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First former Minnesota police officer found guilty of an on-duty murder
Quote:Mohamed Noor became the first former Minnesota police officer found guilty of an on-duty murder Tuesday as a Hennepin County jury convicted him for the fatal shooting of Justine Ruszczyk Damond in 2017.

Jurors reached their verdict after about 10 hours of sequestered deliberations in a case that was closely watched nationwide and in Damond’s native Australia. They convicted Noor of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter but acquitted him of the most serious count — second-degree murder.

Noor, 33, sat expressionless with his hands clasped in front of him as the verdict was read in court just before 5 p.m. One juror hung his head while others sat calmly.

Noor stood from his attorneys’ table, was handcuffed and taken into custody after jurors were dismissed, leaving without looking at his family in the gallery, his shackled wrists brushing against the back of his dark-colored suit. He will remain in custody until his sentencing, scheduled for June 7.

Damond’s fiancé, Don Damond, dabbed a tissue to his eyes as the verdict was read. He and Damond’s father, John Ruszczyk, later joined Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman for a news conference in which Don Damond castigated police for his fiancée’s death and the initial handling of the investigation.

“Ironically, the Minneapolis Police Department emblem on the squad door reads, ‘To protect with courage and to serve with compassion,’ ” Don Damond said. “… But that night there was a tragic lapse of care and complete disregard for the sanctity of life. The evidence in this case clearly shows an egregious failure of the Minneapolis Police Department.”

John Ruszczyk accused some Minneapolis police of “active resistance” to the investigation and said Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension investigators showed “gross incompetence.”

The jury of two women and 10 men began their deliberations Monday afternoon after three weeks of contentious and conflicting testimony and hundreds of pieces of evidence including graphic police body-camera footage of the shooting’s aftermath in a south Minneapolis alley.

Noor and his partner, Matthew Harrity, were responding to Damond’s 911 call on July 15, 2017, about a possible sexual assault in the alley behind her home when Noor fired from the passenger seat and through Harrity’s open driver’s-side window. Damond was struck in the abdomen and died at the scene.

Prosecutors argued at trial that Noor violated his training and national police standards when he shot Damond instead of identifying her first and addressing her verbally. Defense attorneys said Noor relied on common police training to eliminate a threat when she appeared next to his squad car in the middle of the night and raised her arm in a fashion that he interpreted as an ambush.

Don Damond and John Ruszczyk urged Minneapolis leaders to continue implementing systemic change to the department.

“I implore Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Police Chief Medaria Arradondo to do everything they can to ensure these essential human values are not just words on a car door,” Don Damond said, “but are lived values of every person in a police department who need a complete transformation of policing in Minneapolis and around the country.”

Both men, along with Justine Damond’s brother, sister-in-law and stepmother, were fixtures throughout the trial, sitting in the front row of the public gallery next to Noor’s wife and parents.

“The jury’s decision reflects the community’s commitment to three important pillars of a civil society: the rule of law, the respect for the sanctity of life and the obligation of the police force to serve and protect,” John Ruszczyk said. “We believe this guilty verdict strengthens those pillars. We hope this will be a catalyst for further change.”

Neither family reacted overtly to the verdict, although Damond’s sister-in-law hugged Don Damond as jurors were polled individually. Noor’s mother and wife leaned forward in their chairs in anticipation through the proceeding.

Noor’s attorneys and family left without comment. Before the verdict, his father, Mohamed Abass, didn’t appear hopeful.

“We’re Muslims,” he said. “We will accept any outcome.”

Noor’s cousin, Goth Ali, who attended the trial every day, broke down after hearing the verdict.

“I’m crying because of how the case was handled,” the 32-year-old said afterward. “What happened was injustice. This is shocking. My cousin didn’t get a fair trial.”

Noor, who was fired from the department after the shooting, is the second officer in recent Minnesota history to be charged with an on-duty fatal shooting. St. Anthony police officer Jeronimo Yanez was acquitted in 2017 in the fatal shooting of Philando Castile during a 2016 traffic stop.

The prosecution’s sprawling case against Noor raised alarming questions about Minneapolis police conduct and the BCA. Assistant Hennepin County attorneys Amy Sweasy and Patrick Lofton crafted a picture of police secrecy from the shooting’s immediate aftermath to trial, showing that several officers turned off their body cameras at the scene, accusing a key supervisor of inventing the story that Noor and Harrity heard a loud noise on their squad before the shooting, and calling out dozens of officers for refusing to speak with investigators until compelled by a grand jury.

