(03-30-2019 11:20 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 10:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 09:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 09:16 AM)king king Wrote:  Take down Obamacare asap, imo. It should never have been legalized in the first place. It's a tax. It's not a tax. BS. John Roberts is a traitor to the American citizen because of his decision.

It was Romneycare first when he implemented in Mass. as a governor. It was first introduced by Newt Gingrich based on the healthcare system of Israel.
Obama just used the Republican's idea, and got it into law. The only reason the Republicans want to kill it, and bring the same exact bill to make it a Republican's stamp on the whole thing.

Wrong. It was not the republican idea. They used some of the same words--probably so they could dishonestly claim it was the republican idea, but they perverted the words into different meanings. For example, exchanges were a republican word, but the republican idea was interstate purchases of insurance, and the exchanges were the way Germany facilitates that; Obamacare does not allow interstate purchases of insurance, so the exchanges are not a republican idea.

tell me why any of that matters in any capacity other than the "dishonesty"....

people like you like argue about shite that doesn't matter in scope....

you're no different than any current politician that focuses on the microbial...

the cost of healthcare relative to actual resolve is no different today than what/how the cost of fuel became after Katrina....

you're simply reaping the rewards of gouging....

it's pretty dayum simple when the largest generation ages, the shitestorm of healthcare for the rest was going to suffer....

fk your generation.....ewe're spoiled li'l arses screwed the rest down the line....

When most of the old line mafia converted to "legitimate" business all that meant was that now instead of running gambling and prostitution and narcotics against the law they would invest in banking, nursing homes, assisted living, hospitals and funeral homes and the insurance companies they depend upon so that they could make money off of the wealthiest generation from the time they started their general decline of health until their heirs buried them. Once they became legitimate conglomerates the new white collar mafia lobbied Washington for all of their perks.

The affordable care act was a favor to the insurance conglomerates for bailing out the banks in 2008-9. They were after all the best vested group of businesses in the U.S.. But they feared the massive payouts near the end of the Boomer's lives. That's why neither the Dems nor Repubs are going to get it repealed. They will milk it in it's hybridized version until the Boomers are statistically gone and then they'll revert to private insurance at a higher rate for gen X and those that follow. Why not go full socialized health care? It won't be as profitable on both ends.

They've already made most doctors their top field hands because private practices can't deal with all of the insurance crap and taking up to 120 days to get paid.

Government and insurance companies want Boomers to go, but they want to milk them all the way to the deep six. Then I promise you the same sheisse congress will start hitting inheritance with heavier taxes to make sure nothing gets passed on.

(03-30-2019 11:20 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 10:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 09:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 09:16 AM)king king Wrote:  Take down Obamacare asap, imo. It should never have been legalized in the first place. It's a tax. It's not a tax. BS. John Roberts is a traitor to the American citizen because of his decision.

It was Romneycare first when he implemented in Mass. as a governor. It was first introduced by Newt Gingrich based on the healthcare system of Israel.
Obama just used the Republican's idea, and got it into law. The only reason the Republicans want to kill it, and bring the same exact bill to make it a Republican's stamp on the whole thing.

Wrong. It was not the republican idea. They used some of the same words--probably so they could dishonestly claim it was the republican idea, but they perverted the words into different meanings. For example, exchanges were a republican word, but the republican idea was interstate purchases of insurance, and the exchanges were the way Germany facilitates that; Obamacare does not allow interstate purchases of insurance, so the exchanges are not a republican idea.

tell me why any of that matters in any capacity other than the "dishonesty"....

Why it matters is that what really was the republican idea, the Heritage proposal, is actually a step in the right direction--toward Bismarck. Obamacare is a step in the wrong direction--toward single-payer/single-provider. Strip Obamacare of all the single-payer/single-provider elements (which basically gobble up overhead now) and you might have something. Obamacare combined the worst aspect of our old system--tying health insurance to employment--with the worst aspect of a single-payer/single-provider system--replacing the doctor-patient relationship with centralized bureaucratic decision-making. Bismarck--and Heritage--eliminate both. Romneycare did not--because it was a compromise with a democrat-dominated legislature.

You could require everybody to have insurance and subsidize it with a significant tax credit, enough to pay for a basic policy (basically, Swiss/Dutch Bismarck). Encourage insurers and providers to develop jointly a "free" side delivery system that works essentially on a capitation basis, paid for by the basic policy, and a "pay" side that works on a fee-for-service basis, paid out-of-pocket or through supplemental insurance. Let people purchase interstate, to increase competition, and utilize the exchanges to facilitate purchases of out-of-state insurance (although as my friend Hambone pointed out, this is not necessarily a significant improvement under the current way insurers and networks operate, but I would expect changes to that). Encourage, not discourage, Health Savings/Spending Accounts. Reduce the cost to providers by adopting Swedish no-fault malpractice (which also provides a better way to get rid of bad docs). Subsidize or fund medical school and residency in exchange for committing to serve X years as a salaried employee of "free" side medical providers.

(03-30-2019 11:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 11:20 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 10:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 09:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 09:16 AM)king king Wrote:  Take down Obamacare asap, imo. It should never have been legalized in the first place. It's a tax. It's not a tax. BS. John Roberts is a traitor to the American citizen because of his decision.

It was Romneycare first when he implemented in Mass. as a governor. It was first introduced by Newt Gingrich based on the healthcare system of Israel.
Obama just used the Republican's idea, and got it into law. The only reason the Republicans want to kill it, and bring the same exact bill to make it a Republican's stamp on the whole thing.

Wrong. It was not the republican idea. They used some of the same words--probably so they could dishonestly claim it was the republican idea, but they perverted the words into different meanings. For example, exchanges were a republican word, but the republican idea was interstate purchases of insurance, and the exchanges were the way Germany facilitates that; Obamacare does not allow interstate purchases of insurance, so the exchanges are not a republican idea.

tell me why any of that matters in any capacity other than the "dishonesty"....

people like you like argue about shite that doesn't matter in scope....

you're no different than any current politician that focuses on the microbial...

the cost of healthcare relative to actual resolve is no different today than what/how the cost of fuel became after Katrina....

you're simply reaping the rewards of gouging....

it's pretty dayum simple when the largest generation ages, the shitestorm of healthcare for the rest was going to suffer....

fk your generation.....ewe're spoiled li'l arses screwed the rest down the line....

When most of the old line mafia converted to "legitimate" business all that meant was that now instead of running gambling and prostitution and narcotics against the law they would invest in banking, nursing homes, assisted living, hospitals and funeral homes and the insurance companies they depend upon so that they could make money off of the wealthiest generation from the time they started their general decline of health until their heirs buried them. Once they became legitimate conglomerates the new white collar mafia lobbied Washington for all of their perks.

The affordable care act was a favor to the insurance conglomerates for bailing out the banks in 2008-9. They were after all the best vested group of businesses in the U.S.. But they feared the massive payouts near the end of the Boomer's lives. That's why neither the Dems nor Repubs are going to get it repealed. They will milk it in it's hybridized version until the Boomers are statistically gone and then they'll revert to private insurance at a higher rate for gen X and those that follow. Why not go full socialized health care? It won't be as profitable on both ends.

They've already made most doctors their top field hands because private practices can't deal with all of the insurance crap and taking up to 120 days to get paid.

Government and insurance companies want Boomers to go, but they want to milk them all the way to the deep six. Then I promise you the same sheisse congress will start hitting inheritance with heavier taxes to make sure nothing gets passed on.

XACLY!

as usual, your voice of reason strikes again....

it never ceases to amaze me how too many don't understand how/why they're being gouged...