(01-23-2019 02:39 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 02:34 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Watching this unfold on TV Venezuela. Thousands in the streets protesting and the Guaido has declared himself President. Things are going to get interesting......

yes they are....

china will be part of this equation at some point....

Remember your Nathan Bedford Forrest, "The one that gets there fustest with the mostest generally wins."

We should offer our assistance, as soon as possible.

(01-23-2019 04:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Interesting that Brazil is breaking ranks with fellow BRICS member Russia on this issue. I guess the time for gamesmanship is over when the problem is literally at your doorstep.

Well that and the new top guy in Brazil is a rightie. The question is how far right? Some say Juan Peron right. Some say not. The jury is out. Look him up. Google calls him a racist, sexist, homophobe. I'd say that's quite an endorsement from the tech giant! (Jair Bolsonaro)

My question is why the hell should we not build a wall with Mexico siding with the Russians and Chicoms! Piss on that!

(01-23-2019 05:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 04:28 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Expressed support or recognition of Maduro as president of Venezuela:

- Bolivia
- Cuba
- Mexico
- Russia
- Turkey

Recognising Juan Guaido as Venezuela's president:

- US
- Canada
- Brazil
- Paraguay
- Colombia
- Argentina
- Peru
- Ecuador
- Costa Rica
- Chile
- Guatemala

The dictators (plus Mexico who is very against "interference" and tends to do the opposite of the US on any of these issues) are behind Maduro. The Democracies in the continent for the Congress. Its notable that even Ecuador and Peru have come out against Maduro.

There are more commie insurgents in Guadalajara than you can stir with Napalm. Mexico isn't just disagreeing to disagree. Between a growing communist movement that Cuba has been funding for years and the drug lords there's reason enough to build the damned wall!

(01-23-2019 09:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 02:39 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 02:34 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Watching this unfold on TV Venezuela. Thousands in the streets protesting and the Guaido has declared himself President. Things are going to get interesting......

yes they are....

china will be part of this equation at some point....

Remember your Nathan Bedford Forrest, "The one that gets there fustest with the mostest generally wins."

We should offer our assistance, as soon as possible.

the irony being born in StL, then being shuffled to little house on the prairie in Forrest county....

you actually have an idea how that struck home, homey..... ;()

it's funny how history repeats, eh!?!

El Gran Gato aka "The Big Cat" weeps for what the leftists have done to his once-prosperous country.


Andrés Galarraga

Brazil also signed on with US and Canada, Maduro managed to make Hugo Chavez look good.


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I’m surprised that the Turkish and Russian recognition has not drawn an extremely strong rebuke from us.

That’s not really being reported but that’s a seriously profound shift in our approach.

(01-24-2019 12:55 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I’m surprised that the Turkish and Russian recognition has not drawn an extremely strong rebuke from us.

That’s not really being reported but that’s a seriously profound shift in our approach.

Turkey has been leaning that way for a little while. I don't think their endorsement for status quo in Venezuela is going to surprise many at the Pentagon. But I do think it's going to be a shock to the public. The same thing happened when the Shaw was about to be deposed in Iran. We knew what was coming down, just weren't sure exactly when or how. But when the Shaw's people started applying for asylum the gig was up. The public was the last to know there as well. It's one of those prepare for the worst and hope it doesn't happen situations.

Russia has wanted a warm water port forever. Turkey is ideal. The trick now will be how much the Turks want from us and how much largess they will allow Russia to have before they can't milk us for anything. Russia isn't in yet, and we aren't completely out. We'll see.

Not surprisingly, the Eurocrats and the pope have not weighed in.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/j...-president

An example of lies by omission. You have to really read closely to understand all the countries they mention supporting Maduro are the exception. You would think the US was alone.

Stopped watch is right twice a day.

It is very helpful that it wasn't just Trump and Bolsonaro, but also Canada, Panama, Chile, and the OAS.

(01-24-2019 12:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stopped watch is right twice a day.

It is very helpful that it wasn't just Trump and Bolsonaro, but also Canada, Panama, Chile, and the OAS.

TDS.

(01-24-2019 01:42 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 12:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stopped watch is right twice a day.

