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(03-19-2019 08:05 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:36 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:14 PM)jarr Wrote:  Not happy about the ESPN+ deal. Might just go the Dan and Terry route for those games.

Or just skip those entirely. NFW I give E$PIN even more $$$.

Exactly. I’m not giving those $hitheads another dime after they destroyed the Big East and left us out in the cold.

LOL. I'm sure you all have Bob Iger shaking in his boots....

One less customer doesn't make a difference, but I still choose to vote with my wallet out of principle. There's nothing that represents capitalism and democracy more than that.

(03-19-2019 09:32 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:05 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:36 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:14 PM)jarr Wrote:  Not happy about the ESPN+ deal. Might just go the Dan and Terry route for those games.

Or just skip those entirely. NFW I give E$PIN even more $$$.

Exactly. I’m not giving those $hitheads another dime after they destroyed the Big East and left us out in the cold.

LOL. I'm sure you all have Bob Iger shaking in his boots....

One less customer doesn't make a difference, but I still choose to vote with my wallet out of principle. There's nothing that represents capitalism and democracy more than that.

Guess there's nothing wrong with depriving yourself of something you enjoy to make a futile gesture, just seems silly and self defeating to me.

(03-19-2019 09:32 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:57 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:22 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:05 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  Exactly. I’m not giving those $hitheads another dime after they destroyed the Big East and left us out in the cold.

LOL. I'm sure you all have Bob Iger shaking in his boots....

Not sure what your point was but no, I don't think my decision to refuse being extorted for money by Disney will cause any consternation in the board room. I'm just a cheap SOB who hates E$PIN's monopolistic control over sports.

I actually hope that they move enough UC FB & BB off cable channels so I can justify dropping them.

Point is you're probably not much of a fan to begin with if you're too cheap to part with what is basically pocket change to have the pleasure of seeing our boys play. It's not ideal, but you're not punishing anyone but yourself.

Lol UC gets punished in this deal.

Like I said, if you're too much of a tightwad to part with about 13 cents/day, you're likely not much of a fan anyway. UC athletics will be fine without you.

For those complaining about paying for ESPN+ just remember that if you want UC to become a big time program then we need to pay up and act like big time fans. The hardcore fans of the major power programs are paying crazy prices for tickets, traveling to road games, buying team gear. It’s really expensive to be a fan of high major college teams. Pro teams fans would say the same thing.

Whether it’s ESPN, a cable company, shoe company, university, or some other entity connected to college sports we are going to be the ones paying for it along with the students. The days of watching your favorite team exclusivelt on OTA networks are long gone. Bearcat basketball on fox 19 is a distant memory.

(03-19-2019 09:08 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 04:42 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  This deal is akin to making $15 an hour and having the minimum wage raised to $15 an hour.

^^^^
YUP!

Billy sums up my initial reaction.

That's what everything has felt like since the Big East fell apart. We escaped CUSA, only to find that the trailer-park moved into our neighborhood. Now we are making basically what we did in the BE (a little less, net, actually) but BOOM! so is Tulsa, Memphis, and the rest of the old CUSA crew.

We're not actually making any ground here. And if the best logic anyone can come up with is "Well, at least we're making more than the other midgets..." well...that's precious little comfort I guess. And waiting for the next round of Power castoffs...sigh...

Even if we got a $12-$15 million dollar deal...when you put that beside the B1G schools projecting upwards of $45-$50M next year, it was never going to make any difference in closing the gap. That said, we certainly aren't going to turn the deal down because there is no other choice at this time. At least not an easy one. As many of us have been saying, we is fugged long term if not short term. My frustration in this whole thing is the bonehead Memphis President yapping his mouth and we still don't have any official announcement or press release. I want to know what the entire media package is so we can accept it and move on. Right now we're all speculating on "sources."

(03-19-2019 09:57 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 09:32 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:57 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:22 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:05 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  LOL. I'm sure you all have Bob Iger shaking in his boots....

