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(04-11-2019 11:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Priorities.

https://emueagles.com/news/2019/4/11/foo...kyH4gt7c64

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sick!!
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(04-11-2019 11:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Priorities.

https://emueagles.com/news/2019/4/11/foo...kyH4gt7c64

After looking at this again, I can't help but think what's going on at Miami, Ohio, and Bowling Green? None of their graduating seniors managed a cumulative GPA of 3.2 or better? And Buffalo only had one, and Toledo two. I don't know the size of their respective senior classes in football, but it doesn't say much to me about the programs' focus on helping students succeed.

Glad to see Eastern is among the top programs in the MAC in this area!
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(04-12-2019 09:37 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 11:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Priorities.

https://emueagles.com/news/2019/4/11/foo...kyH4gt7c64

After looking at this again, I can't help but think what's going on at Miami, Ohio, and Bowling Green? None of their graduating seniors managed a cumulative GPA of 3.2 or better? And Buffalo only had one, and Toledo two. I don't know the size of their respective senior classes in football, but it doesn't say much to me about the programs' focus on helping students succeed.

Glad to see Eastern is among the top programs in the MAC in this area!

And UofM:

Deep in this article on NFL draft prospects is UofM's Gary. He scored 9 (nine) on the Wonderlic (I believe a very good score is in the 30s. The test is 50 questions in 12 minutes so it is a speed test.)

How did they keep him eligible at UofM???????? According to Wikipedia, 10 is considered literate.

https://expo.mlive.com/sports/g66l-2019/...draft.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test
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(04-24-2019 05:09 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 09:37 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 11:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Priorities.

https://emueagles.com/news/2019/4/11/foo...kyH4gt7c64

After looking at this again, I can't help but think what's going on at Miami, Ohio, and Bowling Green? None of their graduating seniors managed a cumulative GPA of 3.2 or better? And Buffalo only had one, and Toledo two. I don't know the size of their respective senior classes in football, but it doesn't say much to me about the programs' focus on helping students succeed.

Glad to see Eastern is among the top programs in the MAC in this area!

And UofM:

Deep in this article on NFL draft prospects is UofM's Gary. He scored 9 (nine) on the Wonderlic (I believe a very good score is in the 30s. The test is 50 questions in 12 minutes so it is a speed test.)

How did they keep him eligible at UofM???????? According to Wikipedia, 10 is considered literate.

https://expo.mlive.com/sports/g66l-2019/...draft.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test

Definitely not a good score, but you also have to take into consideration that he has battled dyslexia his whole life.
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Okay.
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Bad thread, worse content.
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(04-24-2019 06:03 PM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  
(04-24-2019 05:09 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 09:37 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 11:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Priorities.

https://emueagles.com/news/2019/4/11/foo...kyH4gt7c64

After looking at this again, I can't help but think what's going on at Miami, Ohio, and Bowling Green? None of their graduating seniors managed a cumulative GPA of 3.2 or better? And Buffalo only had one, and Toledo two. I don't know the size of their respective senior classes in football, but it doesn't say much to me about the programs' focus on helping students succeed.

Glad to see Eastern is among the top programs in the MAC in this area!

And UofM:

Deep in this article on NFL draft prospects is UofM's Gary. He scored 9 (nine) on the Wonderlic (I believe a very good score is in the 30s. The test is 50 questions in 12 minutes so it is a speed test.)

How did they keep him eligible at UofM???????? According to Wikipedia, 10 is considered literate.

https://expo.mlive.com/sports/g66l-2019/...draft.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test

Definitely not a good score, but you also have to take into consideration that he has battled dyslexia his whole life.

You don't battle is not with dyslexia your battle is with the people who think it's a form of mental illness. You learm how to deal and work around your disability not fight with it.
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(04-24-2019 08:52 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  
(04-24-2019 06:03 PM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  
(04-24-2019 05:09 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 09:37 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 11:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Priorities.

https://emueagles.com/news/2019/4/11/foo...kyH4gt7c64

After looking at this again, I can't help but think what's going on at Miami, Ohio, and Bowling Green? None of their graduating seniors managed a cumulative GPA of 3.2 or better? And Buffalo only had one, and Toledo two. I don't know the size of their respective senior classes in football, but it doesn't say much to me about the programs' focus on helping students succeed.

Glad to see Eastern is among the top programs in the MAC in this area!

And UofM:

Deep in this article on NFL draft prospects is UofM's Gary. He scored 9 (nine) on the Wonderlic (I believe a very good score is in the 30s. The test is 50 questions in 12 minutes so it is a speed test.)

How did they keep him eligible at UofM???????? According to Wikipedia, 10 is considered literate.

https://expo.mlive.com/sports/g66l-2019/...draft.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test

Definitely not a good score, but you also have to take into consideration that he has battled dyslexia his whole life.

You don't battle is not with dyslexia your battle is with the people who think it's a form of mental illness. You learm how to deal and work around your disability not fight with it.

standardized tests are unarguably nonsense. next question
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Here comes another anti-football post. Not really if you have some patience.

College football and probably other sports expects way too much from its students. Few of them are pro prospects yet they're expected to devote time and make sacrifices like that's where there future is. If you notice football players are disproportionately in less demanding academic programs. This undoubtedly is partially explained by heavy time commitment to the sport.