It is very helpful that it wasn't just Trump and Bolsonaro, but also Canada, Panama, Chile, and the OAS.

TDS.

Yeah, I noticed that. Can't even give the man credit without insulting him. Asinine.

(01-24-2019 03:39 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 01:42 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 12:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stopped watch is right twice a day.

It is very helpful that it wasn't just Trump and Bolsonaro, but also Canada, Panama, Chile, and the OAS.

TDS.

Yeah, I noticed that. Can't even give the man credit without insulting him. Asinine.

it's Tom....'nuff said....

(01-24-2019 03:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 03:39 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 01:42 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 12:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stopped watch is right twice a day.

It is very helpful that it wasn't just Trump and Bolsonaro, but also Canada, Panama, Chile, and the OAS.

TDS.

Yeah, I noticed that. Can't even give the man credit without insulting him. Asinine.

it's Tom....'nuff said....

It's why Trump got elected in the first place. They'll never learn.

By the way, AMLO said that Mexico is recognizing Maduro "for now". That's hardly a ringing endorsement of Maduro.

(01-24-2019 01:51 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 12:55 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I’m surprised that the Turkish and Russian recognition has not drawn an extremely strong rebuke from us.

That’s not really being reported but that’s a seriously profound shift in our approach.

Turkey has been leaning that way for a little while. I don't think their endorsement for status quo in Venezuela is going to surprise many at the Pentagon. But I do think it's going to be a shock to the public. The same thing happened when the Shaw was about to be deposed in Iran. We knew what was coming down, just weren't sure exactly when or how. But when the Shaw's people started applying for asylum the gig was up. The public was the last to know there as well. It's one of those prepare for the worst and hope it doesn't happen situations.

Russia has wanted a warm water port forever. Turkey is ideal. The trick now will be how much the Turks want from us and how much largess they will allow Russia to have before they can't milk us for anything. Russia isn't in yet, and we aren't completely out. We'll see.

Erdogan knows the EU membership is a pipe dream at this point and is instead seeking membership in an expanded BRICS. Doing anything that makes Russia mad will scuttle that quicker than anything, and supporting Maduro is a low risk affair for them. Not to mention Turkey has been expanding their trade with Venezuela and Maduro recently invited Turkish industries to begin mining for gold and diamonds in the Arco del Orinoco. The Turks not only stand to be isolated from another trade group but to lose out on significant wealth if they do not back the status quo in Venezuela.

(01-24-2019 11:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 01:51 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 12:55 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I’m surprised that the Turkish and Russian recognition has not drawn an extremely strong rebuke from us.

That’s not really being reported but that’s a seriously profound shift in our approach.

Turkey has been leaning that way for a little while. I don't think their endorsement for status quo in Venezuela is going to surprise many at the Pentagon. But I do think it's going to be a shock to the public. The same thing happened when the Shaw was about to be deposed in Iran. We knew what was coming down, just weren't sure exactly when or how. But when the Shaw's people started applying for asylum the gig was up. The public was the last to know there as well. It's one of those prepare for the worst and hope it doesn't happen situations.

Russia has wanted a warm water port forever. Turkey is ideal. The trick now will be how much the Turks want from us and how much largess they will allow Russia to have before they can't milk us for anything. Russia isn't in yet, and we aren't completely out. We'll see.

Erdogan knows the EU membership is a pipe dream at this point and is instead seeking membership in an expanded BRICS. Doing anything that makes Russia mad will scuttle that quicker than anything, and supporting Maduro is a low risk affair for them. Not to mention Turkey has been expanding their trade with Venezuela and Maduro recently invited Turkish industries to begin mining for gold and diamonds in the Arco del Orinoco. The Turks not only stand to be isolated from another trade group but to lose out on significant wealth if they do not back the status quo in Venezuela.

Yeah, there are no easy answers here for U.S. Policy. We can't just cut them loose to be a Putin ally, and they can't really afford to cast their lot solely with the BRICS. And right now I wouldn't say Venezuela was a hot business prospect. It's more they just don't want to alienate Russia. I can't see the Turks working well with China, or China with them. But I can understand why they might think their bread is better buttered by Putin.

So when do we move on Cuba?