Not sure what your point was but no, I don't think my decision to refuse being extorted for money by Disney will cause any consternation in the board room. I'm just a cheap SOB who hates E$PIN's monopolistic control over sports.

I actually hope that they move enough UC FB & BB off cable channels so I can justify dropping them.

Point is you're probably not much of a fan to begin with if you're too cheap to part with what is basically pocket change to have the pleasure of seeing our boys play. It's not ideal, but you're not punishing anyone but yourself.

Lol UC gets punished in this deal.

Like I said, if you're too much of a tightwad to part with about 13 cents/day, you're likely not much of a fan anyway. UC athletics will be fine without you.

Once again I get schooled at Banter on how I'm not a 'real' fan. Thanks.

The sooner the cable model dies and ESPN begins circling the drain, the better for collegiate sports.

It's criminal that I need to shell out money to three or four separate entities to be able to watch all Bearcats sporting events. Two of which can't be accessed (legally) without subscription to a larger package that includes unrelated channels.

(03-20-2019 12:06 AM)crex043 Wrote:  The sooner the cable model dies and ESPN begins circling the drain, the better for collegiate sports.

It's criminal that I need to shell out money to three or four separate entities to be able to watch all Bearcats sporting events. Two of which can't be accessed (legally) without subscription to a larger package that includes unrelated channels.

I don't really like the cable/sat bundled subscription model but thinking that a streaming alternative will be cheaper is a fool's errand.

In my mind UC should offer all Bearcat games that appear on ESPN+ on Bearcat TV for free to our fans. The school should pick up the fee for all UC fans. At the least the ratings would be greater for any game placed on ESPN+. Just a thought.

(03-20-2019 04:03 AM)kyucat Wrote:  In my mind UC should offer all Bearcat games that appear on ESPN+ on Bearcat TV for free to our fans. The school should pick up the fee for all UC fans. At the least the ratings would be greater for any game placed on ESPN+. Just a thought.

That’s a good thought, but since ESPN will have the rights to the games they will not let UC do that.

This would be an unpopular post on the main board, but let's face it - there are a few schools in the AAC that just don't move the needle at all in either of the two major sports.

It's very difficult to sell the conference when the overall strength of it is lacking.

Some of the lower rung schools should be mighty thankful they are in a conference with UC (and some others) or they would still be getting CUSA money.

Better than nothing but still a "deadpool" contract. Just enough oxygen for the conference to stay alive.

(03-19-2019 08:05 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:36 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:14 PM)jarr Wrote:  Not happy about the ESPN+ deal. Might just go the Dan and Terry route for those games.

Or just skip those entirely. NFW I give E$PIN even more $$$.

Exactly. I’m not giving those $hitheads another dime after they destroyed the Big East and left us out in the cold.

LOL. I'm sure you all have Bob Iger shaking in his boots....

Why would I care?

(03-19-2019 08:00 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:36 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:14 PM)jarr Wrote:  Not happy about the ESPN+ deal. Might just go the Dan and Terry route for those games.

Or just skip those entirely. NFW I give E$PIN even more $$$.

Exactly. I’m not giving those $hitheads another dime after they destroyed the Big East and left us out in the cold.

I hope you didnt have an Insider account...of you did, you've already bought ESPN+ without knowing it.

No I don't. Thankfully.

(03-19-2019 09:32 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:57 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:22 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 08:05 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 07:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  Exactly. I’m not giving those $hitheads another dime after they destroyed the Big East and left us out in the cold.

LOL. I'm sure you all have Bob Iger shaking in his boots....

Not sure what your point was but no, I don't think my decision to refuse being extorted for money by Disney will cause any consternation in the board room. I'm just a cheap SOB who hates E$PIN's monopolistic control over sports.

I actually hope that they move enough UC FB & BB off cable channels so I can justify dropping them.

Point is you're probably not much of a fan to begin with if you're too cheap to part with what is basically pocket change to have the pleasure of seeing our boys play. It's not ideal, but you're not punishing anyone but yourself.

Lol UC gets punished in this deal.

Yep. Sad, but true. Oh well. They agreed to it, apparently.

