(07-26-2019 02:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 12:31 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 09:18 AM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 08:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  The Pizza Hut tickets may have been free to the customers, but they were paid for by Pizza Hut. So they would count as tickets sold.

Are you sure they were paid for by Pizza Hut? Also, I know that free tickets were given out to the many military (5) bases ( Randloph) (Lackland) (BAMC) ( Ft Sam) ( Camp Bullis) we have in SA. They were also given out to USAA for free & hospitals for free. Those were given for free for sure. I know a few games, especially non conference the numbers were pretty accurate, when we had P5’s here especially & Texas St. I think you have to be careful with the free tickets. A lot of seniors & others got a ton of free tickets numerous times.

So where did Pizza Hut get the tickets to give away? Fell off a truck?

I used to sponsor free tickets for youth groups. I paid for the tickets and Rice sent them directly to the youth groups.

I have been a senior citizen for quite some time now and never got a free ticket. Just lots of requests for me to buy tickets to be given away.

The "free" tickets likely were discounted, but not to the point of not counting as paid tickets sold.

They can be a part of promotion. If Pizza Hut uses our logo & name as a part of selling pizza in the city with a population of near 3 million we will provide “X” amount of free tickets to go with the pizza or for every 10 tickets you get 10 free. There are tons of ways free tickets are dispersed. I don’t know for sure with regards to Pizza Hut. But for military & seniors, yes thousands of free tickets are given out every year.

No money exchanges hands?

I am sure that if, say, I owned an auto dealership and wanted tickets to give away to anybody who came in to look, I would have to pay something for them.

***A good slogan for my auto dealership might be something like "I am optimistic that your new car will last a while and oh, by the way, have some free tickets to a Rice game.

For military & hospitals & seniors at the school or to youth groups in a lot of cases, no. For a Pizza Hut or a big biz, I dunno. Regardless, if promotion is involved such as is with Pizza Hut, there could be a different way of selling. Like I said if they buy 10, they could get 10 free. Or out of 100 they purchase they get 10 free. I’m guessing free tickets will be included in a deal. Just like if you buy a large pizza with a 2 liter you get 2 UTSA Football tickets. It’s not brain surgery.

(07-26-2019 02:58 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 02:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 12:31 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 09:18 AM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Are you sure they were paid for by Pizza Hut? Also, I know that free tickets were given out to the many military (5) bases ( Randloph) (Lackland) (BAMC) ( Ft Sam) ( Camp Bullis) we have in SA. They were also given out to USAA for free & hospitals for free. Those were given for free for sure. I know a few games, especially non conference the numbers were pretty accurate, when we had P5’s here especially & Texas St. I think you have to be careful with the free tickets. A lot of seniors & others got a ton of free tickets numerous times.

So where did Pizza Hut get the tickets to give away? Fell off a truck?

I used to sponsor free tickets for youth groups. I paid for the tickets and Rice sent them directly to the youth groups.

I have been a senior citizen for quite some time now and never got a free ticket. Just lots of requests for me to buy tickets to be given away.

The "free" tickets likely were discounted, but not to the point of not counting as paid tickets sold.

They can be a part of promotion. If Pizza Hut uses our logo & name as a part of selling pizza in the city with a population of near 3 million we will provide “X” amount of free tickets to go with the pizza or for every 10 tickets you get 10 free. There are tons of ways free tickets are dispersed. I don’t know for sure with regards to Pizza Hut. But for military & seniors, yes thousands of free tickets are given out every year.

No money exchanges hands?

I am sure that if, say, I owned an auto dealership and wanted tickets to give away to anybody who came in to look, I would have to pay something for them.

***A good slogan for my auto dealership might be something like "I am optimistic that your new car will last a while and oh, by the way, have some free tickets to a Rice game.

For military & hospitals & seniors at the school or to youth groups in a lot of cases, no. For a Pizza Hut or a big biz, I dunno. Regardless, if promotion is involved such as is with Pizza Hut, there could be a different way of selling. Like I said if they buy 10, they could get 10 free. Or out of 100 they purchase they get 10 free. I’m guessing free tickets will be included in a deal. Just like if you buy a large pizza with a 2 liter you get 2 UTSA Football tickets. It’s not brain surgery.

Tickets given away as a promo are still counted as tickets sold to the school. Who you trying to snow, here? The school would be crazy not to add in every source of ticket revenue and usage they can. And the business will want to write those promotions off so they will need a receipt for the tickets, even for the free senior tickets. Someone is sponsoring that. Next.

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 02:58 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 02:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 12:31 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So where did Pizza Hut get the tickets to give away? Fell off a truck?

