(02-26-2019 04:15 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:40 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If a meaningless and poorly attended conference tournament is what we're after, by all means lets stick with what we're doing. I'm giving this setup in Frisco one more chance. If it doesn't work, it's time to think outside the box. Someone here please suggest some other options that we haven't touched on a million times before. At this point, if we aren't willing to try something drastic, we shouldn't hold a tournament at all. Just extend the season by two games.

So what are you going to do? Not attend...do you now?

Your school is lucky to get over 1,000 for a home game, (50 to 100 for conference tourney) yet you seem to think think a tourney with SBC schools will make them show up. You can do the same thing for UTSA and for S. Miss.....

double that for the rest of the western schools for home games....but still the 50 to 100 fans for a conference tourney.

Again playing SBC schools in a conference tourney in New Orleans...it will be worse.

Let me tell you how you change it and it doesnt take crazy to do it...SUPPORT YOUR FREAKING SCHOOL. That's it and if you dont all the crazy ideals in the world wont help.

You're really trying to tell me that geography has nothing to do with this? You can't be serious. Yeah, I'm the one who has lost his mind.

You made this same argument in football and I've shown you over and over...

no it doesn't matter.

FAN SUPPORT is the only thing that will fix low attendance...playing a tourney a couple hundred miles closer on average is not going to fix that.

If the western part of CUSA is not traveling to Frisco, they are not traveling to New Orleans. You repeating this bull**** over and over is not going to change it....

I've come to the collision they dont teach common sense at Rice...students dont enter school with it either. Logical thinking, either.

Support your freaking school and go to the conference tourney...is the way you fix low attendance. Not do something silly like you want and still not address the why.

COMMON SENSE

Don't you mean "conclusion?"

No I mean

COMMON SENSE

Maybe I'm wrong but you seem to believe if you repeat something over and over, for months and months it changes FACTS. Puts me in mind of MSM on something else.

The only regional games that draw more attendance....the visiting team has large fanbase and brings fans. For Rice that would be a Baylor, or Texas but not another CUSA or SBC school. Or maybe a local FCS school

(02-26-2019 03:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:33 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If a meaningless and poorly attended conference tournament is what we're after, by all means lets stick with what we're doing. I'm giving this setup in Frisco one more chance. If it doesn't work, it's time to think outside the box. Someone here please suggest some other options that we haven't touched on a million times before. At this point, if we aren't willing to try something drastic, we shouldn't hold a tournament at all. Just extend the season by two games.

This is probably the worst take of 2019 so far. Congrats

What would you do differently next year? What's your idea for turning the tournament into a success? Lay it all on the line.

Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

(02-26-2019 04:41 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:33 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If a meaningless and poorly attended conference tournament is what we're after, by all means lets stick with what we're doing. I'm giving this setup in Frisco one more chance. If it doesn't work, it's time to think outside the box. Someone here please suggest some other options that we haven't touched on a million times before. At this point, if we aren't willing to try something drastic, we shouldn't hold a tournament at all. Just extend the season by two games.

This is probably the worst take of 2019 so far. Congrats

What would you do differently next year? What's your idea for turning the tournament into a success? Lay it all on the line.

Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

CUSA must make some money from the conference tourney so unless schools are willing to let CUSA run the games...that's not going to happen. Then it doesn't address schools that dont draw many fans. Just a few off the top of my head that draws 700 to 2000 most nights and that's announced attendance

Rice
UTSA
S.Miss
FIU
FAU

So that really doesn't fix the problem. It makes it better for basketball schools, if they are the higher seed. But if CUSA is controlling the event and set tickets at $25 to $35. That's going to lower attendance. Especially at those schools that only draw 2k, with most of those free tickets or lower priced.

(02-26-2019 04:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:15 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:40 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So what are you going to do? Not attend...do you now?

Your school is lucky to get over 1,000 for a home game, (50 to 100 for conference tourney) yet you seem to think think a tourney with SBC schools will make them show up. You can do the same thing for UTSA and for S. Miss.....

double that for the rest of the western schools for home games....but still the 50 to 100 fans for a conference tourney.

Again playing SBC schools in a conference tourney in New Orleans...it will be worse.

Let me tell you how you change it and it doesnt take crazy to do it...SUPPORT YOUR FREAKING SCHOOL. That's it and if you dont all the crazy ideals in the world wont help.