(03-20-2019 05:53 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  This would be an unpopular post on the main board, but let's face it - there are a few schools in the AAC that just don't move the needle at all in either of the two major sports.

It's very difficult to sell the conference when the overall strength of it is lacking.

Some of the lower rung schools should be mighty thankful they are in a conference with UC (and some others) or they would still be getting CUSA money.

They should never have been added to the league. It watered it down and made it far less attractive as a whole. It's killing the basketball league's perception. A 9 or 10 team league looks a whole lot different if you drop the bottom feeders. If they were so desperate to get to 12 teams for a conference championship in football they really should have sat back and taken their time and picked better options.

(03-20-2019 08:06 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 05:53 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  This would be an unpopular post on the main board, but let's face it - there are a few schools in the AAC that just don't move the needle at all in either of the two major sports.

It's very difficult to sell the conference when the overall strength of it is lacking.

Some of the lower rung schools should be mighty thankful they are in a conference with UC (and some others) or they would still be getting CUSA money.

They should never have been added to the league. It watered it down and made it far less attractive as a whole. It's killing the basketball league's perception. A 9 or 10 team league looks a whole lot different if you drop the bottom feeders. If they were so desperate to get to 12 teams for a conference championship in football they really should have sat back and taken their time and picked better options.

Don't forget, adding Tulane was what killed the private school's desire to stay in this conference as basketball only. They've literally brought us nothing.

(03-20-2019 08:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 08:06 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 05:53 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  This would be an unpopular post on the main board, but let's face it - there are a few schools in the AAC that just don't move the needle at all in either of the two major sports.

It's very difficult to sell the conference when the overall strength of it is lacking.

Some of the lower rung schools should be mighty thankful they are in a conference with UC (and some others) or they would still be getting CUSA money.

They should never have been added to the league. It watered it down and made it far less attractive as a whole. It's killing the basketball league's perception. A 9 or 10 team league looks a whole lot different if you drop the bottom feeders. If they were so desperate to get to 12 teams for a conference championship in football they really should have sat back and taken their time and picked better options.

Don't forget, adding Tulane was what killed the private school's desire to stay in this conference as basketball only. They've literally brought us nothing.

Yep. That's what I remember as well. The addition of Tulane and a couple of others made absolutely zero sense and were really poor decisions.

(03-20-2019 08:46 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 08:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 08:06 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 05:53 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  This would be an unpopular post on the main board, but let's face it - there are a few schools in the AAC that just don't move the needle at all in either of the two major sports.

It's very difficult to sell the conference when the overall strength of it is lacking.

Some of the lower rung schools should be mighty thankful they are in a conference with UC (and some others) or they would still be getting CUSA money.

They should never have been added to the league. It watered it down and made it far less attractive as a whole. It's killing the basketball league's perception. A 9 or 10 team league looks a whole lot different if you drop the bottom feeders. If they were so desperate to get to 12 teams for a conference championship in football they really should have sat back and taken their time and picked better options.

Don't forget, adding Tulane was what killed the private school's desire to stay in this conference as basketball only. They've literally brought us nothing.

Yep. That's what I remember as well. The addition of Tulane and a couple of others made absolutely zero sense and were really poor decisions.

It would be one thing if Tulane was bad on the field but still had a rabid fanbase (like ECU) but unfortunately nobody even cares about them. They average 1,500 fans in basketball - dead last in the conference by a long shot. Somehow they list over 18,000 per game in football (second to last in conference) but that has to be a sham. Most games of their games I've seen I'd be shocked if there's even half that amount.

A major reason Tulane has attendance issues is that they have a fairly small enrollment (13K) and most of the students are not from New Orleans (or Louisiana for that matter). After they graduate they do not stay in town. There is a disconnect between the city and the school. Its a Saints town primarily followed by LSU (which is just up the road 80 miles in Baton Rouge).

A lot of the same can be said about Tulsa. They have only 5K students and a small alumni base. The city is OU country (and also quite a few Arkansas fans as well). Their will always be a limited ceiling to their potential support base.