I used to sponsor free tickets for youth groups. I paid for the tickets and Rice sent them directly to the youth groups.

I have been a senior citizen for quite some time now and never got a free ticket. Just lots of requests for me to buy tickets to be given away.

The "free" tickets likely were discounted, but not to the point of not counting as paid tickets sold.

They can be a part of promotion. If Pizza Hut uses our logo & name as a part of selling pizza in the city with a population of near 3 million we will provide “X” amount of free tickets to go with the pizza or for every 10 tickets you get 10 free. There are tons of ways free tickets are dispersed. I don’t know for sure with regards to Pizza Hut. But for military & seniors, yes thousands of free tickets are given out every year.

No money exchanges hands?

I am sure that if, say, I owned an auto dealership and wanted tickets to give away to anybody who came in to look, I would have to pay something for them.

***A good slogan for my auto dealership might be something like "I am optimistic that your new car will last a while and oh, by the way, have some free tickets to a Rice game.

For military & hospitals & seniors at the school or to youth groups in a lot of cases, no. For a Pizza Hut or a big biz, I dunno. Regardless, if promotion is involved such as is with Pizza Hut, there could be a different way of selling. Like I said if they buy 10, they could get 10 free. Or out of 100 they purchase they get 10 free. I’m guessing free tickets will be included in a deal. Just like if you buy a large pizza with a 2 liter you get 2 UTSA Football tickets. It’s not brain surgery.

Tickets given away as a promo are still counted as tickets sold to the school. Who you trying to snow, here? The school would be crazy not to add in every source of ticket revenue and usage they can. And the business will want to write those promotions off so they will need a receipt for the tickets, even for the free senior tickets. Someone is sponsoring that. Next.

Snow? What does that mean? Free admission & tickets are different. I dunno why this is so hard to understand. Tickets given to Pizza Hut or military, hospital etc are sometimes not even actual tickets. I’ve seen the free admission they have given to the hospital for years. They are obviously different than the normal tickets. Like sometimes you just show your military ID to get in, or you show your school ID, or if you work at “this place with an ID” you get in. They obviously don’t know the number beforehand that will attend the game so those are not paid for.

(07-24-2019 10:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  WKUYG, you have some serious jealous issues with UTSA and UTEP.

CFN did this report on the numbers reported to the NCAA. Get over it. I wish you were more concerned with WKU's FCS level of support. Especially considering the two year run you had and Top 25 finish.

The day WKU gets a sellout (52k) for not just one or two but multiple conference games or even better average 48k on an 8 win season then he can give us a hard time. Until then, he just needs to stfu.

UTEP has always had a core of about 28k fans who used to show regardless and the numbers match the attendance record dating all the way to the 80s but Kugler alienated half of them. Hopefully Dimel can right the ship and bring those fans back. But until then it is what it is.

Another thing, the day most of the MAC, Sun Belt and even on this conference lose their FBS status due to attendance crackdown from the NCAA then I’ll worry. There’s at least 25-30 G5 schools ahead of UTEP who would get the ax.....including WKU.

(07-27-2019 12:19 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-24-2019 10:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  WKUYG, you have some serious jealous issues with UTSA and UTEP.

CFN did this report on the numbers reported to the NCAA. Get over it. I wish you were more concerned with WKU's FCS level of support. Especially considering the two year run you had and Top 25 finish.

The day WKU gets a sellout (52k) for not just one or two but multiple conference games or even better average 48k on an 8 win season then he can give us a hard time. Until then, he just needs to stfu.

UTEP has always had a core of about 28k fans who used to show regardless and the numbers match the attendance record dating all the way to the 80s but Kugler alienated half of them. Hopefully Dimel can right the ship and bring those fans back. But until then it is what it is.

Another thing, the day most of the MAC, Sun Belt and even on this conference lose their FBS status due to attendance crackdown from the NCAA then I’ll worry. There’s at least 25-30 G5 schools ahead of UTEP who would get the ax.....including WKU.

There is nothing you said in that post that matters one damn bit to what I pointed out. Also it seems like I hurt your feelings, if so I apologize. Just so you understand exactly what I pointed out...

going by UTEP's own records that was reported to the NCAA. There is zero chance that 5 year avg is correct and it was the only point I was making.

Now...

I'm sorry UTEP doesnt have anywhere close to a core base of 28k. You might have years and years ago but not in the last 5. Core base means shows up no matter what. To say you lost half of that core under your former coach is ridiculous. If they stayed under Price who had 7 losing seasons in a row. UTEP would still have most of that core. And If UTEP had that core there would be no need to basically give away thousands of tickets and have $5 GA tickets. UTEP made 3.6 million dollars off tickets sold in 2005 and that includes basketball with a listed avg of 10,405 fan a game and a total of 187,298 fans for all home games.