You're really trying to tell me that geography has nothing to do with this? You can't be serious. Yeah, I'm the one who has lost his mind.

You made this same argument in football and I've shown you over and over...

no it doesn't matter.

FAN SUPPORT is the only thing that will fix low attendance...playing a tourney a couple hundred miles closer on average is not going to fix that.

If the western part of CUSA is not traveling to Frisco, they are not traveling to New Orleans. You repeating this bull**** over and over is not going to change it....

I've come to the collision they dont teach common sense at Rice...students dont enter school with it either. Logical thinking, either.

Support your freaking school and go to the conference tourney...is the way you fix low attendance. Not do something silly like you want and still not address the why.

COMMON SENSE

Don't you mean "conclusion?"

No I mean

COMMON SENSE

Maybe I'm wrong but you seem to believe if you repeat something over and over, for months and months it changes FACTS. Puts me in mind of MSM on something else.

The only regional games that draw more attendance....the visiting team has large fanbase and brings fans. For Rice that would be a Baylor, or Texas but not another CUSA or SBC school. Or maybe a local FCS school

Don't get mad Smartguy. Two regional tournaments consolidates the fan bases of 12-14 schools that are all within about 450 miles of one another. Right now, our one tournament mostly draws from the fan bases of about 4-5 schools. You may have the time and the financial means to make the long trip, but that's not the case for most fans. What about that is hard to understand? And I apologize for making you look foolish...again. It's really not intentional.

(02-26-2019 04:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:15 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:40 PM)Ourland Wrote:  You're really trying to tell me that geography has nothing to do with this? You can't be serious. Yeah, I'm the one who has lost his mind.

You made this same argument in football and I've shown you over and over...

no it doesn't matter.

FAN SUPPORT is the only thing that will fix low attendance...playing a tourney a couple hundred miles closer on average is not going to fix that.

If the western part of CUSA is not traveling to Frisco, they are not traveling to New Orleans. You repeating this bull**** over and over is not going to change it....

I've come to the collision they dont teach common sense at Rice...students dont enter school with it either. Logical thinking, either.

Support your freaking school and go to the conference tourney...is the way you fix low attendance. Not do something silly like you want and still not address the why.

COMMON SENSE

Don't you mean "conclusion?"

No I mean

COMMON SENSE

Maybe I'm wrong but you seem to believe if you repeat something over and over, for months and months it changes FACTS. Puts me in mind of MSM on something else.

The only regional games that draw more attendance....the visiting team has large fanbase and brings fans. For Rice that would be a Baylor, or Texas but not another CUSA or SBC school. Or maybe a local FCS school

Don't get mad Smartguy. Two regional tournaments consolidates the fan bases of 12-14 schools that are all within about 450 miles of one another. Right now, our one tournament mostly draws from the fan bases of about 4-5 schools. You may have the time and the financial means to make the long trip, but that's not the case for most fans. What about that is hard to understand? And I apologize for making you look foolish...again. It's really not intentional.

You are still talking about a 4 to 7 hour drive for most fans. If those fans are not going to make a 5 to 15 minute drive for home games. They are not going to a conference tourney that is still going to cost them....

$230 for the first night
Hotel $100
Food $40
Ticket $30 to $40
Gas 700 mile avg round trip $65

If their team wins
$40 food
$30-$40 ticket
$100 room

So another $170

Not to mention, taking 2 to 3 days off work

Being a few hours closer is not reducing any of the above nor is it bring higher attendance. If a team does not have good support....

where its played will not matter.

As for making me look foolish...again, just because you say something, doesn't make it true. I believe most people can see the foolishness in your ideas.

COMMON SENSE.....try it sometimes. Those that say they would make the 4 to 7 hour drive. Well most of them are fooling themselves because I've heard it before. Move the tourney to a short drive and I will be there.

Well about 85 to 90% of the Western fans that made it to B'ham, makes to most conference tourneys Western plays in. So what people say on a message board doesn't usually happen when it comes down to it. Nope, those same fans sit at home watching on TV.

It's the same fans that ***** about paying $10 to watch their team play a basketball game on TV or the Internet. Yet you seem to think hundreds or thousands of them are driving 3 to 7 hours and spending 3 or 4 hundred dollars just because the tourney is closer. Yeah, those same fans that ***** about paying $10 or driving down the street to the games.

