(12-25-2018 12:41 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'd be presently surprised with $8 million per year. GOR is off so not sure why that keeps coming up.

I original guess was between $6- and $8-million, so that would be on the high end. Not sure why I feel disappointed by that number now, lol. I wonder what the author's qualifications are to make a prediction or if he's just throwing a number out there.

(12-25-2018 08:20 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The stuff about a grant of rights adding monetary value to a media contract is all BS as far as I can tell. It looks more like the commissioner and the lesser schools in this conference trying to bind the more valuable schools and prevent them leaving in 2025. Very transparent

Your not wrong it is transparent. That is exactly what they are trying to do because it will get us the greater deal.

where you and those that feel the same way about the GOR are wrong is that yall are short-sighted and don't see the big picture.

This is history repeating itself like the big east except the big 12 is next up in line.
the big 10 and SEC can swallow up the big 12 at the next alignment and leave whatever is left to the birds or fending for themselves in the new contract ( hello big east)

look at it from espns stand point. they would rather pay a school an extra 10+ million than another 25+ it would take for the big 12 to match the new contract offers of the big 10 or sec.

by saving another 10+ million and getting rid of under performing schools espn will save boat loads of money in the processes. they could care less about what conference the team plays in.

those not signing a gor are only looking at the current landscape and will be pinning their hopes on everything remaining the same. if your looking into going into the big 12 your pretty much looking at joining a worst conference when its said and done.
the contract will more then likely be less than what we could currently get.

history is the greatest teacher.

(12-25-2018 08:20 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The stuff about a grant of rights adding monetary value to a media contract is all BS as far as I can tell. It looks more like the commissioner and the lesser schools in this conference trying to bind the more valuable schools and prevent them leaving in 2025. Very transparent

Haha, Memphis ain’t going anywhere

Merry Christmas

There are no ultra valuable schools. Nobody brings in great ratings unless it’s a big game. UCF has good ratings right now, but they will normalize when UCF does. UCONN basketball is pretty valuable, that’s it.

And nobody is expanding. That boat has long sailed.

(12-25-2018 01:14 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 12:56 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 12:47 AM)Agust Wrote:  The upper teams that do not want to sign the GOR are blinded by greed and will be doing it to their own peril. ESPN will not be paying up to 15 mil more for a school that it already owns rights too.

This leaves out any chance of a big 12 invite no matter how awesome or deserving your team is. This leaves the only expansion canidates being BYU, San Diego, or Boise. And neither are worth more than anything AAC will be getting.

So espn will have them sign with the AAC rather than the big 12. You can look at it as AAC being the discount bin for espn for adding more teams.

So a school not signing a GOR due to some issue or it's fan base is just stupid.

Well said

I have for a long while not + rep points for anyone... Here you go +2, Agust

Yeah it irks me because we could be getting more money for our schools. Aresco worked for espn and sat on the exact opposite of the bargaining table (on espns side) so he knows the game inside and out.

He knew to entice a bidding war and up our value was to get us a GOR and having another network outside of espn be interested. Us signing a GOR could get us so much more and possibly have us sign with another network.

Without it we are at the handicap and locked in by what espn will pay. Now they wi have the option to low-ball us because no other network will want to take the risk and they can dangle "expansion" and "big 12" to keep us from not signing one.

We should let Aresco do his job because he knows what he's doing. Well sorry for the posts it just angers me that were that naive.

Not that it really matters, but FYI, he worked for CBS.

(12-25-2018 09:36 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 08:20 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The stuff about a grant of rights adding monetary value to a media contract is all BS as far as I can tell. It looks more like the commissioner and the lesser schools in this conference trying to bind the more valuable schools and prevent them leaving in 2025. Very transparent

Your not wrong it is transparent. That is exactly what they are trying to do because it will get us the greater deal.

where you and those that feel the same way about the GOR are wrong is that yall are short-sighted and don't see the big picture.