So if your avg basketball ticket was $10 A TICKET that's $1,872,980 ON BASKETBALL. $10 ticket wouldnt get you a seat at the top row at most basketball schools

So you have $3,639,657 (tickets sold in all sports) - $1,872,980 for basketball at $10 a ticket = $1,766,677 money left for every other ticket sold at UTEP/rest of the sports. With a 48,000 avg in football for 6 games, a total of 288,000 football fans that is a avg ticket price of $6.11. Even back in 2005 I doubt a GA top of the stadium ticket would be $6

So again the box score numbers are not correct or like I said...UTEP is giving away thousands and thousands of tickets. I will let you choose which one is correct. Years and years ago no one could get these facts but today they are a few mouse clicks away and any avg Joe can look at them. When you do its clear the listed attendance was inflated or a lot of Dollar night sports...for all

Western isnt on that list of 25 other schools. There is not one fact that you can show me where Western was under 15k since joining FBS. That goes for butts in seats...not make believe numbers in box scores

(07-26-2019 07:12 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says attendance is an issue in the SEC

Not really. And I have other rooting interests besides the SEC.

(07-27-2019 02:51 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 07:12 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says attendance is an issue in the SEC

Not really. And I have other rooting interests besides the SEC.

https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/sto...280185002/


https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail...s/SEC.aspx

The SEC saw a "drop of more than 2,400 fans per game last season, which was the biggest decline of any Power Five conference." The entire FBS lost an "average of about 1,400 fans per game" in '17.

clt says don’t ever let facts get in the way, pal

(07-26-2019 10:21 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 02:58 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 02:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 12:31 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  They can be a part of promotion. If Pizza Hut uses our logo & name as a part of selling pizza in the city with a population of near 3 million we will provide “X” amount of free tickets to go with the pizza or for every 10 tickets you get 10 free. There are tons of ways free tickets are dispersed. I don’t know for sure with regards to Pizza Hut. But for military & seniors, yes thousands of free tickets are given out every year.

No money exchanges hands?

I am sure that if, say, I owned an auto dealership and wanted tickets to give away to anybody who came in to look, I would have to pay something for them.

***A good slogan for my auto dealership might be something like "I am optimistic that your new car will last a while and oh, by the way, have some free tickets to a Rice game.

For military & hospitals & seniors at the school or to youth groups in a lot of cases, no. For a Pizza Hut or a big biz, I dunno. Regardless, if promotion is involved such as is with Pizza Hut, there could be a different way of selling. Like I said if they buy 10, they could get 10 free. Or out of 100 they purchase they get 10 free. I’m guessing free tickets will be included in a deal. Just like if you buy a large pizza with a 2 liter you get 2 UTSA Football tickets. It’s not brain surgery.

Tickets given away as a promo are still counted as tickets sold to the school. Who you trying to snow, here? The school would be crazy not to add in every source of ticket revenue and usage they can. And the business will want to write those promotions off so they will need a receipt for the tickets, even for the free senior tickets. Someone is sponsoring that. Next.

Snow? What does that mean? Free admission & tickets are different. I dunno why this is so hard to understand. Tickets given to Pizza Hut or military, hospital etc are sometimes not even actual tickets. I’ve seen the free admission they have given to the hospital for years. They are obviously different than the normal tickets. Like sometimes you just show your military ID to get in, or you show your school ID, or if you work at “this place with an ID” you get in. They obviously don’t know the number beforehand that will attend the game so those are not paid for.

The free tickets I sponsored were paid for...by me.

I think if money goes into the school's coffers, then the tickets are paid.

I don't know about tickets for military et al, but one time I gave my season tickets(very definitely paid for) to an injured Houston firefighter. I wonder why he would have wanted them if he got free admission at the gate.

I know Marshall had pretty bad turn out for the CUSA Championship (Marshall first CUSA title), maybe 20k

Tech had 6 defensive starters suspended; Marshall came from behind in the 4th and won by 3

(07-27-2019 09:41 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  I know Marshall had pretty bad turn out for the CUSA Championship (Marshall first CUSA title), maybe 20k

Tech had 6 defensive starters suspended; Marshall came from behind in the 4th and won by 3

23,711 for that game.