Here a just a few ideas that might help.
- Make the academic portion of the scholarship good until a diploma is earned. Students would have less pressure to complete their education while they're still eligible for the sport.
- Cut back on the number of practices and other team time commitments.
- Go back to an eleven game schedule. With the abundance of bowl games the season is many weeks longer for about half the teams than it was a short time ago.
- Make freshmen ineligible. Most are red shirted anyway.

Just a few ideas.

I knew a guy from southwest Detroit who went to u of m on a football scholarship. He wanted to go into pharmacy. The coaches discouraged him and he gave up on the idea.
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(04-25-2019 09:17 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Here comes another anti-football post. Not really if you have some patience.

College football and probably other sports expects way too much from its students. Few of them are pro prospects yet they're expected to devote time and make sacrifices like that's where there future is. If you notice football players are disproportionately in less demanding academic programs. This undoubtedly is partially explained by heavy time commitment to the sport.

Here a just a few ideas that might help.
- Make the academic portion of the scholarship good until a diploma is earned. Students would have less pressure to complete their education while they're still eligible for the sport.
- Cut back on the number of practices and other team time commitments.
- Go back to an eleven game schedule. With the abundance of bowl games the season is many weeks longer for about half the teams than it was a short time ago.
- Make freshmen ineligible. Most are red shirted anyway.

Just a few ideas.

I knew a guy from southwest Detroit who went to u of m on a football scholarship. He wanted to go into pharmacy. The coaches discouraged him and he gave up on the idea.

I tend to agree with you. College FB has become NFL-lite.

Reducing the time commitment wouldn't be a bad thing.

Mandatory redshirts for college frosh FB would be a good thing. Recruits would hate it but it would be in their best interests.
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(04-25-2019 09:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-25-2019 09:17 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Here comes another anti-football post. Not really if you have some patience.

College football and probably other sports expects way too much from its students. Few of them are pro prospects yet they're expected to devote time and make sacrifices like that's where there future is. If you notice football players are disproportionately in less demanding academic programs. This undoubtedly is partially explained by heavy time commitment to the sport.

Here a just a few ideas that might help.
- Make the academic portion of the scholarship good until a diploma is earned. Students would have less pressure to complete their education while they're still eligible for the sport.
- Cut back on the number of practices and other team time commitments.
- Go back to an eleven game schedule. With the abundance of bowl games the season is many weeks longer for about half the teams than it was a short time ago.
- Make freshmen ineligible. Most are red shirted anyway.

Just a few ideas.

I knew a guy from southwest Detroit who went to u of m on a football scholarship. He wanted to go into pharmacy. The coaches discouraged him and he gave up on the idea.

I tend to agree with you. College FB has become NFL-lite.

Reducing the time commitment wouldn't be a bad thing.

Mandatory redshirts for college frosh FB would be a good thing. Recruits would hate it but it would be in their best interests.

They should pay the dang players
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I was really impressed that JTIV had a major in biology and hope he succeeded with it, but I admit it's none of my business.
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(04-25-2019 09:58 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  {snipped non-pertinent content}

They should pay the dang players

As the father of a student-athlete and as a college administrator, I would argue that scholarship athletes are paid. They receive their academic scholarship, books, fees, housing allocation, food allocation, allocation for incidentals, uniforms and equuipment, athletic apparrel, training table meals and supplements, training services, counseling, tutoring, and other various tangible and intangible benefits. All of that is real-cost stuff that non-athlete students do not receive. They are, effectively, compensated for playing a game.

Are they compensated in a manner that is in accordance with the revenue generated for the school? In large part that depends on the school. At Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, and other such biggies, the answer is arguably, "No." But even at those schools, they ARE compensated for playing a game.

When you look at all the hours they put into practice, conditioning, film and chalk, and playing, it would be interesting to see how that works out into an hourly wage. When you consider the annual cost of tuition, housing, meals, etc., it likely exceeds $20,000 a year, which would put their compensation above minimum wage for a 40 hour work week. And I don't believe these kids are spending 8 hours a day on their sport. This does ignore the whole issue of walk-ons and other non-scholarship athletes. Too many tangents in this issue to address them all here.

These comments will probably piss some people off, but you can't argue these are facts.
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(04-25-2019 03:39 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(04-25-2019 09:58 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  {snipped non-pertinent content}

They should pay the dang players

As the father of a student-athlete and as a college administrator, I would argue that scholarship athletes are paid. They receive their academic scholarship, books, fees, housing allocation, food allocation, allocation for incidentals, uniforms and equuipment, athletic apparrel, training table meals and supplements, training services, counseling, tutoring, and other various tangible and intangible benefits. All of that is real-cost stuff that non-athlete students do not receive. They are, effectively, compensated for playing a game.

Are they compensated in a manner that is in accordance with the revenue generated for the school? In large part that depends on the school. At Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, and other such biggies, the answer is arguably, "No." But even at those schools, they ARE compensated for playing a game.

When you look at all the hours they put into practice, conditioning, film and chalk, and playing, it would be interesting to see how that works out into an hourly wage. When you consider the annual cost of tuition, housing, meals, etc., it likely exceeds $20,000 a year, which would put their compensation above minimum wage for a 40 hour work week. And I don't believe these kids are spending 8 hours a day on their sport. This does ignore the whole issue of walk-ons and other non-scholarship athletes. Too many tangents in this issue to address them all here.

These comments will probably piss some people off, but you can't argue these are facts.

Probably one the MOST intelligent and revealing posts on this website! Thanks for the first hand financial accounting.
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