(11-24-2018 08:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  A vote for Espy is a vote for Chuck Schumer. I couldn’t do that. If I were in Mississippi, I would probably sit this one out.

Both of these candidates are absolutely awful. I tried to watch their debate last week and had to turn it off.

Yea, Espy is a very CONSERVATIVE Democrat. He even endorsed Haley Barbour for Governor. That being said, right now I don't feel like I can wait on perfect, so I support him. Nor do I think that anyone better than Espy is really available. Its Mississippi for crying out loud.

The fact that Espy is considered a conservative democrat speaks volumes about how far left the democrats have moved.

(11-24-2018 09:15 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:18 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  1982 is the last time a democrat won a US Senate seat in MS. The democrat party was a very different party back the focused on big labor and middle class issues. Neither of those are top 10 issues now. Democrats have Climate change as a top 3 issue, I think that's a loser.

I'm not so sure that the people in Harrison, Jackson, and Hancock Counties think that Climate Change/Environmental issues are losers. After the BP spill coated the beaches in filth and ruined the tourism/fishing industries and Katrina...there's a few people down there that aren't foolish enough to support unregulated environmental degredation and man made climate change.

But that's not an issue in this race. The whole contest is about racism. Will Mississippi thumb its nose at the world again and say "screw you - we don' care if you call us racists"? Probably.

For me, it will be an interesting exercise to see if even 30 percent of white voters will actually vote for Espy.

Remind me who was president during the BP oil spill. Pretty sure he had the most active, highly regulated EPA ever under his watch.

BP happened because W removed regulations that the friggin' Mexicans had to prevent this type of spill. W's Admin decided to save offshore oil companies 100,000 bucks on a 50 million dollar offshore oil rig (Deepwater Horizon was even more of a total investment) and as a direct result, the spill happened. Yes, Obama was President when the blowout happened, but by the time Obama got into office, the Deepwater Horizon was already built.

(11-24-2018 03:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/23/mississi...-espy.html

Just throwing this out here for people to predict and comment on the race.

I for the record, think that Mike Espy is going to have a real difficult road. Here's why

1) Cindy Hyde-Smith is a far-far-FAR right wing candidate. But she's not Roy Moore. And her views and statements appear to match those of many white Mississippians.

2) Hyde-Smith got 41 percent on the general election date. An even worse candidate, Confederate/Southern Nationalist Chris McDaniel, got 19 percent. Espy had 40 percent. Its hard to imagine McDaniel voters voting for Mike Espy, an African American

3) Both candidates in the runoff have had issues. For Espy, there have been claims that he had some financial improprieties. Cindy Hyde-Smith has had Confederacy/Jim Crow turrets, including joking about attending public lynchings.

4) For Espy to win, he needs African Amreican voters to be north of 40% of the runoff turnout (They were 33 percent in November). In addition, he will need 30 percent of the non-black vote (He didn't get that in November).

Espy does have the momentum right now, but I just see it as too far of a distance to cover. And its Mississippi.

Tom, seriously, are you a paid propagandist?

No idea if this has been pointed out below, I’d hope so-

But do you have any kind of link or source for her “joking about attending ‘public lynchings’?”

Im a relatively keen observer of affairs and have a decent background in history. I can’t really recall many public lynchings.

Can you point to a couple in the last 100-150 yrs or so?!?

Thx

(11-24-2018 04:08 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Hyde-Smith is dumb as a box of rocks. She’ll easily win in Mississippi.

I guess you’d know.

The box of rocks thing, I mean

(11-24-2018 06:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:18 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  1982 is the last time a democrat won a US Senate seat in MS. The democrat party was a very different party back the focused on big labor and middle class issues. Neither of those are top 10 issues now. Democrats have Climate change as a top 3 issue, I think that's a loser.

I'm not so sure that the people in Harrison, Jackson, and Hancock Counties think that Climate Change/Environmental issues are losers. After the BP spill coated the beaches in filth and ruined the tourism/fishing industries and Katrina...there's a few people down there that aren't foolish enough to support unregulated environmental degredation and man made climate change.

But that's not an issue in this race. The whole contest is about racism. Will Mississippi thumb its nose at the world again and say "screw you - we don' care if you call us racists"? Probably.

For me, it will be an interesting exercise to see if even 30 percent of white voters will actually vote for Espy.

Can you point us to one person who supports unregulated environmental degradation and/OR “man made climate change”?

I’d find that fascinating. Thx

(11-24-2018 06:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 04:20 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 04:08 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Hyde-Smith is dumb as a box of rocks. She’ll easily win in Mississippi.

Tell me more about how everyone who receives a subsidy for their health insurance is on Medicaid.

Wait, do you even know how a deductible works?

Tell me how a tax credit for a family making 400% over the poverty line is a subsidy?

Do you even know the difference between a subsidy and a tax credit?

Pretty sure he asked about it being Medicaid, but you can check Muh maths on that...

(11-24-2018 11:41 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 03:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/23/mississi...-espy.html

Just throwing this out here for people to predict and comment on the race.

I for the record, think that Mike Espy is going to have a real difficult road. Here's why

1) Cindy Hyde-Smith is a far-far-FAR right wing candidate. But she's not Roy Moore. And her views and statements appear to match those of many white Mississippians.