(07-27-2019 05:42 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  The SEC saw a "drop of more than 2,400 fans per game last season, which was the biggest decline of any Power Five conference." The entire FBS lost an "average of about 1,400 fans per game" in '17.

clt says don’t ever let facts get in the way, pal

It is a problem for some SEC schools, but I haven't heard it being a league-wide problem yet. Sheesh, even Alabama was considering downsizing it's stadium- I'm surprised CLT didn't put a link to that as well.

(07-27-2019 01:07 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 12:19 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-24-2019 10:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  WKUYG, you have some serious jealous issues with UTSA and UTEP.

CFN did this report on the numbers reported to the NCAA. Get over it. I wish you were more concerned with WKU's FCS level of support. Especially considering the two year run you had and Top 25 finish.

The day WKU gets a sellout (52k) for not just one or two but multiple conference games or even better average 48k on an 8 win season then he can give us a hard time. Until then, he just needs to stfu.

UTEP has always had a core of about 28k fans who used to show regardless and the numbers match the attendance record dating all the way to the 80s but Kugler alienated half of them. Hopefully Dimel can right the ship and bring those fans back. But until then it is what it is.

Another thing, the day most of the MAC, Sun Belt and even on this conference lose their FBS status due to attendance crackdown from the NCAA then I’ll worry. There’s at least 25-30 G5 schools ahead of UTEP who would get the ax.....including WKU.

There is nothing you said in that post that matters one damn bit to what I pointed out. Also it seems like I hurt your feelings, if so I apologize. Just so you understand exactly what I pointed out...

going by UTEP's own records that was reported to the NCAA. There is zero chance that 5 year avg is correct and it was the only point I was making.

Now...

I'm sorry UTEP doesnt have anywhere close to a core base of 28k. You might have years and years ago but not in the last 5. Core base means shows up no matter what. To say you lost half of that core under your former coach is ridiculous. If they stayed under Price who had 7 losing seasons in a row. UTEP would still have most of that core. And If UTEP had that core there would be no need to basically give away thousands of tickets and have $5 GA tickets. UTEP made 3.6 million dollars off tickets sold in 2005 and that includes basketball with a listed avg of 10,405 fan a game and a total of 187,298 fans for all home games.

So if your avg basketball ticket was $10 A TICKET that's $1,872,980 ON BASKETBALL. $10 ticket wouldnt get you a seat at the top row at most basketball schools

So you have $3,639,657 (tickets sold in all sports) - $1,872,980 for basketball at $10 a ticket = $1,766,677 money left for every other ticket sold at UTEP/rest of the sports. With a 48,000 avg in football for 6 games, a total of 288,000 football fans that is a avg ticket price of $6.11. Even back in 2005 I doubt a GA top of the stadium ticket would be $6

So again the box score numbers are not correct or like I said...UTEP is giving away thousands and thousands of tickets. I will let you choose which one is correct. Years and years ago no one could get these facts but today they are a few mouse clicks away and any avg Joe can look at them. When you do its clear the listed attendance was inflated or a lot of Dollar night sports...for all

Western isnt on that list of 25 other schools. There is not one fact that you can show me where Western was under 15k since joining FBS. That goes for butts in seats...not make believe numbers in box scores

You’re not hurting my feelings, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I hate to break it to you but UTEP does have a core base of 28k. I know it sounds impossible, especially for those who came from the Sun Belt but if you look at attendance figures from the 80s until now, the numbers are there. There’s been games where there’s not even 15k in the Sun Bowl and I’m not talking 2018, I’m talking 1993. UTEP has had multiple 1, 2, 3 and 4 win seasons for decades, only three 8 win seasons in recent history and only one 10 win season in 1988. We were known in the old WAC (the one that had Utah and BYU on it) as UT-El Intercepted. But I’ll be honest, the 2017 winless season (the first one since 1973) alienated the fan base and it’s the reason Kugler was fired mid-season. The fan base wants results, not excuses. It’ll take Dimel or perhaps another coach at least a 5 win season to bring those fans back. Five games. That’s it. No free or $10 tickets, no buy a combo and get two tickets special. Nope. The fans want to see a good product on the field and they’ll show up if that’s the case. It’s happened at least a couple of times in recent history:


In 1999, Charlie Bailey’s last season, UTEP won 5 games and averaged about 28k. The next year, Gary Nord won 8 games and attendance increased to 40k. In 2003, UTEP averaged 20k in a season that had a loss against FCS Cal Poly. The fan base gave up on Gary Nord after a 2-10 season. He gets fired, Mike Price gets the gig and the 2004 season had an average of 44k. So there’s a precedence. As for the NCAA enforcing the attendance policy, until the likes of Eastern Michigan and Kent State get hit, then I‘ll worry about it.