Despite his office’s attack on the credibility of several Minneapolis police officers and the BCA, Freeman defended every previous police shooting investigation his office has reviewed — and cleared of criminal wrongdoing — as “superb.” Freeman said “initially” there were mistakes, but his office raised concerns that were rectified. “I’m pleased to report that both [Minneapolis police] and BCA have done an exemplary job” in other cases, he said.

Freeman said the presumptive sentence for the third-degree murder conviction is 12½ years, and the manslaughter conviction four years. They likely will be served concurrently, he said.

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Quote:When the story originally broke, Islamic scholar and author Robert Spencer wrote:

Mohamed Noor is a Somali Muslim. He was the first Somali Muslim on the Minneapolis police force. In 2016, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges expressed her excitement about that fact: “I want to take a moment to recognize Officer Mohamed Noor, the newest Somali officer in the Minneapolis Police Department. Officer Noor has been assigned to the 5th Precinct, where his arrival has been highly celebrated, particularly by the Somali community in and around Karmel Mall.”

Hodges wasn’t excited because Mohamed Noor had the skills necessary to become a fine police officer. She was only excited because he represented a religious and ethnic group that she was anxious to court. And it became increasingly clear — as we learned about Mohamed Noor’s nervousness and jumpiness and lack of respect for women, and from his own account of events that he relayed to friends (that he was “startled” and reacted by opening fire) — that Mohamed Noor was not cut out to be a policeman. He did not have the temperament for it, and if he hadn’t killed Justine Ruszczyk, he would likely have done something similar at some point.

He also pointed out how Minneapolis politicians rushed to the side of Somali Muslims as though they were the victims in the murder.

Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges immediately recognized — as authorities do everywhere after jihad attacks — that the real victim was not the woman who was killed, but the Muslim community.

And she wrote, “To the Somali community: I want you to know that you are a valued and appreciated part of Minneapolis. I stand with you and support you. The strength and beauty of the Somali and East African communities are a vital part of what makes Minneapolis so strong and beautiful. I am grateful to be your neighbor.

This week a Somali police officer, Officer Mohamed Noor, shot and killed a woman under circumstances we don’t yet comprehend. Justine Damond’s death was tragic and awful for everyone… We cannot compound that tragedy by turning to racism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia.”

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Affirmative Action hire.
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All depends on who gets killed. I’ll take “Lives that Matter” for $1000, Alex.
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(05-05-2019 05:38 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  All depends on who gets killed. I’ll take “Lives that Matter” for $1000, Alex.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mprnews...t-verdicts

Next time read beyond the headline before you link an article so you don't come off looking like even more of a fool.

FROM YOUR OWN LINK

Quote:Marsh Halberg, a criminal defense attorney who attended the Noor trial as an observer, said Hennepin County prosecutors in the Noor trial probably looked back at the experience of Ramsey County Attorney prosecutors in the Yanez trial as they planned their strategy.

It wouldn't surprise Halberg if Hennepin County prosecutors deliberately filed three serious charges, hoping that one would stick.

"Prosecution work is like bird hunting," Halberg said. "You throw a bunch of pellets up in the air, you don't care what pellet brings the bird down. But you want to get something to land. The same thing here: You throw three counts up against Mr. Noor. In some ways, you don't care which one brings them down. They're all felonies. You just want something to land."


Of course the article doesn't mention the fact that Noor killed an unarmed woman while Yanez killed a man who was reaching for a firearm.
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(05-05-2019 05:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 05:38 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  All depends on who gets killed. I’ll take “Lives that Matter” for $1000, Alex.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mprnews...t-verdicts

Next time read beyond the headline before you link an article so you don't come off looking like even more of a fool.

FROM YOUR OWN LINK

Quote:Marsh Halberg, a criminal defense attorney who attended the Noor trial as an observer, said Hennepin County prosecutors in the Noor trial probably looked back at the experience of Ramsey County Attorney prosecutors in the Yanez trial as they planned their strategy.

It wouldn't surprise Halberg if Hennepin County prosecutors deliberately filed three serious charges, hoping that one would stick.

