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RE: Bible classes in public schools?
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(01-28-2019 11:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  As long as Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and the rest of the worlds great religions are given equal coverage then a historical review of the beliefs of each is pertinent.

Why on earth would we need equal coverage for an elective class?

If i take an elective class on Spanish language, are we going to give that class equal time to study Italian as well? Nope.. because the focus is on Spanish.

Why do we have to do this "If i have to learn about x, I better learn about y" as well? That's not how the world works...

Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

Make it an elective. The student chooses.

The more it is discussed here, the more obvious it becomes of how bad of an idea it is.
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RE: Bible classes in public schools?
(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 11:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  As long as Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and the rest of the worlds great religions are given equal coverage then a historical review of the beliefs of each is pertinent.

Why on earth would we need equal coverage for an elective class?

If i take an elective class on Spanish language, are we going to give that class equal time to study Italian as well? Nope.. because the focus is on Spanish.

Why do we have to do this "If i have to learn about x, I better learn about y" as well? That's not how the world works...

Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

That it does.

Goes beyond the implications of teaching the bible and potentially crossing over to morality.

I don't think most would want classroom discussions about.

The Crusades
Child Rape
Witch trials and burning of "witches"
The inquisitions
Etc.

If you're going to "teach" the good, one must teach the bad.
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RE: Bible classes in public schools?
(01-28-2019 01:49 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 11:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  As long as Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and the rest of the worlds great religions are given equal coverage then a historical review of the beliefs of each is pertinent.

Why on earth would we need equal coverage for an elective class?

If i take an elective class on Spanish language, are we going to give that class equal time to study Italian as well? Nope.. because the focus is on Spanish.

Why do we have to do this "If i have to learn about x, I better learn about y" as well? That's not how the world works...

Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

That it does.

Goes beyond the implications of teaching the bible and potentially crossing over to morality.

I don't think most would want classroom discussions about.

The Crusades
Child Rape
Witch trials and burning of "witches"
The inquisitions
Etc.

If you're going to "teach" the good, one must teach the bad.

As an aspiring Christain, I have no issue with any of those negative topics being discussed. You can't fix bad things by ignoring them.
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(01-28-2019 01:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The more it is discussed here, the more obvious it becomes of how bad of an idea it is.

This is exactly why conversation and discussion is needed.
Open conversation and debate on issues is what helps us discover the best way forward.

Do all of us a favor and convince your far leftist friends that dialog and discussion is a good thing. The far left shutting down any speech or conversation that includes anything they don't like needs to stop.

Trying to shut someone down, trying to destroy their lives, and making death threats against people to shut down debate and discussion has got to stop.
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(01-28-2019 01:49 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

That it does.

Goes beyond the implications of teaching the bible and potentially crossing over to morality.

I don't think most would want classroom discussions about.

The Crusades
Child Rape
Witch trials and burning of "witches"
The inquisitions
Etc.

If you're going to "teach" the good, one must teach the bad.

I'd take that deal. Christianity works better for people than the alternative, when they are exposed to the reality of it, warts and all.

It's when exposure to Christianity is limited to 'political' Christianity that we have more friction between Christians and atheists and less people actually receive the benefits of religion.
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(01-28-2019 01:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 11:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  As long as Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and the rest of the worlds great religions are given equal coverage then a historical review of the beliefs of each is pertinent.

Why on earth would we need equal coverage for an elective class?

If i take an elective class on Spanish language, are we going to give that class equal time to study Italian as well? Nope.. because the focus is on Spanish.

Why do we have to do this "If i have to learn about x, I better learn about y" as well? That's not how the world works...

Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

Make it an elective. The student chooses.

The more it is discussed here, the more obvious it becomes of how bad of an idea it is.

So you have a problem with the student choosing their elective curriculum?
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I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of the Megachurches, in particular, have become so enamored with attracting numbers that they have become a mile wide and an inch deep. I'm ready for the churches to start taking more responsibility and not leaving it up to the school system. If churches want their children taught a certain way about sex, then they need to teach it.

As far as gay teachers, I know a lot of them. I think the rule for gay teachers would be you don't discuss your sexuality in class. That's the same rule I'd have for straight teachers, by the way. I don't want teacher Bruce telling his class about his relationship with Stephen, nor to I want teacher Jane telling her class about her relationship with Dick. Nor do I want Bruce or Jane coming anywhere close to anything that might be suggestive of any kind of romantic relationship with any student.
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RE: Bible classes in public schools?
(01-28-2019 01:49 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 11:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  As long as Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and the rest of the worlds great religions are given equal coverage then a historical review of the beliefs of each is pertinent.

Why on earth would we need equal coverage for an elective class?