Foolish? COMMON SENSE, and experience. BTW, I never got mad, I stuck to the facts or opinion about why your ideal was foolish. But you seem to be a little angry, all of a sudden.

I think the only way CUSA will have good crowds is to host it at a members gym. Instead of submitting the bid the year before I would start the bidding process halfway through the season and have it completed by the end of the week. Those teams having a good year can make an offer. It should get bidding wars going if say UTEP, UAB, and or ODU are having a good season. This will give the city and the fan bases at least a month to make plans after CUSA awards the winning university the bid.

(02-26-2019 04:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:41 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:33 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If a meaningless and poorly attended conference tournament is what we're after, by all means lets stick with what we're doing. I'm giving this setup in Frisco one more chance. If it doesn't work, it's time to think outside the box. Someone here please suggest some other options that we haven't touched on a million times before. At this point, if we aren't willing to try something drastic, we shouldn't hold a tournament at all. Just extend the season by two games.

This is probably the worst take of 2019 so far. Congrats

What would you do differently next year? What's your idea for turning the tournament into a success? Lay it all on the line.

Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

CUSA must make some money from the conference tourney so unless schools are willing to let CUSA run the games...that's not going to happen. Then it doesn't address schools that dont draw many fans. Just a few off the top of my head that draws 700 to 2000 most nights and that's announced attendance

Rice
UTSA
S.Miss
FIU
FAU

So that really doesn't fix the problem. It makes it better for basketball schools, if they are the higher seed. But if CUSA is controlling the event and set tickets at $25 to $35. That's going to lower attendance. Especially at those schools that only draw 2k, with most of those free tickets or lower priced.

That's the problem. You identified a constraint first. Drop the constraint if you want real change. If you can't drop the constraints then don't expect change. CUSA doesn't need to have bids made if the schools are hosting, so they don't need the money. Restructure the TV deal instead, have more money go to the front office and let schools make money for playing well.

And I bet even FIU could get a bigger crowd in their gym than what goes on in Frisco. There's a reason why you can't find attendance figures from last year anywhere.

And this isn't a crazy idea. Other conferences do it. Follow their model, no need to reinvent the wheel. No need for a damn curtain.

Something not being addressed in all of this.....

lady's tourney is held at the same time as the mens and needs a second arena or two courts in the same building. I assume its done this way because it saves money.

(02-26-2019 05:32 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:41 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:33 PM)odu09 Wrote:  This is probably the worst take of 2019 so far. Congrats

What would you do differently next year? What's your idea for turning the tournament into a success? Lay it all on the line.

Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

CUSA must make some money from the conference tourney so unless schools are willing to let CUSA run the games...that's not going to happen. Then it doesn't address schools that dont draw many fans. Just a few off the top of my head that draws 700 to 2000 most nights and that's announced attendance

Rice
UTSA
S.Miss
FIU
FAU

So that really doesn't fix the problem. It makes it better for basketball schools, if they are the higher seed. But if CUSA is controlling the event and set tickets at $25 to $35. That's going to lower attendance. Especially at those schools that only draw 2k, with most of those free tickets or lower priced.

That's the problem. You identified a constraint first. Drop the constraint if you want real change. If you can't drop the constraints then don't expect change. CUSA doesn't need to have bids made if the schools are hosting, so they don't need the money. Restructure the TV deal instead, have more money go to the front office and let schools make money for playing well.

And I bet even FIU could get a bigger crowd in their gym than what goes on in Frisco. There's a reason why you can't find attendance figures from last year anywhere.

And this isn't a crazy idea. Other conferences do it. Follow their model, no need to reinvent the wheel. No need for a damn curtain.

This is a Conference tourney, ran by the conference and will be that way if the higher seed host. If you think the conference is going to give up a million dollars or what ever the bid is....

its a crazy ideal.

That money from the CUSA tourney is used to run the conference. As far as attendance last year...it was divided between two courts playing at the same time.

I cant speak to the finals at UAB but I can up to then. Last years tourney had more fans in the stands than most games played at UAB. Games that UAB or Middle wasn't playing in.

That's a fact....at least by my eyes. Unless you were at Frisco, or UAB, you can make guess but that's all it will be. The championship games at UAB are probably different. Middle or UAB played in all 3...short drive for Middle and their Lady's team played there. Middle has more Lady fans than most CUSA mens teams

(02-26-2019 05:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:15 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  You made this same argument in football and I've shown you over and over...

no it doesn't matter.