"Prosecution work is like bird hunting," Halberg said. "You throw a bunch of pellets up in the air, you don't care what pellet brings the bird down. But you want to get something to land. The same thing here: You throw three counts up against Mr. Noor. In some ways, you don't care which one brings them down. They're all felonies. You just want something to land."


Of course the article doesn't mention the fact that Noor killed an unarmed woman while Yanez killed a man who was reaching for a firearm.
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(05-05-2019 05:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 05:38 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  All depends on who gets killed. I’ll take “Lives that Matter” for $1000, Alex.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mprnews...t-verdicts

Next time read beyond the headline before you link an article so you don't come off looking like even more of a fool.

FROM YOUR OWN LINK

Quote:Marsh Halberg, a criminal defense attorney who attended the Noor trial as an observer, said Hennepin County prosecutors in the Noor trial probably looked back at the experience of Ramsey County Attorney prosecutors in the Yanez trial as they planned their strategy.

It wouldn't surprise Halberg if Hennepin County prosecutors deliberately filed three serious charges, hoping that one would stick.

"Prosecution work is like bird hunting," Halberg said. "You throw a bunch of pellets up in the air, you don't care what pellet brings the bird down. But you want to get something to land. The same thing here: You throw three counts up against Mr. Noor. In some ways, you don't care which one brings them down. They're all felonies. You just want something to land."


Of course the article doesn't mention the fact that Noor killed an unarmed woman while Yanez killed a man who was reaching for a firearm.

Castillo wasn’t reaching for a firearm.
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(05-05-2019 07:28 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 05:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 05:38 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  All depends on who gets killed. I’ll take “Lives that Matter” for $1000, Alex.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mprnews...t-verdicts

Next time read beyond the headline before you link an article so you don't come off looking like even more of a fool.

FROM YOUR OWN LINK

Quote:Marsh Halberg, a criminal defense attorney who attended the Noor trial as an observer, said Hennepin County prosecutors in the Noor trial probably looked back at the experience of Ramsey County Attorney prosecutors in the Yanez trial as they planned their strategy.

It wouldn't surprise Halberg if Hennepin County prosecutors deliberately filed three serious charges, hoping that one would stick.

"Prosecution work is like bird hunting," Halberg said. "You throw a bunch of pellets up in the air, you don't care what pellet brings the bird down. But you want to get something to land. The same thing here: You throw three counts up against Mr. Noor. In some ways, you don't care which one brings them down. They're all felonies. You just want something to land."


Of course the article doesn't mention the fact that Noor killed an unarmed woman while Yanez killed a man who was reaching for a firearm.

Castillo wasn’t reaching for a firearm.

The video disagrees.

Beside, it was Castile, not Castillo. If you are going to try and act like an expert on a subject it's a good idea to know how to spell the names of the important people properly.
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(05-05-2019 07:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:28 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 05:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 05:38 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  All depends on who gets killed. I’ll take “Lives that Matter” for $1000, Alex.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mprnews...t-verdicts

Next time read beyond the headline before you link an article so you don't come off looking like even more of a fool.

FROM YOUR OWN LINK

Quote:Marsh Halberg, a criminal defense attorney who attended the Noor trial as an observer, said Hennepin County prosecutors in the Noor trial probably looked back at the experience of Ramsey County Attorney prosecutors in the Yanez trial as they planned their strategy.

It wouldn't surprise Halberg if Hennepin County prosecutors deliberately filed three serious charges, hoping that one would stick.

"Prosecution work is like bird hunting," Halberg said. "You throw a bunch of pellets up in the air, you don't care what pellet brings the bird down. But you want to get something to land. The same thing here: You throw three counts up against Mr. Noor. In some ways, you don't care which one brings them down. They're all felonies. You just want something to land."


Of course the article doesn't mention the fact that Noor killed an unarmed woman while Yanez killed a man who was reaching for a firearm.

Castillo wasn’t reaching for a firearm.

The video disagrees.

Beside, it was Castile, not Castillo. If you are going to try and act like an expert on a subject it's a good idea to know how to spell the names of the important people properly.

Incorrect.

