(05-31-2019 08:51 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 09:34 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Why is everyone so certain Louisville would still be the choice to replace Maryland in the ACC? If WVU is available they get the nod. WVU and Louisville have comparable academics, WVU has the better FB pedigree and established rivalries with many already in the league.

If the ACC wanted West Virginia, don't you think they would have taken them earlier, when they were available? Like before Pitt or Syracuse? Or even before BC?

I'm talking about WVU and Louisville. Your logic makes no sense. If they really wanted Pitt why didn;t they take them before Miami? Or VT? Or even BC?

What I'm saying is that athletically, WVU has all the ACC would need. They should have been taken along with Miami and VT. But the ACC didn't even consider them, and took a team with a weaker athletic pedigree over them. And then took two more weaker teams instead of WVU. Maybe WVU would have been next in line after Syracuse and Pitt, but there's definitely something about them that the ACC doesn't like. Academics? Bad history? Unruly fanbase? All of that? Something else?

(05-31-2019 08:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 09:34 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Why is everyone so certain Louisville would still be the choice to replace Maryland in the ACC? If WVU is available they get the nod. WVU and Louisville have comparable academics, WVU has the better FB pedigree and established rivalries with many already in the league.

If the ACC wanted West Virginia, don't you think they would have taken them earlier, when they were available? Like before Pitt or Syracuse? Or even before BC?

Long time acc fans can retell this better than I, but WVU carried a lot of bad blood from a previous era that made them, at least then, almost a non-starter.

Please, FSU and Clemson demanded a high caliber FB program and if not they were going to start taking calls. That trumps any 50+ year beefs, thats immediate action to keep your football powers happy and FSU doesn't care about UNC or UVA's panties getting in a knot because some Hillbillies upset them. WVU had a high caliber FB program that won 3 BCS bowls against SEC champ UGA, XII Champ OU (Beat them down 48-28) and ACC champ Clemson (Ran them out of the stadium 70-33). They would have been the choice if they were still available.

There was clearly a pecking order in the ACC's interest in Big East members. The rankings went something like this:

1. Miami
2. BC
3. Cuse (bumped to 4 due to VA politics)
4. VT
5. Pitt

? Rutgers

6. Louisville
7. UConn
8. Cincy
9. USF

WVU is hard to tell. They had bad blood with Tobacco Road daring back to at least the early 50s. VT and Pitt might have gone to war for them to replace Maryland but it might not have been enough.

(05-31-2019 09:09 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There was clearly a pecking order in the ACC's interest in Big East members. The rankings went something like this:

1. Miami
2. BC
3. Cuse (bumped to 4 due to VA politics)
4. VT
5. Pitt

? Rutgers

6. Louisville
7. UConn
8. Cincy
9. USF

WVU is hard to tell. They had bad blood with Tobacco Road daring back to at least the early 50s. VT and Pitt might have gone to war for them to replace Maryland but it might not have been enough.

Tobacco Road was told to sit in the corner and rubber stamp whoever FSU and Clemson picks or they were leaving. Especially after the BBall focused expansion with Cuse and Pitt.

(05-31-2019 09:04 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 08:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 09:34 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Why is everyone so certain Louisville would still be the choice to replace Maryland in the ACC? If WVU is available they get the nod. WVU and Louisville have comparable academics, WVU has the better FB pedigree and established rivalries with many already in the league.

If the ACC wanted West Virginia, don't you think they would have taken them earlier, when they were available? Like before Pitt or Syracuse? Or even before BC?

Long time acc fans can retell this better than I, but WVU carried a lot of bad blood from a previous era that made them, at least then, almost a non-starter.

Please, FSU and Clemson demanded a high caliber FB program and if not they were going to start taking calls. That trumps any 50+ year beefs, thats immediate action to keep your football powers happy and FSU doesn't care about UNC or UVA's panties getting in a knot because some Hillbillies upset them. WVU had a high caliber FB program that won 3 BCS bowls against SEC champ UGA, XII Champ OU (Beat them down 48-28) and ACC champ Clemson (Ran them out of the stadium 70-33). They would have been the choice if they were still available.

Yet when they expanded to add Syracuse and Pitt, they didn’t even give them a second look. You can make all of the assumptions you want, but what I stated was fact. Was it enough to keep them out forever? Who knows. But it was most certainly a factor then. Matter of fact any West Virginia fan will tell you this, and will tel you they had a better chance of getting in the sec at the time then The ACC, by a multiple number.

Just go find a West Virginia and ask them. They will tell you. Or a UNC fan. Or a Maryland fan (where I graduated from and can tell you at an institutional level, they blackballed from them from The ACC at all costs). Despite your baseless assumption.