This is history repeating itself like the big east except the big 12 is next up in line.
the big 10 and SEC can swallow up the big 12 at the next alignment and leave whatever is left to the birds or fending for themselves in the new contract ( hello big east)

look at it from espns stand point. they would rather pay a school an extra 10+ million than another 25+ it would take for the big 12 to match the new contract offers of the big 10 or sec.

by saving another 10+ million and getting rid of under performing schools espn will save boat loads of money in the processes. they could care less about what conference the team plays in.

those not signing a gor are only looking at the current landscape and will be pinning their hopes on everything remaining the same. if your looking into going into the big 12 your pretty much looking at joining a worst conference when its said and done.
the contract will more then likely be less than what we could currently get.

history is the greatest teacher.

Agree ^^^

The big12 is run by two programs, UT at Austin and OU everyone else must wait out on the porch while these two make all decisions for everyone.

The dangers in joining the big12 and why I hope Houston never joins;
UT only looks after itself and the worst part is you never know what they're up to.

If UT leaves goodbye tv $$$ agreement and big12 folds... If OU leaves, UT follows, goodbye tv deal $$$ and big 12 folds.

Definitely not what I want Houston experiencing all over again.

(12-25-2018 09:36 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 08:20 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The stuff about a grant of rights adding monetary value to a media contract is all BS as far as I can tell. It looks more like the commissioner and the lesser schools in this conference trying to bind the more valuable schools and prevent them leaving in 2025. Very transparent

Your not wrong it is transparent. That is exactly what they are trying to do because it will get us the greater deal.

where you and those that feel the same way about the GOR are wrong is that yall are short-sighted and don't see the big picture.

This is history repeating itself like the big east except the big 12 is next up in line.
the big 10 and SEC can swallow up the big 12 at the next alignment and leave whatever is left to the birds or fending for themselves in the new contract ( hello big east)

look at it from espns stand point. they would rather pay a school an extra 10+ million than another 25+ it would take for the big 12 to match the new contract offers of the big 10 or sec.

by saving another 10+ million and getting rid of under performing schools espn will save boat loads of money in the processes. they could care less about what conference the team plays in.

those not signing a gor are only looking at the current landscape and will be pinning their hopes on everything remaining the same. if your looking into going into the big 12 your pretty much looking at joining a worst conference when its said and done.
the contract will more then likely be less than what we could currently get.

history is the greatest teacher.

So here is where your theory on a GOR fails to hold water. If ESPN holds all the keys to expansion—then why would an AAC GOR have any significant value to ESPN when ESPN already controls the ability of teams to move up?

(12-25-2018 10:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 01:14 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 12:56 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 12:47 AM)Agust Wrote:  The upper teams that do not want to sign the GOR are blinded by greed and will be doing it to their own peril. ESPN will not be paying up to 15 mil more for a school that it already owns rights too.

This leaves out any chance of a big 12 invite no matter how awesome or deserving your team is. This leaves the only expansion canidates being BYU, San Diego, or Boise. And neither are worth more than anything AAC will be getting.

So espn will have them sign with the AAC rather than the big 12. You can look at it as AAC being the discount bin for espn for adding more teams.

So a school not signing a GOR due to some issue or it's fan base is just stupid.

Well said

I have for a long while not + rep points for anyone... Here you go +2, Agust

Yeah it irks me because we could be getting more money for our schools. Aresco worked for espn and sat on the exact opposite of the bargaining table (on espns side) so he knows the game inside and out.

He knew to entice a bidding war and up our value was to get us a GOR and having another network outside of espn be interested. Us signing a GOR could get us so much more and possibly have us sign with another network.

Without it we are at the handicap and locked in by what espn will pay. Now they wi have the option to low-ball us because no other network will want to take the risk and they can dangle "expansion" and "big 12" to keep us from not signing one.

We should let Aresco do his job because he knows what he's doing. Well sorry for the posts it just angers me that were that naive.

Not that it really matters, but FYI, he worked for CBS.

He spent many years with ESPN before CBS.

(12-25-2018 09:42 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 08:20 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The stuff about a grant of rights adding monetary value to a media contract is all BS as far as I can tell. It looks more like the commissioner and the lesser schools in this conference trying to bind the more valuable schools and prevent them leaving in 2025. Very transparent

Haha, Memphis ain’t going anywhere

Merry Christmas

Who knows? You certainly don't. When the Big 12 grant of rights expires I suspect the Big 12 will look very different than it does now --- and so will the AAC. To expect a team like UCF to sign an AAC grant of rights binding itself to this conference is just industrial strength stupid. If a decision maker at UCF where to even consider it it would be malfeasance of the highest order considering the possibilities in 2025 and after.