The frustration is that UTEP has a lot advantages that most G5’s wished they had. There’s no P5 schools and pro sports nearby in a metro area that’s over 1 million (2.5 million if Juarez is included). It’s the rare G5 that’s capable of averaging 40k/10k in both revenue sports. The Sun and The Don have sold out multiple times. Are Dimel and Terry the coaches that will bring those fans back? We will see.

(07-27-2019 12:31 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 09:41 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  I know Marshall had pretty bad turn out for the CUSA Championship (Marshall first CUSA title), maybe 20k

Tech had 6 defensive starters suspended; Marshall came from behind in the 4th and won by 3

23,711 for that game.

Wasnt actually that many, kinda disappointed in the turnout especially for Marshall first CUSA title

(07-27-2019 02:27 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 12:31 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 09:41 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  I know Marshall had pretty bad turn out for the CUSA Championship (Marshall first CUSA title), maybe 20k

Tech had 6 defensive starters suspended; Marshall came from behind in the 4th and won by 3

23,711 for that game.

Wasnt actually that many, kinda disappointed in the turnout especially for Marshall first CUSA title

Also, the weather was pretty bad that day but it was a good game

(07-27-2019 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 01:07 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 12:19 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-24-2019 10:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  WKUYG, you have some serious jealous issues with UTSA and UTEP.

CFN did this report on the numbers reported to the NCAA. Get over it. I wish you were more concerned with WKU's FCS level of support. Especially considering the two year run you had and Top 25 finish.

The day WKU gets a sellout (52k) for not just one or two but multiple conference games or even better average 48k on an 8 win season then he can give us a hard time. Until then, he just needs to stfu.

UTEP has always had a core of about 28k fans who used to show regardless and the numbers match the attendance record dating all the way to the 80s but Kugler alienated half of them. Hopefully Dimel can right the ship and bring those fans back. But until then it is what it is.

Another thing, the day most of the MAC, Sun Belt and even on this conference lose their FBS status due to attendance crackdown from the NCAA then I’ll worry. There’s at least 25-30 G5 schools ahead of UTEP who would get the ax.....including WKU.

There is nothing you said in that post that matters one damn bit to what I pointed out. Also it seems like I hurt your feelings, if so I apologize. Just so you understand exactly what I pointed out...

going by UTEP's own records that was reported to the NCAA. There is zero chance that 5 year avg is correct and it was the only point I was making.

Now...

I'm sorry UTEP doesnt have anywhere close to a core base of 28k. You might have years and years ago but not in the last 5. Core base means shows up no matter what. To say you lost half of that core under your former coach is ridiculous. If they stayed under Price who had 7 losing seasons in a row. UTEP would still have most of that core. And If UTEP had that core there would be no need to basically give away thousands of tickets and have $5 GA tickets. UTEP made 3.6 million dollars off tickets sold in 2005 and that includes basketball with a listed avg of 10,405 fan a game and a total of 187,298 fans for all home games.

So if your avg basketball ticket was $10 A TICKET that's $1,872,980 ON BASKETBALL. $10 ticket wouldnt get you a seat at the top row at most basketball schools

So you have $3,639,657 (tickets sold in all sports) - $1,872,980 for basketball at $10 a ticket = $1,766,677 money left for every other ticket sold at UTEP/rest of the sports. With a 48,000 avg in football for 6 games, a total of 288,000 football fans that is a avg ticket price of $6.11. Even back in 2005 I doubt a GA top of the stadium ticket would be $6

So again the box score numbers are not correct or like I said...UTEP is giving away thousands and thousands of tickets. I will let you choose which one is correct. Years and years ago no one could get these facts but today they are a few mouse clicks away and any avg Joe can look at them. When you do its clear the listed attendance was inflated or a lot of Dollar night sports...for all

Western isnt on that list of 25 other schools. There is not one fact that you can show me where Western was under 15k since joining FBS. That goes for butts in seats...not make believe numbers in box scores

You’re not hurting my feelings, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I hate to break it to you but UTEP does have a core base of 28k. I know it sounds impossible, especially for those who came from the Sun Belt but if you look at attendance figures from the 80s until now, the numbers are there. There’s been games where there’s not even 15k in the Sun Bowl and I’m not talking 2018, I’m talking 1993. UTEP has had multiple 1, 2, 3 and 4 win seasons for decades, only three 8 win seasons in recent history and only one 10 win season in 1988. We were known in the old WAC (the one that had Utah and BYU on it) as UT-El Intercepted. But I’ll be honest, the 2017 winless season (the first one since 1973) alienated the fan base and it’s the reason Kugler was fired mid-season. The fan base wants results, not excuses. It’ll take Dimel or perhaps another coach at least a 5 win season to bring those fans back. Five games. That’s it. No free or $10 tickets, no buy a combo and get two tickets special. Nope. The fans want to see a good product on the field and they’ll show up if that’s the case. It’s happened at least a couple of times in recent history:


In 1999, Charlie Bailey’s last season, UTEP won 5 games and averaged about 28k. The next year, Gary Nord won 8 games and attendance increased to 40k. In 2003, UTEP averaged 20k in a season that had a loss against FCS Cal Poly. The fan base gave up on Gary Nord after a 2-10 season. He gets fired, Mike Price gets the gig and the 2004 season had an average of 44k. So there’s a precedence. As for the NCAA enforcing the attendance policy, until the likes of Eastern Michigan and Kent State get hit, then I‘ll worry about it.

The frustration is that UTEP has a lot advantages that most G5’s wished they had. There’s no P5 schools and pro sports nearby in a metro area that’s over 1 million (2.5 million if Juarez is included). It’s the rare G5 that’s capable of averaging 40k/10k in both revenue sports. The Sun and The Don have sold out multiple times. Are Dimel and Terry the coaches that will bring those fans back? We will see.

I'm not going to address anything you wrote (I did read every word) but will say this...


There's no doubt in my mind that if UTEP was winning they would lead CUSA in basketball and football attendance. And the 2nd place team wouldn't be close .

That would include listed and asses in seats. You dont post often so I dont know if you read the board often. Attendance is a petpeeve of mine..listed/box score vs actual asses in seats. One is attendance and one a number schools put in box scores.

In that first post you quoted I used UTEP (and UTSA) not to take a dig at their attendance. But to show there is a actual difference. UTEP and UTSA are part of the UT System. With that almost any report can be found on line. If there was another report from another school I would have used that..even if it was Western

(07-27-2019 12:31 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 09:41 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  I know Marshall had pretty bad turn out for the CUSA Championship (Marshall first CUSA title), maybe 20k

Tech had 6 defensive starters suspended; Marshall came from behind in the 4th and won by 3

23,711 for that game.

In a damned cold rain.

(07-27-2019 02:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 01:07 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 12:19 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-24-2019 10:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  WKUYG, you have some serious jealous issues with UTSA and UTEP.

CFN did this report on the numbers reported to the NCAA. Get over it. I wish you were more concerned with WKU's FCS level of support. Especially considering the two year run you had and Top 25 finish.

The day WKU gets a sellout (52k) for not just one or two but multiple conference games or even better average 48k on an 8 win season then he can give us a hard time. Until then, he just needs to stfu.

UTEP has always had a core of about 28k fans who used to show regardless and the numbers match the attendance record dating all the way to the 80s but Kugler alienated half of them. Hopefully Dimel can right the ship and bring those fans back. But until then it is what it is.

Another thing, the day most of the MAC, Sun Belt and even on this conference lose their FBS status due to attendance crackdown from the NCAA then I’ll worry. There’s at least 25-30 G5 schools ahead of UTEP who would get the ax.....including WKU.

There is nothing you said in that post that matters one damn bit to what I pointed out. Also it seems like I hurt your feelings, if so I apologize. Just so you understand exactly what I pointed out...

going by UTEP's own records that was reported to the NCAA. There is zero chance that 5 year avg is correct and it was the only point I was making.

Now...

I'm sorry UTEP doesnt have anywhere close to a core base of 28k. You might have years and years ago but not in the last 5. Core base means shows up no matter what. To say you lost half of that core under your former coach is ridiculous. If they stayed under Price who had 7 losing seasons in a row. UTEP would still have most of that core. And If UTEP had that core there would be no need to basically give away thousands of tickets and have $5 GA tickets. UTEP made 3.6 million dollars off tickets sold in 2005 and that includes basketball with a listed avg of 10,405 fan a game and a total of 187,298 fans for all home games.