The eyewitness in the car said that we wasn’t reaching. Even Castille’s last words were that he wasn’t reaching.
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Affirmative Action hire, low IQ Somali. The USA at 1 time had the highest IQ, and tallest people on Earth. Now we import idiots and and low IQ phcukers.
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(05-05-2019 07:45 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:28 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 05:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 05:38 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  All depends on who gets killed. I’ll take “Lives that Matter” for $1000, Alex.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mprnews...t-verdicts
Next time read beyond the headline before you link an article so you don't come off looking like even more of a fool.
FROM YOUR OWN LINK
Quote:Marsh Halberg, a criminal defense attorney who attended the Noor trial as an observer, said Hennepin County prosecutors in the Noor trial probably looked back at the experience of Ramsey County Attorney prosecutors in the Yanez trial as they planned their strategy.
It wouldn't surprise Halberg if Hennepin County prosecutors deliberately filed three serious charges, hoping that one would stick.
"Prosecution work is like bird hunting," Halberg said. "You throw a bunch of pellets up in the air, you don't care what pellet brings the bird down. But you want to get something to land. The same thing here: You throw three counts up against Mr. Noor. In some ways, you don't care which one brings them down. They're all felonies. You just want something to land."
Of course the article doesn't mention the fact that Noor killed an unarmed woman while Yanez killed a man who was reaching for a firearm.
Castillo wasn’t reaching for a firearm.
The video disagrees.
Beside, it was Castile, not Castillo. If you are going to try and act like an expert on a subject it's a good idea to know how to spell the names of the important people properly.
Incorrect.
The eyewitness in the car said that we wasn’t reaching. Even Castille’s last words were that he wasn’t reaching.

Eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable, and neither of those are exactly unbiased, objective sources. Don't you just love the way lefties seize on one or two factoids, ignoring the preponderance of evidence leaning the other way.

Suppose he was reaching for a firearm, what would you expect them to say?
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Somalis are animals.
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(05-05-2019 08:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:45 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:28 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 05:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Next time read beyond the headline before you link an article so you don't come off looking like even more of a fool.
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Of course the article doesn't mention the fact that Noor killed an unarmed woman while Yanez killed a man who was reaching for a firearm.
Castillo wasn’t reaching for a firearm.
The video disagrees.
Beside, it was Castile, not Castillo. If you are going to try and act like an expert on a subject it's a good idea to know how to spell the names of the important people properly.
Incorrect.
The eyewitness in the car said that we wasn’t reaching. Even Castille’s last words were that he wasn’t reaching.

Eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable, and neither of those are exactly unbiased, objective sources. Don't you just love the way lefties seize on one or two factoids, ignoring the preponderance of evidence leaning the other way.

Suppose he was reaching for a firearm, what would you expect them to say?

Well Kaplony was making stuff up. Do you think his last words as he was dying were lies? The original point remains that the DA, jury and public valued one life more than the other.
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(05-05-2019 09:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 08:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:45 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:28 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Castillo wasn’t reaching for a firearm.
The video disagrees.
Beside, it was Castile, not Castillo. If you are going to try and act like an expert on a subject it's a good idea to know how to spell the names of the important people properly.
Incorrect.
The eyewitness in the car said that we wasn’t reaching. Even Castille’s last words were that he wasn’t reaching.

Eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable, and neither of those are exactly unbiased, objective sources. Don't you just love the way lefties seize on one or two factoids, ignoring the preponderance of evidence leaning the other way.

Suppose he was reaching for a firearm, what would you expect them to say?

Well Kaplony was making stuff up. Do you think his last words as he was dying were lies? The original point remains that the DA, jury and public valued one life more than the other.

Like Ron White says, you can't fix stupid.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/23...anez-juror

Quote:How the jury went from deadlock to unanimous verdict

Jurors were quick to decide Yanez's acquittal on felony weapons charges. The juror said photos of Castile's body showed that Yanez was aiming away from the two passengers, Diamond Reynolds and her 4-year-old daughter.

Jurors couldn't agree on the manslaughter charge for days, though.

"What we were looking at was some pretty obscure things to a lot of people, like culpable negligence. You think you might know what it means: It's negligent, but maybe pretty bad negligence. Well, it's gross negligence with an element of recklessness ... We had the law in front of us so we could break it down."

