I can understand why our Presidents statements have drawn criticism and I also understand why some are skeptical about how much money we're going to be paying Dana but I think some of yall are going overboard. And I'm surprised I'm seeing any criticism from the Memphis posters. Yall drew heavy criticism for firing Tubs after only 2 years. A lot of people outside of your program felt like he wasn't given a fair shake, but we all know the Memphis fan base wasn't happy with him. You can only sit on an unpopular hire for so long before it starts hurting your bottom line. The Penny hire has rejuvenated the Memphis faithful and I believe the Dana hire will do the same for Houston. This conference needs Memphis hoops and Houston football to get back on track in order to elevate itself. This was a good move for us and by extension, the conference.

And don't let the talking heads convince you otherwise, their anti-AAC agenda is well documented at this point.

(01-05-2019 03:25 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I can understand why our Presidents statements have drawn criticism and I also understand why some are skeptical about how much money we're going to be paying Dana but I think some of yall are going overboard. And I'm surprised I'm seeing any criticism from the Memphis posters. Yall drew heavy criticism for firing Tubs after only 2 years. A lot of people outside of your program felt like he wasn't given a fair shake, but we all know the Memphis fan base wasn't happy with him. You can only sit on an unpopular hire for so long before it starts hurting your bottom line. The Penny hire has rejuvenated the Memphis faithful and I believe the Dana hire will do the same for Houston. This conference needs Memphis hoops and Houston football to get back on track in order to elevate itself. This was a good move for us and by extension, the conference.

And don't let the talking heads convince you otherwise, their anti-AAC agenda is well documented at this point.

Really that's the issue with most folks - most Memphis folks, since you single them out. I & others say wow, UH is stepping up, but it's just that the public statements by your president "we fire coach's going 8-4" is poor form. Has nothing to do with the lame comments from P-5 media whores, they are just pissed UH doesn't know its place as they see it. Universities fire coaches routinely for lots of reasons fair & unfair but the president getting in the mud with such statements just seems like poor form, let the AD handle the negative commentary. But again, good for UH, you've stepped. Time will tell us if it was a good investment.

FWIW, I am very pleased Houston stirred the P5 nest and made a statement hire. For the benefit of AAC members, I hope it works out better than the last time an AAC school (Memphis) outbidded a P5 school (Tx Tech) for a coach (Tubby).

However, IMO your President made a reinforced moronic pledge (proof that smart people can say dumb things) that does nothing but heap ridicule for setting unrealistic standards and needlessly motivating AAC opponents.

(01-05-2019 09:51 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  FWIW, I am very pleased Houston stirred the P5 nest and made a statement hire. For the benefit of AAC members, I hope it works out better than the last time an AAC school (Memphis) outbidded a P5 school (Tx Tech) for a coach (Tubby).

However, IMO your President made a reinforced moronic pledge (proof that smart people can say dumb things) that does nothing but heap ridicule for setting unrealistic standards and needlessly motivating AAC opponents.

Tech fans thanked Tubby for making us semi respectable and we are glad he chose to go to Memphis.

I think Tubby's replacement ( Chris Beard) has done a better job as evidenced by our rankings last season and this season.

(01-04-2019 11:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 11:28 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 11:27 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 05:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Shame on us for taking the exact words a person says to be what she meant. Especially when she doesn't refute it 2 years later, when asked specifically if she would like to recant it.

Nobody will care when next season kicks off. Just win, baby.

I don't care now. I just think it's funny, and bad practice.

lol...well, your entitled to your opinion....even if its totally wrong.

I'm still looking for many non-Houston fans who think it was a good idea, lol.

(01-05-2019 03:25 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I can understand why our Presidents statements have drawn criticism and I also understand why some are skeptical about how much money we're going to be paying Dana but I think some of yall are going overboard. And I'm surprised I'm seeing any criticism from the Memphis posters. Yall drew heavy criticism for firing Tubs after only 2 years. A lot of people outside of your program felt like he wasn't given a fair shake, but we all know the Memphis fan base wasn't happy with him. You can only sit on an unpopular hire for so long before it starts hurting your bottom line. The Penny hire has rejuvenated the Memphis faithful and I believe the Dana hire will do the same for Houston. This conference needs Memphis hoops and Houston football to get back on track in order to elevate itself. This was a good move for us and by extension, the conference.

And don't let the talking heads convince you otherwise, their anti-AAC agenda is well documented at this point.

Firing a coach after 2 years who is killing you financially is a lot different subject than having your president say we fire coaches at 8-4. IMO, that is arrogant and insulting to other coaches in the league.and schools in the league, and a dumb thing to say publicly, even if she means it.

Beyond that, on the scale of importance in life, I give it less than a 1, lol. I simply comment on things here that are interesting or where I have a different opinion.

(01-05-2019 10:36 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 09:51 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  FWIW, I am very pleased Houston stirred the P5 nest and made a statement hire. For the benefit of AAC members, I hope it works out better than the last time an AAC school (Memphis) outbidded a P5 school (Tx Tech) for a coach (Tubby).

However, IMO your President made a reinforced moronic pledge (proof that smart people can say dumb things) that does nothing but heap ridicule for setting unrealistic standards and needlessly motivating AAC opponents.

