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Flint Michigan back to it's usual ways
https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/05/flint...placement/

Quote:The company Flint, Michigan, hired to replace lead water pipes had no experience with the work, according to a councilwoman and a contractor, despite that the city has received more than $600 million in state and federal aid for its water crisis.

And the city ignored a model showing where lead pipes are and paid to dig up every yard, the vast majority of which had copper pipes, according to meeting minutes.

The city also prohibited contractors from using an efficient method of digging holes known as hydrovac excavation, Flint Councilwoman Eva Worthing told The Daily Caller News Foundation. That leveled the playing field for a contractor, WT Stevens, with no experience or the appropriate equipment — and let it bill far more to taxpayers, she says. All of these factors, she adds, needlessly led to more waiting for anyone who actually has lead pipes.



Quote:The city “chose to dig up yards that they knew were copper, and they decided to hand dig instead of hydrovac,” Worthing told TheDCNF. “That was because WT Stevens didn’t have the ability, and you get more money [digging by hand]. It costs $250 [to hydrovac] versus thousands” to dig a large hole without the equipment.

Quote:The city’s request for bids required that companies have relevant experience that WT Stevens lacked, the owner of a competitor, Ellis Monk, told TheDCNF. WT Stevens won by saying Monk’s experienced company, Michigan Monk, would serve as a subcontractor.

Monk told TheDCNF that Mays helped establish that arrangement. Monk said he tried to train WT Stevens’ staff and supervise them, but the water line work went poorly since they had no experience.

“They’re drilling every which way, junk flying everywhere. They didn’t realize what they’re doing to the structure of the house,” he told TheDCNF, saying the unskilled work could damage houses’ foundations. WT Stevens “hired people [with] no experience, some of them seemed like they were fresh out of jail.”

WT Stevens, which has received $22 million in contracts from Flint since 2016, didn’t pay him as promised and eventually cut him out of the deal, Monk alleges. A lawyer for WT Stevens denied wrongdoing but declined to elaborate, citing an ongoing lawsuit.

Mays has boasted about the money the city awarded to WT Stevens.

On April 27, Mays said: “We’ve taken in over $647 million. This is where the money is at. We’ve received about $167 million for pipe replacement.” He added that he’s “proud” that Flint “broke records for giving black folks money” through contracts, naming WT Stevens. The company is owned by Rhonda Grayer, a black woman and wife of a former NBA player.

When asked if WT Stevens had specialization in water line work prior to the Flint contract, Grayer said to TheDCNF: “Are you asking the other contractors that? We’re one of five.”

Quote:Equipment called hydrovac quickly drills holes and sucks out dirt. Unlike WT Stevens, Goyette Mechanical, the plumbing specialist involved in addressing the lead pipes early on, used such machinery and, also unlike WT Stevens, finished on time, Woodson said.

Goyette was ready to fix more lead pipes and asked for 500 more addresses, while WT Stevens still had a backlog. Woodson told TheDCNF that was the impetus for Gilcreast ordering the engineer to assign more addresses to WT Stevens even though the company still hadn’t finished its existing work.

Then the city banned all contractors from using hydrovac technology, forcing all companies to use the same technology as the one with no relevant experience, Woodson said.

Parks, the Goyette official, said, “After the bids went out they said you can’t use hydrovac, but you had do to it for the same price. We lost a lot of money on that. It’s the right technology to use, and we were using it in combination with excavators. We did the earlier work that way without issue.”

Mays told TheDCNF he personally was not against hydrovac, but that the mayor’s justification was that the more targeted, 18-inch “exploratory” holes could show a section of copper pipe without revealing that it was just a short splice on an otherwise lead line.

Woodson says this logic falls apart considering the prohibition was not only on using the technology to do “exploratory” holes, but also from using it to dig out large holes around lead pipes in order to replace them.

“So it was never about safety, it was about them making it easy because WT Stevens couldn’t keep up and Goyette was the only company with a hydrovac, so they were able to move the earth quicker and gobble up all the addresses,” Woodson added.


Dims being dims. The other companies must not have been willing to give anywhere near as big of a kickback as WT Stevens.
05-06-2019 10:12 PM
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It is Flint. I mean it could another country.





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They’re not sending their best. But the sheep there will keep putting them in office.
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(05-07-2019 05:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  They’re not sending their best. But the sheep there will keep putting them in office.

Sounds like Atlanta or Chicago.
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(05-07-2019 06:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 05:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  They’re not sending their best. But the sheep there will keep putting them in office.

Sounds like Atlanta or Chicago.

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Quote:The company Flint, Michigan, hired to replace lead water pipes had no experience with the work, according to a councilwoman and a contractor, despite that the city has received more than $600 million in state and federal aid for its water crisis.

Does this REALLY shock anyone?

First thing would be investigate to see if any of the "powers that be" have connections to this company. Financial, personal, or whatever. I'd be willing to bet the "owner" is a "friend or relative" of someone in power.