(12-25-2018 10:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 09:36 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 08:20 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The stuff about a grant of rights adding monetary value to a media contract is all BS as far as I can tell. It looks more like the commissioner and the lesser schools in this conference trying to bind the more valuable schools and prevent them leaving in 2025. Very transparent

Your not wrong it is transparent. That is exactly what they are trying to do because it will get us the greater deal.

where you and those that feel the same way about the GOR are wrong is that yall are short-sighted and don't see the big picture.

This is history repeating itself like the big east except the big 12 is next up in line.
the big 10 and SEC can swallow up the big 12 at the next alignment and leave whatever is left to the birds or fending for themselves in the new contract ( hello big east)

look at it from espns stand point. they would rather pay a school an extra 10+ million than another 25+ it would take for the big 12 to match the new contract offers of the big 10 or sec.

by saving another 10+ million and getting rid of under performing schools espn will save boat loads of money in the processes. they could care less about what conference the team plays in.

those not signing a gor are only looking at the current landscape and will be pinning their hopes on everything remaining the same. if your looking into going into the big 12 your pretty much looking at joining a worst conference when its said and done.
the contract will more then likely be less than what we could currently get.

history is the greatest teacher.

So here is where your theory on a GOR fails to hold water. If ESPN holds all the keys to expansion—then why would an AAC GOR have any significant value to ESPN when ESPN already controls the ability of teams to move up?

B/c UT has become to huge of a problem child were even ESPN won't admit of the LHN failure but yet still has to fork over $15 million a year for UT.

(12-25-2018 10:50 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  The big12 is run by two programs, UT at Austin and OU everyone else must wait out on the porch while these two make all decisions for everyone.

The dangers in joining the big12 and why I hope Houston never joins;
UT only looks after itself and the worst part is you never know what they're up to.

If UT leaves goodbye tv $$$ agreement and big12 folds... If OU leaves, UT follows, goodbye tv deal $$$ and big 12 folds.

Definitely not what I want Houston experiencing all over again.

The Big 12 folding, if that would ever happen, not only leaves a weaken conference but potentially frees UWV to come back home and join the AAC, near where their roots were., with the benefit of somewhat less travel in the eastern division of the AAC. At the very least, and assuming the AAC stays together, it gives the AAC ammunition to raid the probably disbanded Big 12 and take in UWV.

In fact if any media Outlet is concerned about the future of the AAC all they have to do is structure a contract that reflects that concern. A clause that allows a restructuring of the contract if certain teams leave or other material changes occur in the conference. You know something like the contract that already exists. The grant of rights crap is about nothing other than the fear 2025 and what happens then.

Did they say how many free dairy whip meals that WSU gets as their cut of the contract? That's the important part.

(12-25-2018 11:50 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Did they say how many free dairy whip meals that WSU gets as their cut of the contract? That's the important part.

All you can eat Dippin’ Dots

(12-25-2018 01:14 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 12:56 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 12:47 AM)Agust Wrote:  The upper teams that do not want to sign the GOR are blinded by greed and will be doing it to their own peril. ESPN will not be paying up to 15 mil more for a school that it already owns rights too.

This leaves out any chance of a big 12 invite no matter how awesome or deserving your team is. This leaves the only expansion canidates being BYU, San Diego, or Boise. And neither are worth more than anything AAC will be getting.

So espn will have them sign with the AAC rather than the big 12. You can look at it as AAC being the discount bin for espn for adding more teams.

So a school not signing a GOR due to some issue or it's fan base is just stupid.

Well said

I have for a long while not + rep points for anyone... Here you go +2, Agust

Yeah it irks me because we could be getting more money for our schools. Aresco worked for espn and sat on the exact opposite of the bargaining table (on espns side) so he knows the game inside and out.