If i take an elective class on Spanish language, are we going to give that class equal time to study Italian as well? Nope.. because the focus is on Spanish.

Why do we have to do this "If i have to learn about x, I better learn about y" as well? That's not how the world works...

Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

That it does.

Goes beyond the implications of teaching the bible and potentially crossing over to morality.

I don't think most would want classroom discussions about.

The Crusades
Child Rape
Witch trials and burning of "witches"
The inquisitions
Etc.

If you're going to "teach" the good, one must teach the bad.

I had classes that discussed all of the above by 8th grade. Granted, the discussion on child rape was glossed over with something along the lines of "women and children were killed, raped, sold into slavery". In other words - age appropriate education and explanation.
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(01-28-2019 01:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of the Megachurches, in particular, have become so enamored with attracting numbers that they have become a mile wide and an inch deep. I'm ready for the churches to start taking more responsibility and not leaving it up to the school system. If churches want their children taught a certain way about sex, then they need to teach it.

Disagree. Megachurches are just reflecting the changing desires of the population. People want less Bible study and churches that are more production-oriented, megachurches have only gotten bigger because they fill that need.

The country is moving away from Christianity and megachurches are just the churches that have adapted. If they began teaching with the same depth of churches from decades ago, you would just see a lot less people going to church.
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RE: Bible classes in public schools?
(01-28-2019 01:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of the Megachurches, in particular, have become so enamored with attracting numbers that they have become a mile wide and an inch deep. I'm ready for the churches to start taking more responsibility and not leaving it up to the school system. If churches want their children taught a certain way about sex, then they need to teach it.

As far as gay teachers, I know a lot of them. I think the rule for gay teachers would be you don't discuss your sexuality in class. That's the same rule I'd have for straight teachers, by the way. I don't want teacher Bruce telling his class about his relationship with Stephen, nor to I want teacher Jane telling her class about her relationship with Dick. Nor do I want Bruce or Jane coming anywhere close to anything that might be suggestive of any kind of romantic relationship with any student.

That's because they're basically Christianity Lite.

People want to think they can have the "salvation" part without having to bother with those pesky "sacrifices" that accompany it.

No burdens, all the benefits so to speak.

And let's not kid ourselves.....

Mega churches are HUGE MONEY makers. Selling the word of God is a lucrative business.
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(01-28-2019 01:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Why on earth would we need equal coverage for an elective class?

If i take an elective class on Spanish language, are we going to give that class equal time to study Italian as well? Nope.. because the focus is on Spanish.

Why do we have to do this "If i have to learn about x, I better learn about y" as well? That's not how the world works...

Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

Make it an elective. The student chooses.

The more it is discussed here, the more obvious it becomes of how bad of an idea it is.

So you have a problem with the student choosing their elective curriculum?

I have a problem with people advocating one religion over another in a public school.

I have no problem taking a look at all of the major religions and looking at similarities, differences, historical significance, etc... but it does not appear the people advocating Bible 101 are comfortable with the schools also teaching the Koran 101... or a historical review of the Hindu Vedas.

Because of this, it appears this is yet another back door attempt by some Christians to weave their message into the curriculum of the public schools. If you believe its important then send your child to a private school.
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(01-28-2019 01:54 PM)q5sys Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The more it is discussed here, the more obvious it becomes of how bad of an idea it is.

This is exactly why conversation and discussion is needed.
Open conversation and debate on issues is what helps us discover the best way forward.

Do all of us a favor and convince your far leftist friends that dialog and discussion is a good thing. The far left shutting down any speech or conversation that includes anything they don't like needs to stop.

Trying to shut someone down, trying to destroy their lives, and making death threats against people to shut down debate and discussion has got to stop.

Having a discussion is fine, I just don't think the public schools is the proper place for it, and I'm far from a leftist.

The problem I have with the discussion of religion in public schools is this.

Unless you're going to limit it to historical facts, you are in danger of crossing over into morals, morality, right & wrong, etc.

My tolerance may be greater on some things, less on others. The one thing I refuse to stand for is someone else lecturing me and judging me by THEIR idea of what morals are. I don't take it from the left, I don't take it from the right, and I refuse to take it from a guy living in Italy who can't even straighten out his OWN organization.

Sorry, I just feel that those are personal beliefs that are best debated and discussed with family, friends, and loved ones.
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(01-28-2019 02:18 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  That's because they're basically Christianity Lite.

People want to think they can have the "salvation" part without having to bother with those pesky "sacrifices" that accompany it.

No burdens, all the benefits so to speak.

And let's not kid ourselves.....

Mega churches are HUGE MONEY makers. Selling the word of God is a lucrative business.

