We all know that the FBI was lying when it said that the Russian collusion investigation began with Papdaoupolos. (Despite the fact that the lie was regurgitated on this forum by the left, including RedWingTom.) mainly because there was evidence that the investigation was started prior to that.

Now we are finding out that even the subject matter of Papadopolous was, in of itself, a lie. We were told that a drunk Papadopolous was telling Mifsud about "Clinton Emails", and that started the whole thing.

A big problem with that. Joseph Mifsud was interviewed by Mueller in 2017, and he said that "Clinton emails" was not discussed in that meeting.

Papadopolous would later be indicted for lying to Mueller. But why wasnt Mifsud indicted for lying when he said that the Clinton Emails werent discussed in that meeting? Perhaps, because, the Clinton Emails were not discussed in the meeting. And if thats the case, this is another case of enormous prosecutorial misconduct.

Adam Schiff has some exlaining to do. In his "minority report", the rebuttal to the Nunes memo, Schiff basically reports "evidence" that the russians were trying to court Papodoupolos with the Clinton Emails. However, we now know that Mueller had no evidence of that. So Schiff was perpetuating a lie from the FBI. The only question that remains, who was feeding him this information, or was he colluding with the dirty members of the FBI/DOJ to create this fake narrative.

Also, team taint needs to be investigated and questioned as to why this information wasnt made public earlier. They knew back in early 2017, after they interviewed Mifsud, that the whole "it started with Papadopolous" was a lie, yet said nothing. They allowed the lie to be perpetually repeated by the media.

Seems like the little snitty letter that Mueller sent Barr a few weeks ago, about how the media was "correctly" reporting on his report, is a little strange considering the media was completely reporting a lie for 2 years on Papadoupolos and the statr of the investigation, and his team taint didnt seem to care at all about that.

And finally, about Mifsud himself. He was originally unidentified and was sold to us as an agent of Russia. When it finally leaked out the name of this person, people started getting amnesia as to who he was or who he worked for. In fact, he was a western asset. One who had repeatedly worked with the US state department.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/...agent.html

LOL, so the new plan is for the Demorats to attack Barr, and when that doesn't work I guess they attack Mueller.

and breaking just a few minutes ago, Nunes sent a letter to various agencies demanding info on Joseph Mifsud. Adam Schiff is likely crapping his pants. He'll certainly try to shut this down.

(05-06-2019 11:22 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  LOL, so the new plan is for the Demorats to attack Barr, and when that doesn't work I guess they attack Mueller.

It's all they really can do. They didn't like the answer so in order to keep the Russia nonsense going they have to keep up the charade. If they were smart, they'd come up with some sort of platform. As things are they are only creating Trump voters.

That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

(05-06-2019 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

I'm all for at least some of those crooks going to jail. Just not gonna believe it until I see it.

(05-06-2019 12:25 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

I'm all for at least some of those crooks going to jail. Just not gonna believe it until I see it.

I agree, but some of the ideas of nothing happening to anyone is because of the past history of who ruled over the DOJ and FBI.

Mueller and Comey were over the FBI from 2001 to 2017.
Since 2009, its been Holder & Lynch at the DOJ, with a neutered Sessions.

Now that all of that trash is out of the way, let's see how business is conducted. There seems to be a lot of crapping of the pants going on to just believe that the most that will happen is some people will lose their jobs.

(05-06-2019 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

They need to move quick to make sure it gets done. This all gets dropped if Trump doesn't get reelected and they do the same thing to the next Republican candidate.

(05-06-2019 12:25 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

I'm all for at least some of those crooks going to jail. Just not gonna believe it until I see it.

In some countries traitors are put in front of a firing squad. I'd go for that. Let's start with Comey, he's a mighty big target, then Strjoke and lovergirl.

(05-06-2019 10:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  We all know that the FBI was lying when it said that the Russian collusion investigation began with Papdaoupolos. (Despite the fact that the lie was regurgitated on this forum by the left, including RedWingTom.) mainly because there was evidence that the investigation was started prior to that.

Now we are finding out that even the subject matter of Papadopolous was, in of itself, a lie. We were told that a drunk Papadopolous was telling Mifsud about "Clinton Emails", and that started the whole thing.

A big problem with that. Joseph Mifsud was interviewed by Mueller in 2017, and he said that "Clinton emails" was not discussed in that meeting.

Papadopolous would later be indicted for lying to Mueller. But why wasnt Mifsud indicted for lying when he said that the Clinton Emails werent discussed in that meeting? Perhaps, because, the Clinton Emails were not discussed in the meeting. And if thats the case, this is another case of enormous prosecutorial misconduct.

Better yet---wouldnt that mean Comey and other FBI/Justice officials then clearly lied to Congress when they claimed the investigation was started by the Popodopolus conversation with the Aussie ambassador? Seems like a really easy to prove open and shut case for the current DOJ.

