, research, and AAU status, and is the sole FBS representative of the SUNY system with a total enrollment of 440,000. Moreover, if Buffalo were to join the AAC, it would gain a lot more national exposure and could reinvent its brand image the way that Oregon did with their amazing uniforms and its facilities.

The NYS and northeastern U.S. is one of the largest TV viewership regions in the nation, and as NY State's flagship school, Buffalo would help to retain interest and market share in that part of the country.

*snicker*

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(10-13-2019 09:21 AM)wave97 Wrote:  Old Dominion should be the choice once Bobby Wilder and staff are removed.
*Mid Atlantic location
*Large and active fan base
*Largest and most underserved media market of all potential replacements
*Legendary recruiting region

Lol

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AF football only is the best/only choice really...

Rinse repeat

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If we're talking about C-USA and Sun Belt schools, Georgia State by far makes the most sense. Huge school in a huge metro area in a huge recruiting hot bed with new/renovated facilities. Only question is how long does it take them to be competitive in the AAC? They've been alternating between mediocre and awful since stepping up to FBS.