He knew to entice a bidding war and up our value was to get us a GOR and having another network outside of espn be interested. Us signing a GOR could get us so much more and possibly have us sign with another network.

Without it we are at the handicap and locked in by what espn will pay. Now they wi have the option to low-ball us because no other network will want to take the risk and they can dangle "expansion" and "big 12" to keep us from not signing one.

We should let Aresco do his job because he knows what he's doing. Well sorry for the posts it just angers me that were that naive.

And when Texas and Oklahoma bolt the Big 12, the remaining teams are only going to get half of what they currently get and consolidate with the AAC. Sign the GOR now for $13M.

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(12-25-2018 11:59 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 11:50 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Did they say how many free dairy whip meals that WSU gets as their cut of the contract? That's the important part.

All you can eat Dippin’ Dots

Sweet! Conference move was worth it

Take the money and run.

(12-25-2018 11:09 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 10:50 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  The big12 is run by two programs, UT at Austin and OU everyone else must wait out on the porch while these two make all decisions for everyone.

The dangers in joining the big12 and why I hope Houston never joins;
UT only looks after itself and the worst part is you never know what they're up to.

If UT leaves goodbye tv $$$ agreement and big12 folds... If OU leaves, UT follows, goodbye tv deal $$$ and big 12 folds.

Definitely not what I want Houston experiencing all over again.

The Big 12 folding, if that would ever happen, not only leaves a weaken conference but potentially frees UWV to come back home and join the AAC, near where their roots were., with the benefit of somewhat less travel in the eastern division of the AAC. At the very least, and assuming the AAC stays together, it gives the AAC ammunition to raid the probably disbanded Big 12 and take in UWV.

2025 isn't to far off... There's so much up in the air for everyone including the AAC... If the new upcoming AAC tv deal isn't friendly enough my guess new addresses for a few AAC members.

But if the AAC is given a nice bump $$$ my guess the big12 won't be big12 for long.

(12-25-2018 09:42 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 08:20 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The stuff about a grant of rights adding monetary value to a media contract is all BS as far as I can tell. It looks more like the commissioner and the lesser schools in this conference trying to bind the more valuable schools and prevent them leaving in 2025. Very transparent

Haha, Memphis ain’t going anywhere

Merry Christmas

Just wait until the big announcement Tuesday.

(12-25-2018 10:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 09:36 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 08:20 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The stuff about a grant of rights adding monetary value to a media contract is all BS as far as I can tell. It looks more like the commissioner and the lesser schools in this conference trying to bind the more valuable schools and prevent them leaving in 2025. Very transparent

Your not wrong it is transparent. That is exactly what they are trying to do because it will get us the greater deal.

where you and those that feel the same way about the GOR are wrong is that yall are short-sighted and don't see the big picture.

This is history repeating itself like the big east except the big 12 is next up in line.
the big 10 and SEC can swallow up the big 12 at the next alignment and leave whatever is left to the birds or fending for themselves in the new contract ( hello big east)

look at it from espns stand point. they would rather pay a school an extra 10+ million than another 25+ it would take for the big 12 to match the new contract offers of the big 10 or sec.

by saving another 10+ million and getting rid of under performing schools espn will save boat loads of money in the processes. they could care less about what conference the team plays in.

those not signing a gor are only looking at the current landscape and will be pinning their hopes on everything remaining the same. if your looking into going into the big 12 your pretty much looking at joining a worst conference when its said and done.
the contract will more then likely be less than what we could currently get.

history is the greatest teacher.

So here is where your theory on a GOR fails to hold water. If ESPN holds all the keys to expansion—then why would an AAC GOR have any significant value to ESPN when ESPN already controls the ability of teams to move up?

This is just flat out wrong. ESPN was in control when they split up the big east.

Now ESPN controls the AAC who has a strict gor contract till 2028.

Fox is nipping at espn's heels and has major conferences under its umbrella.

CBS is a major player for the SEC and controls college basketball.

NBC is the middle weight with some hands. Notre Dame continues to do well and they have other non-college properties that will allow them to stay competitive.

If you include any of the new comers its pretty obvious that ESPN can make some pushes, but they aren't controlling anything. They won't even be a deciding factor.