If y'all are talking about Osteen, I agree. But a megachurch is any church with weekend attendance over 2k. There are a lot of them. I've known quite a few people making A LOT more money in small churches than in megachurches.

If you're just talking about celebrity pastor churches, though, I would agree.
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(01-28-2019 01:54 PM)q5sys Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The more it is discussed here, the more obvious it becomes of how bad of an idea it is.

This is exactly why conversation and discussion is needed.
Open conversation and debate on issues is what helps us discover the best way forward.

Do all of us a favor and convince your far leftist friends that dialog and discussion is a good thing. The far left shutting down any speech or conversation that includes anything they don't like needs to stop.

Trying to shut someone down, trying to destroy their lives, and making death threats against people to shut down debate and discussion has got to stop.

What I see being shut down is class that covers the history of all of the world's great religions and the demand this be a bible only class; and even then, I'm sure the Catholics would like their interpretation and the the Evangelicals would prefer their's. It's simply a bad idea.
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(01-28-2019 01:49 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 11:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  As long as Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and the rest of the worlds great religions are given equal coverage then a historical review of the beliefs of each is pertinent.

Why on earth would we need equal coverage for an elective class?

If i take an elective class on Spanish language, are we going to give that class equal time to study Italian as well? Nope.. because the focus is on Spanish.

Why do we have to do this "If i have to learn about x, I better learn about y" as well? That's not how the world works...

Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

That it does.

Goes beyond the implications of teaching the bible and potentially crossing over to morality.

I don't think most would want classroom discussions about.

The Crusades
Child Rape
Witch trials and burning of "witches"
The inquisitions
Etc.


If you're going to "teach" the good, one must teach the bad.

That isn't academic Biblical literacy or history.
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(01-28-2019 11:52 AM)q5sys Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 10:04 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  The historical aspects are pretty neat. I like watching those docs that examine the historical evidence relative to both the Old and New Testament. I think most of them are on the History Channel. There are some youtube channels that have good info also.

I mostly agree with Badger about the pitfalls.
But... that being said if this is simply a historical breakdown of the bible, I'm opposed to it as that would avoid all doctrinal debates.
However at that point I'd question the purpose. To really get anything out of any religious text you have to dive into its meaning, and that's not the sort of thing I think any High school level teacher is going to be doing. It's too much of a minefield.

I think its probably a good idea to save any philosophical analysis of religion until university where it's the students choice and the student is paying for it.
Also, religion at its best is addressing core fundamental concepts of the human condition. i'm not claiming that high school students couldn't get something out of it, but I think they would get more out of it waiting a few years and allowing their brain to continue to develop a bit more.
There's a massive difference in the capacity of abstract thought and reasoning between a 15yo and an 19yo.

To do an effective study of the Bible one would need to be able to read Greek, read Hebrew, study other ancient near Eastern languages as many of them have impacted the language usage of their neighbors, much in the same way Americans don't speak French but use deja vu and coupe d'etat. Then there are the cultural aspects which affect interpretation and much of U.S. Theology is detached from it.

If the emphasis of the course is the teaching of the stories, much like the old children's versions were, then the baseline morality is covered, but left to the interpretation of the teacher which speaks to some of your concerns.

There aren't many Ancient texts to research (Masoretic Text, Leningrad Codex, Vulgate) and those we have are hardly original and have been redacted and recopied many times. The Dead Sea scrolls are as close to an ancient original document that you will find and they are mostly fragments of texts. Modern translations, and worse paraphrase versions, are now grossly influenced by denominational bias and political perspectives. I still use the 1948 RSV because it took into account some of those archaeological finds, and got fresher somewhat less monarchically influenced translations than the KJV. And in 1948 there wasn't nearly as much political influence, or denominational influence, as most of the modern translations.

If the Bible stories are taught to illustrate the literature, highlight the moral thinking that underpins much of our law, and is tied into culture that may be the best approach.

But as literature the Jewish and African American community would strongly identify with Exodus, the 10 Commandments underpin much of Western law, Christ's condensation of those 10 into "Love God with your whole heart and your neighbor as yourself." makes it contemporary for the child. And Christ's emphasis on anything done unto the least of these (widows, orphans, sick, sojourner within your gates, and prisoner) is done unto me, all emphasize the grace and compassion that underpin social action and community service. So that approach may bring he least public condemnation.

Matters of sacraments and coming of age, are best left to the home and local church, or synagogue, or faith group. And the greater than PG13 aspects are best left to those groups as well.

Most faith groups offer better in depth study of the Tanakh, Torah, Old Testament and New Testament than the average public educator will be able to undertake without ending in confusion.