"It just came down to us not being able to see what was going on in the car. Some of us were saying that there was some recklessness there, but that didn't stick because we didn't know what escalated the situation: was he really seeing a gun? We felt [Yanez] was an honest guy ... and in the end, we had to go on his word, and that's what it came down to."
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(05-05-2019 09:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 09:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 08:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:45 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The video disagrees.
Beside, it was Castile, not Castillo. If you are going to try and act like an expert on a subject it's a good idea to know how to spell the names of the important people properly.
Incorrect.
The eyewitness in the car said that we wasn’t reaching. Even Castille’s last words were that he wasn’t reaching.

Eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable, and neither of those are exactly unbiased, objective sources. Don't you just love the way lefties seize on one or two factoids, ignoring the preponderance of evidence leaning the other way.

Suppose he was reaching for a firearm, what would you expect them to say?

Well Kaplony was making stuff up. Do you think his last words as he was dying were lies? The original point remains that the DA, jury and public valued one life more than the other.

Like Ron White says, you can't fix stupid.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/23...anez-juror

Quote:How the jury went from deadlock to unanimous verdict

Jurors were quick to decide Yanez's acquittal on felony weapons charges. The juror said photos of Castile's body showed that Yanez was aiming away from the two passengers, Diamond Reynolds and her 4-year-old daughter.

Jurors couldn't agree on the manslaughter charge for days, though.

"What we were looking at was some pretty obscure things to a lot of people, like culpable negligence. You think you might know what it means: It's negligent, but maybe pretty bad negligence. Well, it's gross negligence with an element of recklessness ... We had the law in front of us so we could break it down."

"It just came down to us not being able to see what was going on in the car. Some of us were saying that there was some recklessness there, but that didn't stick because we didn't know what escalated the situation: was he really seeing a gun? We felt [Yanez] was an honest guy ... and in the end, we had to go on his word, and that's what it came down to."

No proof of reaching. Ron White is owed an apology.
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(05-05-2019 09:48 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 09:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 09:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 08:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 07:45 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Incorrect.
The eyewitness in the car said that we wasn’t reaching. Even Castille’s last words were that he wasn’t reaching.

Eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable, and neither of those are exactly unbiased, objective sources. Don't you just love the way lefties seize on one or two factoids, ignoring the preponderance of evidence leaning the other way.

Suppose he was reaching for a firearm, what would you expect them to say?

Well Kaplony was making stuff up. Do you think his last words as he was dying were lies? The original point remains that the DA, jury and public valued one life more than the other.

Like Ron White says, you can't fix stupid.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/23...anez-juror

Quote:How the jury went from deadlock to unanimous verdict

Jurors were quick to decide Yanez's acquittal on felony weapons charges. The juror said photos of Castile's body showed that Yanez was aiming away from the two passengers, Diamond Reynolds and her 4-year-old daughter.

Jurors couldn't agree on the manslaughter charge for days, though.

"What we were looking at was some pretty obscure things to a lot of people, like culpable negligence. You think you might know what it means: It's negligent, but maybe pretty bad negligence. Well, it's gross negligence with an element of recklessness ... We had the law in front of us so we could break it down."

"It just came down to us not being able to see what was going on in the car. Some of us were saying that there was some recklessness there, but that didn't stick because we didn't know what escalated the situation: was he really seeing a gun? We felt [Yanez] was an honest guy ... and in the end, we had to go on his word, and that's what it came down to."

No proof of reaching. Ron White is owed an apology.

Don't have to prove he was reaching. You have to prove he wasn't, and they couldn't. The jury believed Yanez and not the prosecution. That, and the fact that like typically happens in highly charged police shooting cases an opportunistic DA with higher office in mind overcharged Yanez and was unable to make the charges stick.

As was stated in the article I shared earlier in the Noor case they learned from the mistakes made in the Yanez case and did not overcharge Noor. Between that and the fact that there was no disputing the evidence, Noor shot an unarmed Damond through the driver's side door despite sitting in the passenger seat simply because she "surprised" him, Noor was guilty. Justice was served.
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RE: First former Minnesota police officer found guilty of an on-duty murder
(05-05-2019 10:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 09:48 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 09:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 09:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 08:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable, and neither of those are exactly unbiased, objective sources. Don't you just love the way lefties seize on one or two factoids, ignoring the preponderance of evidence leaning the other way.

Suppose he was reaching for a firearm, what would you expect them to say?

Well Kaplony was making stuff up. Do you think his last words as he was dying were lies? The original point remains that the DA, jury and public valued one life more than the other.