FAN SUPPORT is the only thing that will fix low attendance...playing a tourney a couple hundred miles closer on average is not going to fix that.

If the western part of CUSA is not traveling to Frisco, they are not traveling to New Orleans. You repeating this bull**** over and over is not going to change it....

I've come to the collision they dont teach common sense at Rice...students dont enter school with it either. Logical thinking, either.

Support your freaking school and go to the conference tourney...is the way you fix low attendance. Not do something silly like you want and still not address the why.

COMMON SENSE

Don't you mean "conclusion?"

No I mean

COMMON SENSE

Maybe I'm wrong but you seem to believe if you repeat something over and over, for months and months it changes FACTS. Puts me in mind of MSM on something else.

The only regional games that draw more attendance....the visiting team has large fanbase and brings fans. For Rice that would be a Baylor, or Texas but not another CUSA or SBC school. Or maybe a local FCS school

Don't get mad Smartguy. Two regional tournaments consolidates the fan bases of 12-14 schools that are all within about 450 miles of one another. Right now, our one tournament mostly draws from the fan bases of about 4-5 schools. You may have the time and the financial means to make the long trip, but that's not the case for most fans. What about that is hard to understand? And I apologize for making you look foolish...again. It's really not intentional.

You are still talking about a 4 to 7 hour drive for most fans. If those fans are not going to make a 5 to 15 minute drive for home games. They are not going to a conference tourney that is still going to cost them....

$230 for the first night
Hotel $100
Food $40
Ticket $30 to $40
Gas 700 mile avg round trip $65

If their team wins
$40 food
$30-$40 ticket
$100 room

So another $170

Not to mention, taking 2 to 3 days off work

Being a few hours closer is not reducing any of the above nor is it bring higher attendance. If a team does not have good support....

where its played will not matter.

As for making me look foolish...again, just because you say something, doesn't make it true. I believe most people can see the foolishness in your ideas.

COMMON SENSE.....try it sometimes. Those that say they would make the 4 to 7 hour drive. Well most of them are fooling themselves because I've heard it before. Move the tourney to a short drive and I will be there.

Well about 85 to 90% of the Western fans that made it to B'ham, makes to most conference tourneys Western plays in. So what people say on a message board doesn't usually happen when it comes down to it. Nope, those same fans sit at home watching on TV.

It's the same fans that ***** about paying $10 to watch their team play a basketball game on TV or the Internet. Yet you seem to think hundreds or thousands of them are driving 3 to 7 hours and spending 3 or 4 hundred dollars just because the tourney is closer. Yeah, those same fans that ***** about paying $10 or driving down the street to the games.

Foolish? COMMON SENSE, and experience. BTW, I never got mad, I stuck to the facts or opinion about why your ideal was foolish. But you seem to be a little angry, all of a sudden.

Sowhat you're saying is that fans from Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, FAU, FIU, and Western Kentucky can get to Frisco for the same price as those from any West division member not named UTEP or UAB?

And what about all those fans who can only drive in for the Saturday or Sunday games, and have no intention of staying in a hotel because of financial constraints or work?

A western tournament in Frisco would reside almost exactly in the middle of the geographic radius of the 12-14 schools who are participating. Only UTEP, NMSU, and UAB would be outliers. Everyone else is a three hour car ride away.

Your interpretation of "common sense" needs a dose of reality Smartguy.

(02-26-2019 05:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 05:32 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:41 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  What would you do differently next year? What's your idea for turning the tournament into a success? Lay it all on the line.

Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

CUSA must make some money from the conference tourney so unless schools are willing to let CUSA run the games...that's not going to happen. Then it doesn't address schools that dont draw many fans. Just a few off the top of my head that draws 700 to 2000 most nights and that's announced attendance

Rice
UTSA
S.Miss
FIU
FAU

So that really doesn't fix the problem. It makes it better for basketball schools, if they are the higher seed. But if CUSA is controlling the event and set tickets at $25 to $35. That's going to lower attendance. Especially at those schools that only draw 2k, with most of those free tickets or lower priced.