Then for those who want a deeper level of study Lexicons and volumes of independent studies and commentaries mostly done by PHD's in theological studies are available at seminary libraries, and many public ones.
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(01-28-2019 02:33 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:54 PM)q5sys Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The more it is discussed here, the more obvious it becomes of how bad of an idea it is.

This is exactly why conversation and discussion is needed.
Open conversation and debate on issues is what helps us discover the best way forward.

Do all of us a favor and convince your far leftist friends that dialog and discussion is a good thing. The far left shutting down any speech or conversation that includes anything they don't like needs to stop.

Trying to shut someone down, trying to destroy their lives, and making death threats against people to shut down debate and discussion has got to stop.

What I see being shut down is class that covers the history of all of the world's great religions and the demand this be a bible only class; and even then, I'm sure the Catholics would like their interpretation and the the Evangelicals would prefer their's. It's simply a bad idea.

That's what I see as the biggest problem, going beyond the fact that it would be advocating for the teachings of Christianity, the interpretation of the Bible is different between the major Christian sects. You'd probably need to offer electives in the bible teachings according to Catholics, Baptists, Evangelicals, etc. along with the other major religions.
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(01-28-2019 02:21 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
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(01-28-2019 01:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
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(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

Make it an elective. The student chooses.

The more it is discussed here, the more obvious it becomes of how bad of an idea it is.

So you have a problem with the student choosing their elective curriculum?

I have a problem with people advocating one religion over another in a public school.

I have no problem taking a look at all of the major religions and looking at similarities, differences, historical significance, etc... but it does not appear the people advocating Bible 101 are comfortable with the schools also teaching the Koran 101... or a historical review of the Hindu Vedas.

Because of this, it appears this is yet another back door attempt by some Christians to weave their message into the curriculum of the public schools. If you believe its important then send your child to a private school.

I think that's exactly what a couple of people here, myself included, have suggested.
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(01-28-2019 10:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 09:29 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Great idea.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/educ...614567002/

A wave of “Bible literacy” bills emerging in state legislatures would allow more students in public high schools to study the Old and New Testaments.

Proposals from lawmakers in at least six states would require or encourage public schools to offer elective classes on the Bible’s literary and historical significance. That’s a more narrow focus than what’s typically covered in courses on world religions.

Done right, the bills are legal
This year, Bible literacy bills have been introduced in Florida, Indiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.

At least three Bible literacy bills were considered in 2018 – in Alabama, Iowa and West Virginia – but none passed, according to the ACLU. Tennessee passed a related but slightly different bill.

The year before, Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed into law a Bible studies bill. It created guidelines for public high schools to offer electives on the literature of the Bible and Hebrew Scriptures.

Hard pass.

First thing would be having to hire people who are competent in bible classes. I'd want a resume with a bit more than "going to church".. Second, the bible is associated with the Jewish faith and Christianity. The various Christian denominations have different teachings and dogmas based on the same writings. Navigating those could open the district up to "issues". Third, if you're going to allow bible classes as part of the curriculum, you'll have to then make room for Koran, the Tripitaka, the Vedas, or any other holy teachings that the community might deem as needed. Can't discriminate. Which leads you back to the first point, hiring people competent to teach those books.

How about this. If you want your children to learn about the bible or ANY other holy book, contact your local church or prayer facility and sign them up for classes.

This isn't something that should be part of the public school curriculum.

And speaking of things that don't belong in the public school curriculum, let's eliminate all the courses that pride themselves on being PC or woke , indoctrinating about "social justice", global/climate/warming/change, etc. etc.


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RE: Bible classes in public schools?
(01-28-2019 01:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:49 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 12:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 11:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  As long as Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and the rest of the worlds great religions are given equal coverage then a historical review of the beliefs of each is pertinent.

Why on earth would we need equal coverage for an elective class?

If i take an elective class on Spanish language, are we going to give that class equal time to study Italian as well? Nope.. because the focus is on Spanish.

Why do we have to do this "If i have to learn about x, I better learn about y" as well? That's not how the world works...

Because the class can't advocate one religion over another... such is the nature of separating church and state.

if there were also individual studies in islam, judaism, etc... then maybe; but it really just opens up a pandora's box of issues. its best to leave the bible study to the churches and the 3 R's to the schools.... problem is, that's too much to ask for some christians who want to use the schools to evangelize.

That it does.

Goes beyond the implications of teaching the bible and potentially crossing over to morality.

I don't think most would want classroom discussions about.

The Crusades
Child Rape
Witch trials and burning of "witches"
The inquisitions
Etc.

If you're going to "teach" the good, one must teach the bad.

As an aspiring Christain, I have no issue with any of those negative topics being discussed. You can't fix bad things by ignoring them.

They do cover the crusades, witch trials and the inquisition
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