(09-28-2019 09:42 PM)ODU2011 Wrote: Yes! There were multiple times he was late or chose not to throw. Opportunities were there. 78! Stop making excuses, it was smart and the coaches for not making a change.
What change?
Play calling. Force him to take a shot. You have to try something else. Doing the same thing over and over with failure is insanity.
Im not sure you cann”make” him take shots. There are shots built into playcalls but you have to have the right defense called, blocking, and WR to throw to.
There were at at least 4 plays were shots were clearly the number 1 read. 1 of them the TE missed a block and Smartt scrambled. 1 ECU dropped into quarters. 1 of them the slot WR was gaining a step but Smartt waited too long and got hit as he threw (2nd Int). And the big play to Fitz.
We’re getting a little in the weeds here, but you can certainly take him out for a play or two if he refuses to make the throw. Either way he missed reads and had guys open early. He’s got the talent, wonder if it’s a confidence thing.
The answer to our offense is not to put in the inferior QB. Again, some of it is obviously Smartt, some of it is a very lackluster WR core, especially without Kumah
(09-28-2019 07:41 PM)ODU2011 Wrote: Well Bobby will be happy, he avoided another blow out. I’m close to walking away until we get some changes.
Be prepared to wait for at least 14-26 months before that happens.
See ya!
I know this could just be a reactive statement in the heat of the moment. I just wanted to let you know I was very close to where you are with all of this too. I am a basketball-first type fan, and I wasn't even going to buy season tickets this year because of the results. Then I realized something - going away and not giving is actually going to make it more difficult for the administration to replace the coaching staff. They need our money. My suggestion is to 1 - don't listen to what the coaches and eternal optimists here have to say, because so far they have always been wrong, and 2 - adjust your expectations and understand we are going to suck until he's gone. Any win is a bonus. Unfortunately I got caught in the hype after hanging with VT and UVA. Turns out VT is actually garbage, and UVA didn't really feel like playing until the 2nd half.
Hence my presseason prediction of 3 wins is looking pretty solid right now, except now I wonder if we can even beat WKU and Charlotte.
Thing is most people are not going to keep paying for this is we dont improve and start winning. So if the admin cant afford to fire him, it's not going to get any easier if people quit paying to go to games and we lose even more revenue.
There are tons of WRs at the FCS level that can get open and make plays. Why do we, as an FBS school, only have one (a transfer who was hurt last night?) That is the heart of the problem. We simply haven't recruited enough talent there over the years.
It's not really the players' fault except it appears that they are in over their heads. I can imagine that Smartt's abilities served him well at the JUCO level. However, he's simply not going to always be able to outrun FBS linebackers consistently, especially when they know you can't throw. No disrespect to Smartt, who is very good at what he does, but in today's football, if you don't have a QB who can throw, you don't have a QB. There are some very good passing QBs at the FCS level. How is it that we can recruit at the FBS level and not find one in three years? That fact alone will stall a program for a long time.
Oh, and the "new players" excuse is growing tiresome. The season is nearly half over. At some point, they aren't "new" anymore, so they need to step up and deliver.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm ready to give DeWeaver a chance. Let him start, but keep him on a short leash. Let's see what he can do in an actual game situation. Let's face it, without DeMarco getting hurt we wouldn't have seen TH. Sometimes coaches are not fully aware of who is waiting in the wings.
This place will erupt if DeWeaver goes in and performs. Another season after 4 games a new QB comes in and should have been the starter? Like... full on melt down.
I counter your argument 78 with Williams. All of his catchers were him coming back to his QB to be available. He understands what is needed because of the role reversal. Him and Patterson appear to be the best two WR outside of Kumah.
I'm doubling down on my assessment. Smartt is gun shy unless he's in a panic or the receiver is not clearly and without a doubt open. He's only lead receivers to a open throw or hit them in stride a couple of times. But it's not for a lack of talent or ability. Maybe a confidence thing? shrug. either way we live and die this season by a QB being able to keep defenses honest and until that changes we're going to continue to see 20+ runs from Smartt.
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(09-29-2019 12:34 PM)bit_9 Wrote: This place will erupt if DeWeaver goes in and performs. Another season after 4 games a new QB comes in and should have been the starter? Like... full on melt down.
I counter your argument 78 with Williams. All of his catchers were him coming back to his QB to be available. He understands what is needed because of the role reversal. Him and Patterson appear to be the best two WR outside of Kumah.
I'm doubling down on my assessment. Smartt is gun shy unless he's in a panic or the receiver is not clearly and without a doubt open. He's only lead receivers to a open throw or hit them in stride a couple of times. But it's not for a lack of talent or ability. Maybe a confidence thing? shrug. either way we live and die this season by a QB being able to keep defenses honest and until that changes we're going to continue to see 20+ runs from Smartt.
He doesn't see wide open receivers. Granted the O-line isn't helping, but even then Smartt doesn't scan the field, it seems that he looks for 1 receiver... he's covered? ok,.. gotta run.
Unless we catch lightning in a bottle within the next 4 weeks, Let's have Wolff finish the season. If he's the QB of the future, let him get in this year and take some lumps.
I don't understand how the refs seem to consistently screw ODU when the play ECU. Last year they cost us the game, and this year, we deserved to lose, but with a few of the lucky breaks we got, we still had a chance and likely would have gotten a lucky win if not for the refs. Why did the refs blow the play dead when our guy was running for a TD? Let it play out and then review it. How do the refs justify not counting Smartts TD/fumble, but on the exact same thing for ECU they call a TD? Neither play was confirmed, just letting the call on the field stand. That drove me nuts.
Lastly, can anyone tell me why its a better idea to go for it in the 4th quarter, on 4th down when you have the lead, on the road and need to make a yard but the same coach thinks its a bad idea to go for it on 4th and an inch, at home, when down in the 4th?