That's the problem. You identified a constraint first. Drop the constraint if you want real change. If you can't drop the constraints then don't expect change. CUSA doesn't need to have bids made if the schools are hosting, so they don't need the money. Restructure the TV deal instead, have more money go to the front office and let schools make money for playing well.

And I bet even FIU could get a bigger crowd in their gym than what goes on in Frisco. There's a reason why you can't find attendance figures from last year anywhere.

And this isn't a crazy idea. Other conferences do it. Follow their model, no need to reinvent the wheel. No need for a damn curtain.

This is a Conference tourney, ran by the conference and will be that way if the higher seed host. If you think the conference is going to give up a million dollars or what ever the bid is....

its a crazy ideal.

That money from the CUSA tourney is used to run the conference. As far as attendance last year...it was divided between two courts playing at the same time.

I cant speak to the finals at UAB but I can up to then. Last years tourney had more fans in the stands than most games played at UAB. Games that UAB or Middle wasn't playing in.

That's a fact....at least by my eyes. Unless you were at Frisco, or UAB, you can make guess but that's all it will be. The championship games at UAB are probably different. Middle or UAB played in all 3...short drive for Middle and their Lady's team played there. Middle has more Lady fans than most CUSA mens teams

Do you really think the conference profits $1M for the tournament? I'd love to see the backing of that. If that's the case I'll shut up.

I still think giving a portion of the ticket sales for the home teams would make more money for the conference. Just need to shift around how the money is distributed.

(02-26-2019 04:41 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:33 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If a meaningless and poorly attended conference tournament is what we're after, by all means lets stick with what we're doing. I'm giving this setup in Frisco one more chance. If it doesn't work, it's time to think outside the box. Someone here please suggest some other options that we haven't touched on a million times before. At this point, if we aren't willing to try something drastic, we shouldn't hold a tournament at all. Just extend the season by two games.

This is probably the worst take of 2019 so far. Congrats

What would you do differently next year? What's your idea for turning the tournament into a success? Lay it all on the line.

Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

That's not a practical solution. It still alienates one of the divisions. How do you plan a conference tournament on such short notice, being that the highest seed isn't known until the end of the regular season. The logistics of that would be a nightmare. Just some questions here...

I'm not married to the CUSA-Sun Belt tournaments idea, even though it's a good one. How about adding two or three basketball-only schools to each division, and holding two regional tournaments? One in the west, and one in the east. The West could easily grab New Mexico State, and take Arkansas-Little Rock and UTA from the Sun Belt. Someone mentioned something like this in a previous post. If each division had 10 basketball schools, the NCAA may be willing to award two bids. Of course this can't happen without expansion.

(02-26-2019 07:35 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:41 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:33 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If a meaningless and poorly attended conference tournament is what we're after, by all means lets stick with what we're doing. I'm giving this setup in Frisco one more chance. If it doesn't work, it's time to think outside the box. Someone here please suggest some other options that we haven't touched on a million times before. At this point, if we aren't willing to try something drastic, we shouldn't hold a tournament at all. Just extend the season by two games.

This is probably the worst take of 2019 so far. Congrats

What would you do differently next year? What's your idea for turning the tournament into a success? Lay it all on the line.

Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

That's not a practical solution. It still alienates one of the divisions. How do you plan a conference tournament on such short notice, being that the highest seed isn't known until the end of the regular season. The logistics of that would be a nightmare. Just some questions here...

That’s literally exactly what we’re doing logistically with pod play.

(02-26-2019 07:35 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:41 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:33 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:39 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If a meaningless and poorly attended conference tournament is what we're after, by all means lets stick with what we're doing. I'm giving this setup in Frisco one more chance. If it doesn't work, it's time to think outside the box. Someone here please suggest some other options that we haven't touched on a million times before. At this point, if we aren't willing to try something drastic, we shouldn't hold a tournament at all. Just extend the season by two games.

This is probably the worst take of 2019 so far. Congrats

What would you do differently next year? What's your idea for turning the tournament into a success? Lay it all on the line.

Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

That's not a practical solution. It still alienates one of the divisions. How do you plan a conference tournament on such short notice, being that the highest seed isn't known until the end of the regular season. The logistics of that would be a nightmare. Just some questions here...

I said the higher seed hosts.

That means each matchup the highest seed is hosting. I'm not suggesting the #1 seed hosts the entire tournament. I'm suggesting the highest seed in the match plays at home. We wouldn't be the only conference that would do this. It's not rocket science.

