(04-26-2019 10:35 AM)SMUleopold Wrote: (04-26-2019 10:17 AM)Pony94 Wrote: (04-26-2019 10:04 AM)PT_american Wrote: What I find funny about comments people on the board continue to make about the Big 12 foldings. They are the only conference listed that gets money for 3rd tier rights outside of the conference distributions which puts several of their schools higher then the SEC payouts and the rest on par with the SEC and well above the PAC and ACC. I feel like looking at this that they could be an acquirer of schools versus getting picked apart like many continue to believe.
Someone gets it
Not really.
The Big XII issues have never been about money. I've tried to point that out, but whatever.
It's about Texas, who makes the most money of ANY college football program year-in and year-out but they still want to leave due to things like exposure, identity, and markets. Money related in some ways, yes, but it ain't really about money - they want to rub shoulders with Stanford, Cal, and UCLA and have Austin looked upon in the same way as San Fran, Seattle, Portland, etc. Additionally, A&M may make more in the SEC, but they didn't leave specifically for the money - they left because of UT looking to leave.
I honestly don't know why the PAC doesn't make a profit but they don't. Wazzou has been bleeding for years, amongst others. I suspect it's just culture at the heart of it - top to bottom, these aren't football ravenous schools like the SEC or Texas or some of the Big 10.
Also, homeboy is right - the PAC 12 doesn't expand because their aren't any really strong candidates. UT is the closest contender and you saw that went the first time.
this shows a complete and total lack of understanding of UT and it completely void of reality
1. UT could have gone to the PAC 12 easily if they wanted to and they chose not to go
2. UT talked with all of the major conferences and chose to stay in the Big 12
3. UT made a choice to sign the LHN network contract for well past the current Big 12 media deal
and while many people say that ESPN would gladly cancel that because they are losing so much money at this point the money that ESPN has lost is long gone and they are probably breaking even or slightly better on a per year basis so they have no "loss of money" to avoid any longer
and if they knew 100% that UT was desperate to get out of the contract they could easily hold UT's feet to the fire and get at least a couple of million if not more out of them to break the contract
UT is not interested in that and ESPN most likely is not either at this point....the entire reason the LHN was offered was to have UT stay in the Big 12
4. UT has made clear time and again that they do not use their athletics in a way to advance their academic standing nor do they use academics to advance their athletics
they make the choices for athletics based on what is best for athletics and their academics will make their choices based on what is best for them
UT can and does collaborate with the top universities in the country an example of this is the GMTelescope with UT AU, ASU, Harvard U Chicago and yes aggy (after an aggy alumni made a major donation to their physics department to get them in the project)
and while some may say "wow AU" well AU has one of if not the best telescope lens production facility in the world actually located in their football stajium and they are a top astronomy university
this project actually went up against the 30m Telescope with UC System Schools, Cal Tech and others and so far it is well ahead on construction thanks in part to Hawaiians not wanting the 30mT
5. aggy says a lot of stupid stuff and usually it is total lies
A. aggy said publicly in the DMN and other places they were in the Big 12 for the long term.....before 9 months later changing their mind and going back on their word and leaving
B. aggy was well aware of UT talking to the PAC 10 because aggy was one of the 5 other schools (aggy, Tech, OU, OkState and CU) that were talking to the PAC 10 as a group
the chancellor of Nebraska made this extremely clear in a lengthy interview that all but destroyed all of the BS and lies about Nebraska being mad at UT and that is why they left the Big 12.....in fact he made clear that Nebraska voted with UT on every single major issue in the Big 12 with the exception of partial qualifiers when the league first started and that vote was 11-1 against NU
NU was 100% in favor of unequal revenue sharing, NU was 100% against a conference network unless it shared revenue unequally, NU was ahead of Texas on developing their own network, and NU voted to have the CCG in dallas
so it is impossible that aggy was upset with UT for talking to the PAC 10 because aggy was in on those talks with the PAC 10
until aggy decided they did not want to be a part of a western based conference and decided they could possibly break away from Tech and UT and be a part of the SEC SEC SEC and moved to do that
but it was not because of UT talking to the PAC 10 nor was it because of the LHN because aggy made clear they voted against a conference network and also turned down the chance to start a network with UT (all on record in major news papers)
6. Texas gets all the exposure they need in the Big 12....they have their own network after all and they get top billing in all of their major games
in the PAC 12 they would have to eventually deal with late starts and the 2 hour difference in time that simply would not be overcome....par of why aggy was always hesitant
here is the article that makes clear NU had no issues with Texas and it also makes clear that aggy was talking with the PAC 10 just like UT was as a group
http://www.orangepower.com/threads/the-b...ald.97761/
it also makes clear that 5 of the 6 teams talking to the PAC 10 said they would stay of Texas stayed and
The presidents first took up the conference's future late on Thursday, June 3. And the discussion quickly came to revolve around just two schools.
Powers made it clear that if Nebraska stayed, Texas would stay.
Other than Colorado, the other schools being courted by the Pac-10 indicated they'd stay if Texas stayed.
https://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/96353309.html
"Texas A&M is a proud member of the Big 12 Conference and will continue to be affiliated with the conference in the future. As Athletics Director Bill Byrne and I have stated on numerous occasions, our hope and desire was for the Big 12 to continue. We are committed to the Big 12 and its success today and into the future."
Throughout the conference evaluation process, I was encouraged by something that I already knew -Texas A&M is incredibly strong and the passion of our current and former students, as well as our faculty and staff, is unmatched anywhere.
As evidence, I have been overwhelmed by thousands of emails, phone calls and Facebook posts from Aggies in support of any of the three options we were considering - remaining in the Big 12, or joining the Southeastern Conference or Pac-10 Conference.
Let me be clear: This decision was made in the best interests of Texas A&M and was not made in haste. As I mentioned to the Faculty Senate Monday afternoon, our top consideration was the demands placed on our student-athletes, in terms of academics, time away from the classroom, and the overall level of competition. There were also many other factors considered, including maintaining Texas A&M's strong foothold in the State of Texas and preserving our natural athletic rivalries, many of which date back more than 100 years. And, ultimately, by remaining a member of the Big 12, we were able to more than double our financial return to the levels being offered by other conferences.
I understand that some Aggies are disappointed, but
I am confident this decision will serve Texas A&M well in the years to come. As Athletic Director Bill Byrne and I stated numerous times throughout this process, our hope and desire was for the Big 12 to continue. And we both agree that this is an exciting, new day for our league.
so again what you are saying is impossible and easy to refute using the words of the "leadership" of aggy
it is simply not possible that aggy could be upset with Texas for talking to the PAC 10 when aggy makes it 100% clear they were also talking to the PAC 10
and that is abundantly clear that all know this and it was out in the open for all to know
and again in in 2010 aggy made a commitment to future YEARS in the Big 12...then of course went back on their word in spite of their nonsense that an aggy's word has value and it to be taken as truth
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