(05-06-2019 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

Hence the reason why the attacks on him ramped up so suddenly and are so extreme. They know the type of person he is and know what he's going to do.

(05-06-2019 03:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 10:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  We all know that the FBI was lying when it said that the Russian collusion investigation began with Papdaoupolos. (Despite the fact that the lie was regurgitated on this forum by the left, including RedWingTom.) mainly because there was evidence that the investigation was started prior to that.

Now we are finding out that even the subject matter of Papadopolous was, in of itself, a lie. We were told that a drunk Papadopolous was telling Mifsud about "Clinton Emails", and that started the whole thing.

A big problem with that. Joseph Mifsud was interviewed by Mueller in 2017, and he said that "Clinton emails" was not discussed in that meeting.

Papadopolous would later be indicted for lying to Mueller. But why wasnt Mifsud indicted for lying when he said that the Clinton Emails werent discussed in that meeting? Perhaps, because, the Clinton Emails were not discussed in the meeting. And if thats the case, this is another case of enormous prosecutorial misconduct.

Better yet---wouldnt that mean Comey and other FBI/Justice officials then clearly lie to Congress when they claimed the investigation was started by the Popodopolus conversation with the Aussie ambassador? Seems like a really easy to prove open and shut case for the current DOJ.

"So many Questions"

What's truly sad about this entire nefarious affair is what it's simultaneously done and exposed as to regular peoples faith and reliance on our justice dept and rule of law.

I put myself squarely in that camp. And it kinda makes me sick.

The time/days of "we watch each others backs" has got to be ended. The dirty cops clearly involved in this entire sordid event do need to pay a real price for their attempted coup and to set an example going forward.

Otherwise, no objective person is going to believe them from the jump ever again.

Hoping they clean this mess up. Not confident in the least they truly will.

(05-06-2019 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:25 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

I'm all for at least some of those crooks going to jail. Just not gonna believe it until I see it.

I agree, but some of the ideas of nothing happening to anyone is because of the past history of who ruled over the DOJ and FBI.

Mueller and Comey were over the FBI from 2001 to 2017.
Since 2009, its been Holder & Lynch at the DOJ, with a neutered Sessions.

Now that all of that trash is out of the way, let's see how business is conducted. There seems to be a lot of crapping of the pants going on to just believe that the most that will happen is some people will lose their jobs.

I just think Trumps advisers will tell him that actions against these individuals aren't politically expedient and will be seen as vengeful and vindictive.

What I'd like to see is a slow rolling out over the next 18 months of tidbits of juicy stuff with an October surprise of an indictment or two handed down before the election and then after winning a second term going after everyone involved with both barrels.

(05-06-2019 03:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

Hence the reason why the attacks on him ramped up so suddenly and are so extreme. They know the type of person he is and know what he's going to do.

this is the 'campfire' I sitting next to....

willy-nilly isn't going to happen this time like ol' Jeffy soy handled such...

(05-07-2019 07:16 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:25 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

I'm all for at least some of those crooks going to jail. Just not gonna believe it until I see it.

I agree, but some of the ideas of nothing happening to anyone is because of the past history of who ruled over the DOJ and FBI.

Mueller and Comey were over the FBI from 2001 to 2017.
Since 2009, its been Holder & Lynch at the DOJ, with a neutered Sessions.

Now that all of that trash is out of the way, let's see how business is conducted. There seems to be a lot of crapping of the pants going on to just believe that the most that will happen is some people will lose their jobs.

I just think Trumps advisers will tell him that actions against these individuals aren't politically expedient and will be seen as vengeful and vindictive.

What I'd like to see is a slow rolling out over the next 18 months of tidbits of juicy stuff with an October surprise of an indictment or two handed down before the election and then after winning a second term going after everyone involved with both barrels.

which is XACLY! how I see it playing out....

(05-06-2019 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That hammer is getting heavier and heavier and at some point has to drop. I'm not convinced anything will come of it other than the entire lie being exposed though.

I'm 100% with you. I'm not sure, aside from stirring public anger about it that it would be politically valuable to take action either. Let's say the evidence is overwhelming and allows for a prosecutor to bring up charges on folks in the Obama administration. Doing so would make the right happy, surely, but at what costs? Would it cause voters on the right to sit back during the election and revel in the plight of Obama and his cronies? Would it fire up the left's voters out of anger and increase their voting output?

Those are all questions that will be swirling about in the halls of DC, I'm sure. Political chess and such.

I believe the probability of perp walks increased the moment Barr was appointed. I dont believe the guy came out of retirement to sweep everything under the rug. I believe he is going to clean everything up and ensure it doesnt happen again for a very long time, and thats going to require federal pound me in the ass prison for some people.

Forget politics and parties, sweeping this under some rug will create the worst damage to the country. I don’t care which political party is hurt worse by the fall out, there must be complete and total transparency and accountability.