(02-26-2019 06:18 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 05:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:15 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Don't you mean "conclusion?"

No I mean

COMMON SENSE

Maybe I'm wrong but you seem to believe if you repeat something over and over, for months and months it changes FACTS. Puts me in mind of MSM on something else.

The only regional games that draw more attendance....the visiting team has large fanbase and brings fans. For Rice that would be a Baylor, or Texas but not another CUSA or SBC school. Or maybe a local FCS school

Don't get mad Smartguy. Two regional tournaments consolidates the fan bases of 12-14 schools that are all within about 450 miles of one another. Right now, our one tournament mostly draws from the fan bases of about 4-5 schools. You may have the time and the financial means to make the long trip, but that's not the case for most fans. What about that is hard to understand? And I apologize for making you look foolish...again. It's really not intentional.

You are still talking about a 4 to 7 hour drive for most fans. If those fans are not going to make a 5 to 15 minute drive for home games. They are not going to a conference tourney that is still going to cost them....

$230 for the first night
Hotel $100
Food $40
Ticket $30 to $40
Gas 700 mile avg round trip $65

If their team wins
$40 food
$30-$40 ticket
$100 room

So another $170

Not to mention, taking 2 to 3 days off work

Being a few hours closer is not reducing any of the above nor is it bring higher attendance. If a team does not have good support....

where its played will not matter.

As for making me look foolish...again, just because you say something, doesn't make it true. I believe most people can see the foolishness in your ideas.

COMMON SENSE.....try it sometimes. Those that say they would make the 4 to 7 hour drive. Well most of them are fooling themselves because I've heard it before. Move the tourney to a short drive and I will be there.

Well about 85 to 90% of the Western fans that made it to B'ham, makes to most conference tourneys Western plays in. So what people say on a message board doesn't usually happen when it comes down to it. Nope, those same fans sit at home watching on TV.

It's the same fans that ***** about paying $10 to watch their team play a basketball game on TV or the Internet. Yet you seem to think hundreds or thousands of them are driving 3 to 7 hours and spending 3 or 4 hundred dollars just because the tourney is closer. Yeah, those same fans that ***** about paying $10 or driving down the street to the games.

Foolish? COMMON SENSE, and experience. BTW, I never got mad, I stuck to the facts or opinion about why your ideal was foolish. But you seem to be a little angry, all of a sudden.

Sowhat you're saying is that fans from Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, FAU, FIU, and Western Kentucky can get to Frisco for the same price as those from any West division member not named UTEP or UAB?

And what about all those fans who can only drive in for the Saturday or Sunday games, and have no intention of staying in a hotel because of financial constraints or work?

A western tournament in Frisco would reside almost exactly in the middle of the geographic radius of the 12-14 schools who are participating. Only UTEP, NMSU, and UAB would be outliers. Everyone else is a three hour car ride away.

Your interpretation of "common sense" needs a dose of reality Smartguy.

No what I'm saying, if those fans wont make a 10 to 15, to 20 minute drive across town. They are not driving 3 hours, they are not driving 4 hours and they sure as hell aren't driving 7 hours.

Your ideal to combine the SBC and CUSA conference tourney by region...is a dumb*** ideal. It's so damn stupid, on so many levels. I'm being honest when I say it take someone clueless to even thing two conference are putting their NCAA Bid and well over 1.5 million dollars on the line by your crazy ass ideal.

Then to think those same fans that are too cheap to buy a $10 ticket. Or not willing to drive across town to see their team play. Is now all of a sudden going to drive hours and spend 2 to 500 dollars to watch that team play 1 to 3-4 games.

It's so stupid of a ideal, as one ODU fan said...it beats anything ever posted on this board.

COMMON FREAKING SENSE....try using it sometimes. Or at least put yourself into it... say to self: if I wont spend $10 and 2 hours of my time and $2 worth of gas, to see my team play. Why would someone think I'm driving to New Orleans.

COMMON FREAKING SENSE

(02-26-2019 08:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 07:35 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:41 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 03:33 PM)odu09 Wrote:  This is probably the worst take of 2019 so far. Congrats

What would you do differently next year? What's your idea for turning the tournament into a success? Lay it all on the line.

Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

That's not a practical solution. It still alienates one of the divisions. How do you plan a conference tournament on such short notice, being that the highest seed isn't known until the end of the regular season. The logistics of that would be a nightmare. Just some questions here...

I said the higher seed hosts.

That means each matchup the highest seed is hosting. I'm not suggesting the #1 seed hosts the entire tournament. I'm suggesting the highest seed in the match plays at home. We wouldn't be the only conference that would do this. It's not rocket science.

So the entire tournament would be played in the home gym of the higher seed, whomever that may be. That's not a terrible idea, but it's not on a neutral court, and It would also take a little over a week to complete from start to finish. Still a logistical challenge, but not impossible. Most fans want one location for the tournament, but that doesn't mean your idea should be dismissed.

(02-26-2019 06:30 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 05:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 05:32 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:41 PM)odu09 Wrote:  Higher seed hosts. Done. Wow that was hard.

CUSA must make some money from the conference tourney so unless schools are willing to let CUSA run the games...that's not going to happen. Then it doesn't address schools that dont draw many fans. Just a few off the top of my head that draws 700 to 2000 most nights and that's announced attendance

Rice
UTSA
S.Miss
FIU
FAU

So that really doesn't fix the problem. It makes it better for basketball schools, if they are the higher seed. But if CUSA is controlling the event and set tickets at $25 to $35. That's going to lower attendance. Especially at those schools that only draw 2k, with most of those free tickets or lower priced.

That's the problem. You identified a constraint first. Drop the constraint if you want real change. If you can't drop the constraints then don't expect change. CUSA doesn't need to have bids made if the schools are hosting, so they don't need the money. Restructure the TV deal instead, have more money go to the front office and let schools make money for playing well.

And I bet even FIU could get a bigger crowd in their gym than what goes on in Frisco. There's a reason why you can't find attendance figures from last year anywhere.

And this isn't a crazy idea. Other conferences do it. Follow their model, no need to reinvent the wheel. No need for a damn curtain.

This is a Conference tourney, ran by the conference and will be that way if the higher seed host. If you think the conference is going to give up a million dollars or what ever the bid is....

its a crazy ideal.

That money from the CUSA tourney is used to run the conference. As far as attendance last year...it was divided between two courts playing at the same time.

I cant speak to the finals at UAB but I can up to then. Last years tourney had more fans in the stands than most games played at UAB. Games that UAB or Middle wasn't playing in.

That's a fact....at least by my eyes. Unless you were at Frisco, or UAB, you can make guess but that's all it will be. The championship games at UAB are probably different. Middle or UAB played in all 3...short drive for Middle and their Lady's team played there. Middle has more Lady fans than most CUSA mens teams

Do you really think the conference profits $1M for the tournament? I'd love to see the backing of that. If that's the case I'll shut up.

I still think giving a portion of the ticket sales for the home teams would make more money for the conference. Just need to shift around how the money is distributed.

I dont know what they profit and I agree with you, you have to give the host team a share, to cover cost. But that's it....it's a conference tourney so every game belongs to the conference and shouldn't be a money maker for the host team. Making money on higher seeded team hosting will depend on who the host team is.

There's a lot of ticket booklets sold that dont go to every game 4000x150 (booklets cost 125/180) is $600,000.

What about the womans tourney, and scheduling it and the mens and competing which one host if both are the higher seed? What about travel cost to three different games when you advance.....

So as far as bidding out the tourney vs high seed host....just a guess on my part but once you add all expense into it. I think the conference makes more by bidding it out.

The one thing I'm fairly sure of....someone in the conference did the math and everything else in whats better for the conference. Maybe I'm wrong and the whole conference is ran by idiots.

(02-26-2019 08:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 06:18 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 05:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 04:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  No I mean

COMMON SENSE

Maybe I'm wrong but you seem to believe if you repeat something over and over, for months and months it changes FACTS. Puts me in mind of MSM on something else.

The only regional games that draw more attendance....the visiting team has large fanbase and brings fans. For Rice that would be a Baylor, or Texas but not another CUSA or SBC school. Or maybe a local FCS school

Don't get mad Smartguy. Two regional tournaments consolidates the fan bases of 12-14 schools that are all within about 450 miles of one another. Right now, our one tournament mostly draws from the fan bases of about 4-5 schools. You may have the time and the financial means to make the long trip, but that's not the case for most fans. What about that is hard to understand? And I apologize for making you look foolish...again. It's really not intentional.