But hey, why should we worry, it's just "tax money" and probably Trump's fault....
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(05-07-2019 07:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 06:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 05:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  They’re not sending their best. But the sheep there will keep putting them in office.

Sounds like Atlanta or Chicago.

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Milwaukee says.... "hold my beer....."
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(05-07-2019 07:39 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
Quote:The company Flint, Michigan, hired to replace lead water pipes had no experience with the work, according to a councilwoman and a contractor, despite that the city has received more than $600 million in state and federal aid for its water crisis.

Does this REALLY shock anyone?

First thing would be investigate to see if any of the "powers that be" have connections to this company. Financial, personal, or whatever. I'd be willing to bet the "owner" is a "friend or relative" of someone in power.

But hey, why should we worry, it's just "tax money" and probably Trump's fault....
It was an issue all through Obama's presidency and as soon as Trump was sworn in it was his fault.

I guarantee you, that man could fix it with his contacts, but as soon as he did, the left would "reeee" so f'n hard and call for Peach Mints.
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(05-07-2019 07:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 06:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 05:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  They’re not sending their best. But the sheep there will keep putting them in office.

Sounds like Atlanta or Chicago.

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When we were in Texas, we thought of Louisiana as the epitome of corruption. But New Orleans has nothing on Atlanta.
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(05-07-2019 07:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 07:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 06:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 05:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  They’re not sending their best. But the sheep there will keep putting them in office.

Sounds like Atlanta or Chicago.

*coughNewOrleanscough*

When we were in Texas, we thought of Louisiana as the epitome of corruption. But New Orleans has nothing on Atlanta.

For reals?
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Evidently, using a hydrovac in this situation is forcing "white man technology" onto a predominantly black neighborhood. Banning this equipment removed the white privilege some of these companies had so that everyone was equal. It's only fair so that the black owned company was on a "level" playing ground free from having to compete against white privilege.

Flint did a good thing by taking this course of action. Black Companies Matter.
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(05-07-2019 07:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 07:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 07:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 06:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-07-2019 05:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  They’re not sending their best. But the sheep there will keep putting them in office.

Sounds like Atlanta or Chicago.

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When we were in Texas, we thought of Louisiana as the epitome of corruption. But New Orleans has nothing on Atlanta.

For reals?

3 mayors back, Atlanta mayor jailed. Past mayor under investigation for corruption and illegal payments. Current mayor already illegally hired people. Not clear where that investigation is going.
Atlanta school superintendent and about 30 teachers indicted for testing scandal. They changed answers to show students passing. They got bonuses and students didn't get help they needed.
Fulton County Tax Assessor Collector gets nearly 600k extra for using the office to collect taxes for area cities. That's actually legal theft.
Two of neighborhing Dekalb County Commissioners have gone to jail. Another got acquitted-on 3 unrelated cases.
One of neighboring Gwinnett County (and another forced to resign).
Dekalb County school chief and several of his associates went to jail on construction fraud in school contracts.
Tons of lower level people caught.
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Baltimore says “hold my malt liquor.....”
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I wish we'd be a little more clear on the allegations. Plenty of white people are involved in this... most likely ring leaders. We certainly 'set the precedent' (Tammany Hall etc)

Minorities have held very little power over the centuries and they're finally getting some... unfortunately many of them (especially older generations) are politically naive as a result and being exploited... Often by the people claiming to be there to 'help' (themselves)
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(05-07-2019 07:39 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
Quote:The company Flint, Michigan, hired to replace lead water pipes had no experience with the work, according to a councilwoman and a contractor, despite that the city has received more than $600 million in state and federal aid for its water crisis.

Does this REALLY shock anyone?

First thing would be investigate to see if any of the "powers that be" have connections to this company. Financial, personal, or whatever. I'd be willing to bet the "owner" is a "friend or relative" of someone in power.

But hey, why should we worry, it's just "tax money" and probably Trump's fault....

Republican Governors fault, no doubt.

Methinks someone needs to be checking my dear friend Mr. Mays freezer for any foiled wrapped "bricks". 07-coffee3
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(05-07-2019 07:52 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Evidently, using a hydrovac in this situation is forcing "white man technology" onto a predominantly black neighborhood. Banning this equipment removed the white privilege some of these companies had so that everyone was equal. It's only fair so that the black owned company was on a "level" playing ground free from having to compete against white privilege.

Flint did a good thing by taking this course of action. Black Companies Matter.

But companies aren't people. 03-confused
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Flint is such a ****hole. When you have kleptomaniacs with 60-IQs in charge of your government, you knew this was going to be a corrupt money pit for taxpayers $$$$.
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The water system was poisoning the Flint population. State and federal funds were received to resolve the issue, and these morons play stupid social justice games with the contractor hired to do the work. Screw them, and the dumb ***** that voted these idiots into office. Lead or no lead, you are all tards.
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