(09-29-2019 01:14 PM)monarx Wrote: I don't understand how the refs seem to consistently screw ODU when the play ECU. Last year they cost us the game, and this year, we deserved to lose, but with a few of the lucky breaks we got, we still had a chance and likely would have gotten a lucky win if not for the refs. Why did the refs blow the play dead when our guy was running for a TD? Let it play out and then review it. How do the refs justify not counting Smartts TD/fumble, but on the exact same thing for ECU they call a TD? Neither play was confirmed, just letting the call on the field stand. That drove me nuts.
Lastly, can anyone tell me why its a better idea to go for it in the 4th quarter, on 4th down when you have the lead, on the road and need to make a yard but the same coach thinks its a bad idea to go for it on 4th and an inch, at home, when down in the 4th?
I had a guy in my row complain about the same. His buddy shut him down by telling him he'd complained--loudly--for seven days about the former, and apparently his voice had been heard, so don't start about the latter.
(09-29-2019 01:14 PM)monarx Wrote: I don't understand how the refs seem to consistently screw ODU when the play ECU. Last year they cost us the game, and this year, we deserved to lose, but with a few of the lucky breaks we got, we still had a chance and likely would have gotten a lucky win if not for the refs. Why did the refs blow the play dead when our guy was running for a TD? Let it play out and then review it. How do the refs justify not counting Smartts TD/fumble, but on the exact same thing for ECU they call a TD? Neither play was confirmed, just letting the call on the field stand. That drove me nuts.
Lastly, can anyone tell me why its a better idea to go for it in the 4th quarter, on 4th down when you have the lead, on the road and need to make a yard but the same coach thinks its a bad idea to go for it on 4th and an inch, at home, when down in the 4th?
I had a guy in my row complain about the same. His buddy shut him down by telling him he'd complained--loudly--for seven days about the former, and apparently his voice had been heard, so don't start about the latter.
Big difference in doing it when you have a lead verses being down though.
(09-26-2019 07:07 PM)Grommet Wrote: GIVEN that this team has improved each week, and
GIVEN that Vegas has been off by two TDs each game, and
GIVEN that I damn well want to,
I HEREBY DECREE the final score will be ODU 31 ECU 14
Everything goes right for once. This is not VT or UVA. If we come to play like we did for those games K White kills a man and we all walk away smiling.
I can't even listen to Wilder anymore. Always some spin on crap that is just of ton of excuses and 'just wait until we settle down', 'it's the process', etc., etc., it just gets old. I would rather hear, 'we got our butt kicked, on our home field, in front of our supportive fans. Period.'
I prefer just go out there next week and kick somebody's butt, especially on our home field. ECU's offense looked interesting, different sets, different looks -- which our defense did reasonably well against, but at least they did different things. Special Teams -- pathetic, the blocked punt for 6 looked worse than sandlot football.
Still my team, but C'mon, let's get this garbage cleaned up, especially at Ballard Stadium.
I can't even listen to Wilder anymore. Always some spin on crap that is just of ton of excuses and 'just wait until we settle down', 'it's the process', etc., etc., it just gets old. I would rather hear, 'we got our butt kicked, on our home field, in front of our supportive fans. Period.'
I prefer just go out there next week and kick somebody's butt, especially on our home field. ECU's offense looked interesting, different sets, different looks -- which our defense did reasonably well against, but at least they did different things. Special Teams -- pathetic, the blocked punt for 6 looked worse than sandlot football.
Still my team, but C'mon, let's get this garbage cleaned up, especially at Ballard Stadium.
In game one, I can buy the excuses. But the season is nearly half over and getting a Bowl bid this year would take a small miracle. It's been 3 years of the same old same old. How long does this "process" take?
I can't even listen to Wilder anymore. Always some spin on crap that is just of ton of excuses and 'just wait until we settle down', 'it's the process', etc., etc., it just gets old. I would rather hear, 'we got our butt kicked, on our home field, in front of our supportive fans. Period.'
I prefer just go out there next week and kick somebody's butt, especially on our home field. ECU's offense looked interesting, different sets, different looks -- which our defense did reasonably well against, but at least they did different things. Special Teams -- pathetic, the blocked punt for 6 looked worse than sandlot football.
Still my team, but C'mon, let's get this garbage cleaned up, especially at Ballard Stadium.
In game one, I can buy the excuses. But the season is nearly half over and getting a Bowl bid this year would take a small miracle. It's been 3 years of the same old same old. How long does this "process" take?
You gotta love Ted's comment at 3:46, "This Thursday at 6:00"
I know I will be there
I can't even listen to Wilder anymore. Always some spin on crap that is just of ton of excuses and 'just wait until we settle down', 'it's the process', etc., etc., it just gets old. I would rather hear, 'we got our butt kicked, on our home field, in front of our supportive fans. Period.'
I prefer just go out there next week and kick somebody's butt, especially on our home field. ECU's offense looked interesting, different sets, different looks -- which our defense did reasonably well against, but at least they did different things. Special Teams -- pathetic, the blocked punt for 6 looked worse than sandlot football.
Still my team, but C'mon, let's get this garbage cleaned up, especially at Ballard Stadium.
In game one, I can buy the excuses. But the season is nearly half over and getting a Bowl bid this year would take a small miracle. It's been 3 years of the same old same old. How long does this "process" take?
You gotta love Ted's comment at 3:46, "This Thursday at 6:00"
I know I will be there
Apparently, the fumble was not overturned because one of the cameras on ECUs side was down.
I guess the other 2 cameras showing Smartt laying in the end zone were not enough. The ball cannot be across the goaline and it be a fumble. It has to be either A) his knee was down or B) Touchdown
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ODU vs ECU 9/28 Final: ODU 21, ECU 24