Tech fans thanked Tubby for making us semi respectable and we are glad he chose to go to Memphis.

I think Tubby's replacement ( Chris Beard) has done a better job as evidenced by our rankings last season and this season.

At the time, Texas Tech wanted to keep Tubby but they were out bidded. Ironically, both programs benefited in the long run.

(01-05-2019 12:20 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 11:40 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 11:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 11:25 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  We know 8-4 will get a coach fired at Houston per Khator. For discussion purposes, let’s pretend she excluded the first year from the standard. When does the clock start?

Honestly---I think it starts from day one---but progress counts. Programs building and getting clearly better makes a difference. For instance---next year will be tough with a tough OOC and tough draw in the East. Had Major gone 8-5 next year---avoided embarrassing losses and perhaps even won the West---nobody would fire him. It would indicate the program was making progress towards attaining that 10-2 standard.

Frankly, I think Major would have been back this year had his troops not looked embarrassingly ill prepared and darned near disinterested against Army. im convinced that was the straw that broke the camels back---convincing everyone there was no reason to spend another year trying to patch Majors sinking ship. Basically, nobody saw any reason to believe we were progressing toward our goals.

It reads like you disagree with your President’s statement. IMO, she would have been better served by adopting the “progression” theme you espoused.

Exactly, it shows that Attackcoog is actually thinking through the process and not just blindly following some arrogantly conceived comment on the spur of the moment.

Heck, in the CUSA/SWC days Houston would have fired a football coach 15 straight years following that rule.....and fate could reverse itself and it could happen again. Who would have ever thought that Memphis could hire a former national championship basketball coach and fire him 2 years later?

Everything changes, so administrators should be careful with any absolutes they put in place; because common sense says 8 wins won't always get a coach fired.

The sentence in bold is part of what is so dumb about that statement, lol.

(01-05-2019 10:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 03:25 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I can understand why our Presidents statements have drawn criticism and I also understand why some are skeptical about how much money we're going to be paying Dana but I think some of yall are going overboard. And I'm surprised I'm seeing any criticism from the Memphis posters. Yall drew heavy criticism for firing Tubs after only 2 years. A lot of people outside of your program felt like he wasn't given a fair shake, but we all know the Memphis fan base wasn't happy with him. You can only sit on an unpopular hire for so long before it starts hurting your bottom line. The Penny hire has rejuvenated the Memphis faithful and I believe the Dana hire will do the same for Houston. This conference needs Memphis hoops and Houston football to get back on track in order to elevate itself. This was a good move for us and by extension, the conference.

And don't let the talking heads convince you otherwise, their anti-AAC agenda is well documented at this point.

Firing a coach after 2 years who is killing you financially is a lot different subject than having your president say we fire coaches at 8-4. IMO, that is arrogant and insulting to other coaches in the league.and schools in the league, and a dumb thing to say publicly, even if she means it.

Beyond that, on the scale of importance in life, I give it less than a 1, lol. I simply comment on things here that are interesting or where I have a different opinion.

Yep

1. Tubby was costing Memphis somewhere close to $3million per year in lost ticket and FedexForum revenue alone.

2. Tubby doesnt work hard. He went on vacation immediately after being hired, despite the fact he had no recruits and time was ticking away.

3. Tubby insisted on keeping his no-talent hack of a son as an assistant instead of hiring an actual recruiting assistant. (Since Tubby was dreadful at recruiting, he needed to clean out all of his assistants and hire a bunch of recruiting assistants.)

4. Tubby said it wasnt his responsibility to keep fans in the stands

5. Tubby told the fanbase to lower their expectations

Number 1 is ultimately what got Tubby fired more quickly.

That is completely different from the Applewhite situation. I do hope Houston can do wonders with Dana, but the two scenarios are not even remotely similar.

I'm all for Houston being successful with Holgerson. The more good teams in the conference, the better for all of us.

(01-04-2019 11:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Economically, your not firing anyone in year one. So, at the very least any coach would get 2 years to breach 10 wins. My guess is that if the team is progressing and recruiting looks good (and season ticket sales arent falling off a cliff), he gets another year. But thats just my guess. I think another factor few have mentioned was season ticket sales. Tilman mentioned this at the press conference. They had fallen off significantly under Major and after the Army debacle, any team with Major at the helm was going to be a tough sale. I think you guys had the same situation with Tubby. Tubby was at least progressing towards improvement--but fan base had lost patience and season tickets had slumped badly. Penny revived fan interest that would never have been there under Tubby.

ESPN article mentioned how the loss of 7,000 season Tix over the last 2 years, cost the Athletic Dept $3 Million while the increase in HC Salary is just $2.25 Million.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/...atform=amp

Get the dollars back and record may not matter.

PS. No doubt UH's Billionaire Alum is having a blast basically ru ninf the Uni ersity.

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks or says... If Houston was an independent or in one of the so called p5 conferences Houston would be taking the exact same approach... I am pleased and I don't fault Houston for expressing what type of results it wants.

UT & a&m for example have the same blueprint, difference between them and us they started their massive spending far long ago while along the way creating a solid fan base who today heavily support that mind set.

Go Coogs

“We got to have an excellent athletics program, because that what is an asset to the University. A mediocre program is not an asset, it is a liability,” said Khator.