So if your avg basketball ticket was $10 A TICKET that's $1,872,980 ON BASKETBALL. $10 ticket wouldnt get you a seat at the top row at most basketball schools

So you have $3,639,657 (tickets sold in all sports) - $1,872,980 for basketball at $10 a ticket = $1,766,677 money left for every other ticket sold at UTEP/rest of the sports. With a 48,000 avg in football for 6 games, a total of 288,000 football fans that is a avg ticket price of $6.11. Even back in 2005 I doubt a GA top of the stadium ticket would be $6

So again the box score numbers are not correct or like I said...UTEP is giving away thousands and thousands of tickets. I will let you choose which one is correct. Years and years ago no one could get these facts but today they are a few mouse clicks away and any avg Joe can look at them. When you do its clear the listed attendance was inflated or a lot of Dollar night sports...for all

Western isnt on that list of 25 other schools. There is not one fact that you can show me where Western was under 15k since joining FBS. That goes for butts in seats...not make believe numbers in box scores

You’re not hurting my feelings, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I hate to break it to you but UTEP does have a core base of 28k. I know it sounds impossible, especially for those who came from the Sun Belt but if you look at attendance figures from the 80s until now, the numbers are there. There’s been games where there’s not even 15k in the Sun Bowl and I’m not talking 2018, I’m talking 1993. UTEP has had multiple 1, 2, 3 and 4 win seasons for decades, only three 8 win seasons in recent history and only one 10 win season in 1988. We were known in the old WAC (the one that had Utah and BYU on it) as UT-El Intercepted. But I’ll be honest, the 2017 winless season (the first one since 1973) alienated the fan base and it’s the reason Kugler was fired mid-season. The fan base wants results, not excuses. It’ll take Dimel or perhaps another coach at least a 5 win season to bring those fans back. Five games. That’s it. No free or $10 tickets, no buy a combo and get two tickets special. Nope. The fans want to see a good product on the field and they’ll show up if that’s the case. It’s happened at least a couple of times in recent history:


In 1999, Charlie Bailey’s last season, UTEP won 5 games and averaged about 28k. The next year, Gary Nord won 8 games and attendance increased to 40k. In 2003, UTEP averaged 20k in a season that had a loss against FCS Cal Poly. The fan base gave up on Gary Nord after a 2-10 season. He gets fired, Mike Price gets the gig and the 2004 season had an average of 44k. So there’s a precedence. As for the NCAA enforcing the attendance policy, until the likes of Eastern Michigan and Kent State get hit, then I‘ll worry about it.

The frustration is that UTEP has a lot advantages that most G5’s wished they had. There’s no P5 schools and pro sports nearby in a metro area that’s over 1 million (2.5 million if Juarez is included). It’s the rare G5 that’s capable of averaging 40k/10k in both revenue sports. The Sun and The Don have sold out multiple times. Are Dimel and Terry the coaches that will bring those fans back? We will see.

I'm not going to address anything you wrote (I did read every word) but will say this...


There's no doubt in my mind that if UTEP was winning they would lead CUSA in basketball and football attendance. And the 2nd place team wouldn't be close .

That would include listed and asses in seats. You dont post often so I dont know if you read the board often. Attendance is a petpeeve of mine..listed/box score vs actual asses in seats. One is attendance and one a number schools put in box scores.

In that first post you quoted I used UTEP (and UTSA) not to take a dig at their attendance. But to show there is a actual difference. UTEP and UTSA are part of the UT System. With that almost any report can be found on line. If there was another report from another school I would have used that..even if it was Western

According to this article, MTSU didn't have 10k actual butts in seats in 2018. WKU wasn't any better if I had to guess. When the NCAA let's you report paid or actual, in most cases you are seeing paid. What you tell the AP for the write up can be whatever fantasy you want.

https://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college...134227002/

(07-27-2019 01:07 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 05:42 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  The SEC saw a "drop of more than 2,400 fans per game last season, which was the biggest decline of any Power Five conference." The entire FBS lost an "average of about 1,400 fans per game" in '17.

clt says don’t ever let facts get in the way, pal

It is a problem for some SEC schools, but I haven't heard it being a league-wide problem yet. Sheesh, even Alabama was considering downsizing it's stadium- I'm surprised CLT didn't put a link to that as well.

clt assumes you are in middle school, buddy?

(07-27-2019 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 01:07 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 12:19 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-24-2019 10:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  WKUYG, you have some serious jealous issues with UTSA and UTEP.

CFN did this report on the numbers reported to the NCAA. Get over it. I wish you were more concerned with WKU's FCS level of support. Especially considering the two year run you had and Top 25 finish.

The day WKU gets a sellout (52k) for not just one or two but multiple conference games or even better average 48k on an 8 win season then he can give us a hard time. Until then, he just needs to stfu.

UTEP has always had a core of about 28k fans who used to show regardless and the numbers match the attendance record dating all the way to the 80s but Kugler alienated half of them. Hopefully Dimel can right the ship and bring those fans back. But until then it is what it is.