Like Ron White says, you can't fix stupid.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/23...anez-juror

Quote:How the jury went from deadlock to unanimous verdict

Jurors were quick to decide Yanez's acquittal on felony weapons charges. The juror said photos of Castile's body showed that Yanez was aiming away from the two passengers, Diamond Reynolds and her 4-year-old daughter.

Jurors couldn't agree on the manslaughter charge for days, though.

"What we were looking at was some pretty obscure things to a lot of people, like culpable negligence. You think you might know what it means: It's negligent, but maybe pretty bad negligence. Well, it's gross negligence with an element of recklessness ... We had the law in front of us so we could break it down."

"It just came down to us not being able to see what was going on in the car. Some of us were saying that there was some recklessness there, but that didn't stick because we didn't know what escalated the situation: was he really seeing a gun? We felt [Yanez] was an honest guy ... and in the end, we had to go on his word, and that's what it came down to."

No proof of reaching. Ron White is owed an apology.

Don't have to prove he was reaching. You have to prove he wasn't, and they couldn't. The jury believed Yanez and not the prosecution. That, and the fact that like typically happens in highly charged police shooting cases an opportunistic DA with higher office in mind overcharged Yanez and was unable to make the charges stick.

As was stated in the article I shared earlier in the Noor case they learned from the mistakes made in the Yanez case and did not overcharge Noor. Between that and the fact that there was no disputing the evidence, Noor shot an unarmed Damond through the driver's side door despite sitting in the passenger seat simply because she "surprised" him, Noor was guilty. Justice was served.

You need to do better. There is so much wrong with this post. "You have to prove that he wasn't reaching?" Like you have to prove that you weren't speeding or that you didn't steal something or that you didn't rape somebody? You have it backwards.
They charged Noor with more counts than they did Yaniz, just so they could get something to stick. I'm gonna give you a pass on this one because it's Cinco de Mayo and you're probably drinking. Enjoy. 04-cheers
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(05-05-2019 11:14 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  You need to do better. There is so much wrong with this post. "You have to prove that he wasn't reaching?" Like you have to prove that you weren't speeding or that you didn't steal something or that you didn't rape somebody? You have it backwards.

You don't understand the law. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. They have to prove that you were speeding or that you stole something or that you raped someone. I this case the prosecution has to prove that he wasn't reaching, or more correctly that the defendant could not reasonably have believed that he was reaching. Whether he was actually reaching or not is legally irrelevant, it's whether the defendant reasonably thought he was reaching. The possibility that he might have been reaching is a potential defense, not an element of the crime. If the defendant is able to raise it as a reasonable defense, then the prosecution has to disprove it. The burden of proof is always on the prosecution.

Quote:They charged Noor with more counts than they did Yaniz, just so they could get something to stick. I'm gonna give you a pass on this one because it's Cinco de Mayo and you're probably drinking. Enjoy. 04-cheers

Charging with lesser included offenses is prudent prosecution, where the laws and rules of criminal procedure permit. It's always easier to prove the lesser charge.
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RE: First former Minnesota police officer found guilty of an on-duty murder
(05-05-2019 11:14 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  You need to do better. There is so much wrong with this post. "You have to prove that he wasn't reaching?" Like you have to prove that you weren't speeding or that you didn't steal something or that you didn't rape somebody? You have it backwards.

You obviously have no idea what "innocent until proven guilty" means and are completely unfamiliar with how the legal system of our country operates. The defense attorney for Yanez didn't have to prove anything, the prosecution had to prove that Castile did not reach for his gun and they failed.

Perhaps instead of trying your grade school level trolling in here so much you should actually try and educate yourself on a topic before you post. That way you will not come across as a humorless mouth-breathing leftist talking point parrot with a room temperature IQ.

Quote:They charged Noor with more counts than they did Yaniz, just so they could get something to stick.
So the prosecution indeed learned a lesson from the Yanez case? Thanks for proving my point.

Quote:I'm gonna give you a pass on this one because it's Cinco de Mayo and you're probably drinking. Enjoy. 04-cheers
I had a total of two Dos Equis yesterday. After hitting them pretty hard the day before cooking at a birthday party I took it easy yesterday. It wouldn't matter though, I could be stumbling drunk and still be smarter than you.
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