You are still talking about a 4 to 7 hour drive for most fans. If those fans are not going to make a 5 to 15 minute drive for home games. They are not going to a conference tourney that is still going to cost them....

$230 for the first night
Hotel $100
Food $40
Ticket $30 to $40
Gas 700 mile avg round trip $65

If their team wins
$40 food
$30-$40 ticket
$100 room

So another $170

Not to mention, taking 2 to 3 days off work

Being a few hours closer is not reducing any of the above nor is it bring higher attendance. If a team does not have good support....

where its played will not matter.

As for making me look foolish...again, just because you say something, doesn't make it true. I believe most people can see the foolishness in your ideas.

COMMON SENSE.....try it sometimes. Those that say they would make the 4 to 7 hour drive. Well most of them are fooling themselves because I've heard it before. Move the tourney to a short drive and I will be there.

Well about 85 to 90% of the Western fans that made it to B'ham, makes to most conference tourneys Western plays in. So what people say on a message board doesn't usually happen when it comes down to it. Nope, those same fans sit at home watching on TV.

It's the same fans that ***** about paying $10 to watch their team play a basketball game on TV or the Internet. Yet you seem to think hundreds or thousands of them are driving 3 to 7 hours and spending 3 or 4 hundred dollars just because the tourney is closer. Yeah, those same fans that ***** about paying $10 or driving down the street to the games.

Foolish? COMMON SENSE, and experience. BTW, I never got mad, I stuck to the facts or opinion about why your ideal was foolish. But you seem to be a little angry, all of a sudden.

Sowhat you're saying is that fans from Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, FAU, FIU, and Western Kentucky can get to Frisco for the same price as those from any West division member not named UTEP or UAB?

And what about all those fans who can only drive in for the Saturday or Sunday games, and have no intention of staying in a hotel because of financial constraints or work?

A western tournament in Frisco would reside almost exactly in the middle of the geographic radius of the 12-14 schools who are participating. Only UTEP, NMSU, and UAB would be outliers. Everyone else is a three hour car ride away.

Your interpretation of "common sense" needs a dose of reality Smartguy.

No what I'm saying, if those fans wont make a 10 to 15, to 20 minute drive across town. They are not driving 3 hours, they are not driving 4 hours and they sure as hell aren't driving 7 hours.

Your ideal to combine the SBC and CUSA conference tourney by region...is a dumb*** ideal. It's so damn stupid, on so many levels. I'm being honest when I say it take someone clueless to even thing two conference are putting their NCAA Bid and well over 1.5 million dollars on the line by your crazy ass ideal.

Then to think those same fans that are too cheap to buy a $10 ticket. Or not willing to drive across town to see their team play. Is now all of a sudden going to drive hours and spend 2 to 500 dollars to watch that team play 1 to 3-4 games.

It's so stupid of a ideal, as one ODU fan said...it beats anything ever posted on this board.

COMMON FREAKING SENSE....try using it sometimes. Or at least put yourself into it... say to self: if I wont spend $10 and 2 hours of my time and $2 worth of gas, to see my team play. Why would someone think I'm driving to New Orleans.

COMMON FREAKING SENSE

Okay. Settle down. Don't have a heart attack over all this. It's just a novel idea that I think would really work. Other conferences in this nation are forming alliances with one another, just not to the extent I that I propose. Saving our tournament is going to take some unconventional wisdom. You aren't the only one with an opinion around here. There's no reason to resort to indignation and disrespect when you disagree. It only makes you look bad in the end.

Well, we could do this:

Bottom two don’t make the tournament.
Each of the top 4 teams get a bye but host a pod and the school gets the profit split with CUSA
Final four goes to Frisco or wherever.

Example:

#5 WKU vs #12 MTSU @ #1 ODU
#1 ODU vs Winner @ ODU

#8 FIU vs #9 Marshall @ #4 UAB
#4 UAB vs Winner @ UAB

#7 LaTech vs #10 FAU @ #3 USM
#3 USM vs Winner @ USM

#6 UNT vs #11 Rice @ #2 UTSA
#2 UTSA vs Winner @ UTSA

@ Frisco

#1 vs #4
#2 vs #3

#1 vs #2

Six games. ONE COURT (assuming women follow suit)