Another thing, the day most of the MAC, Sun Belt and even on this conference lose their FBS status due to attendance crackdown from the NCAA then I’ll worry. There’s at least 25-30 G5 schools ahead of UTEP who would get the ax.....including WKU.

There is nothing you said in that post that matters one damn bit to what I pointed out. Also it seems like I hurt your feelings, if so I apologize. Just so you understand exactly what I pointed out...

going by UTEP's own records that was reported to the NCAA. There is zero chance that 5 year avg is correct and it was the only point I was making.

Now...

I'm sorry UTEP doesnt have anywhere close to a core base of 28k. You might have years and years ago but not in the last 5. Core base means shows up no matter what. To say you lost half of that core under your former coach is ridiculous. If they stayed under Price who had 7 losing seasons in a row. UTEP would still have most of that core. And If UTEP had that core there would be no need to basically give away thousands of tickets and have $5 GA tickets. UTEP made 3.6 million dollars off tickets sold in 2005 and that includes basketball with a listed avg of 10,405 fan a game and a total of 187,298 fans for all home games.

So if your avg basketball ticket was $10 A TICKET that's $1,872,980 ON BASKETBALL. $10 ticket wouldnt get you a seat at the top row at most basketball schools

So you have $3,639,657 (tickets sold in all sports) - $1,872,980 for basketball at $10 a ticket = $1,766,677 money left for every other ticket sold at UTEP/rest of the sports. With a 48,000 avg in football for 6 games, a total of 288,000 football fans that is a avg ticket price of $6.11. Even back in 2005 I doubt a GA top of the stadium ticket would be $6

So again the box score numbers are not correct or like I said...UTEP is giving away thousands and thousands of tickets. I will let you choose which one is correct. Years and years ago no one could get these facts but today they are a few mouse clicks away and any avg Joe can look at them. When you do its clear the listed attendance was inflated or a lot of Dollar night sports...for all

Western isnt on that list of 25 other schools. There is not one fact that you can show me where Western was under 15k since joining FBS. That goes for butts in seats...not make believe numbers in box scores

You’re not hurting my feelings, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I hate to break it to you but UTEP does have a core base of 28k. I know it sounds impossible, especially for those who came from the Sun Belt but if you look at attendance figures from the 80s until now, the numbers are there. There’s been games where there’s not even 15k in the Sun Bowl and I’m not talking 2018, I’m talking 1993. UTEP has had multiple 1, 2, 3 and 4 win seasons for decades, only three 8 win seasons in recent history and only one 10 win season in 1988. We were known in the old WAC (the one that had Utah and BYU on it) as UT-El Intercepted. But I’ll be honest, the 2017 winless season (the first one since 1973) alienated the fan base and it’s the reason Kugler was fired mid-season. The fan base wants results, not excuses. It’ll take Dimel or perhaps another coach at least a 5 win season to bring those fans back. Five games. That’s it. No free or $10 tickets, no buy a combo and get two tickets special. Nope. The fans want to see a good product on the field and they’ll show up if that’s the case. It’s happened at least a couple of times in recent history:


In 1999, Charlie Bailey’s last season, UTEP won 5 games and averaged about 28k. The next year, Gary Nord won 8 games and attendance increased to 40k. In 2003, UTEP averaged 20k in a season that had a loss against FCS Cal Poly. The fan base gave up on Gary Nord after a 2-10 season. He gets fired, Mike Price gets the gig and the 2004 season had an average of 44k. So there’s a precedence. As for the NCAA enforcing the attendance policy, until the likes of Eastern Michigan and Kent State get hit, then I‘ll worry about it.

The frustration is that UTEP has a lot advantages that most G5’s wished they had. There’s no P5 schools and pro sports nearby in a metro area that’s over 1 million (2.5 million if Juarez is included). It’s the rare G5 that’s capable of averaging 40k/10k in both revenue sports. The Sun and The Don have sold out multiple times. Are Dimel and Terry the coaches that will bring those fans back? We will see.

Let me sum up all of it up for UTEPDallas. Western KY averages more in attendance than every school in the conference in football and basketball. They also have the most expensive tickets and have never once discounted or given any away. They also are the only school that 100% accurately reports their paid attendance and actual butts in seats. Furthermore, the rest of us drastically inflate our attendance and give away all of our tickets. Most importantly, we should never question WKUYG on his attendance estimates at games. Even though you go to your home games all the time and probably have a good visual idea of how many people are actually there.

In reality we all see how empty Western Ky's small stadium is every football game, Even when they were ranked. We all notice the empty seats at their basketball "sell outs". The irony of lecturing everyone about attendance coming from Western Ky fans is lost on them.