2) Hyde-Smith got 41 percent on the general election date. An even worse candidate, Confederate/Southern Nationalist Chris McDaniel, got 19 percent. Espy had 40 percent. Its hard to imagine McDaniel voters voting for Mike Espy, an African American

3) Both candidates in the runoff have had issues. For Espy, there have been claims that he had some financial improprieties. Cindy Hyde-Smith has had Confederacy/Jim Crow turrets, including joking about attending public lynchings.

4) For Espy to win, he needs African Amreican voters to be north of 40% of the runoff turnout (They were 33 percent in November). In addition, he will need 30 percent of the non-black vote (He didn't get that in November).

Espy does have the momentum right now, but I just see it as too far of a distance to cover. And its Mississippi.

Tom, seriously, are you a paid propagandist?

No idea if this has been pointed out below, I’d hope so-

But do you have any kind of link or source for her “joking about attending ‘public lynchings’?”

Im a relatively keen observer of affairs and have a decent background in history. I can’t really recall many public lynchings.

Can you point to a couple in the last 100-150 yrs or so?!?

Thx

Just google "Cindy Hyde-Smith lynching" and you'll get a mountain of sources from any number of news outlets. Rather than pick one myself, I'll just let you pick the outlet of your choice.

Where do you get your news? Even Fox News has carried stories about Cindy Hyde-Smith joking about attending a public lynching.

This isn't in dispute. She said it on video.

----

Lynchings of Black persons is sadly a very real part of our history. I'd argue that the Micheal Donald lynching in my hometown in the 1980's qualified as a public lynching, as they left the body hanging from a tree 5 blocks from my house as a symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_i...ted_States

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Lynchings are not a joke. There are certain things that are not okay to joke about. Combined with her documented history of horrendous bigotry (the Mississippi Agricultural Center case was pretty instructive to me when she was Ag. Commissioner of Mississippi) and her jokes about not wanting certain people to vote (she made those comments on video as well the day after the video of her joking about her willingness to attend a public lynching make her unacceptable as a US Senator. But she'll probably win. And Mississippi will suffer for it.

(11-24-2018 11:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:41 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 03:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/23/mississi...-espy.html

Just throwing this out here for people to predict and comment on the race.

I for the record, think that Mike Espy is going to have a real difficult road. Here's why

1) Cindy Hyde-Smith is a far-far-FAR right wing candidate. But she's not Roy Moore. And her views and statements appear to match those of many white Mississippians.

2) Hyde-Smith got 41 percent on the general election date. An even worse candidate, Confederate/Southern Nationalist Chris McDaniel, got 19 percent. Espy had 40 percent. Its hard to imagine McDaniel voters voting for Mike Espy, an African American

3) Both candidates in the runoff have had issues. For Espy, there have been claims that he had some financial improprieties. Cindy Hyde-Smith has had Confederacy/Jim Crow turrets, including joking about attending public lynchings.

4) For Espy to win, he needs African Amreican voters to be north of 40% of the runoff turnout (They were 33 percent in November). In addition, he will need 30 percent of the non-black vote (He didn't get that in November).

Espy does have the momentum right now, but I just see it as too far of a distance to cover. And its Mississippi.

Tom, seriously, are you a paid propagandist?

No idea if this has been pointed out below, I’d hope so-

But do you have any kind of link or source for her “joking about attending ‘public lynchings’?”

Im a relatively keen observer of affairs and have a decent background in history. I can’t really recall many public lynchings.

Can you point to a couple in the last 100-150 yrs or so?!?

Thx

Just google "Cindy Hyde-Smith lynching" and you'll get a mountain of sources from any number of news outlets. Rather than pick one myself, I'll just let you pick the outlet of your choice.

Where do you get your news? Even Fox News has carried stories about Cindy Hyde-Smith joking about attending a public lynching.

This isn't in dispute. She said it on video.

----

Lynchings of Black persons is sadly a very real part of our history. I'd argue that the Micheal Donald lynching in my hometown in the 1980's qualified as a public lynching, as they left the body hanging from a tree 5 blocks from my house as a symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_i...ted_States

----

Lynchings are not a joke. There are certain things that are not okay to joke about. Combined with her documented history of horrendous bigotry (the Mississippi Agricultural Center case was pretty instructive to me when she was Ag. Commissioner of Mississippi) and her jokes about not wanting certain people to vote (she made those comments on video as well the day after the video of her joking about her willingness to attend a public lynching make her unacceptable as a US Senator. But she'll probably win. And Mississippi will suffer for it.

Said WHAT on video?

Public hangings are/were a real thing, yes. Everyone caught and convicted in assassination of Lincoln was sentenced to execution by hanging. Ergo, a public hanging.

Is a lynching what she commented on? Do you recognize/understand the difference?

(11-24-2018 11:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:41 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 03:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/23/mississi...-espy.html

Just throwing this out here for people to predict and comment on the race.

I for the record, think that Mike Espy is going to have a real difficult road. Here's why

1) Cindy Hyde-Smith is a far-far-FAR right wing candidate. But she's not Roy Moore. And her views and statements appear to match those of many white Mississippians.

2) Hyde-Smith got 41 percent on the general election date. An even worse candidate, Confederate/Southern Nationalist Chris McDaniel, got 19 percent. Espy had 40 percent. Its hard to imagine McDaniel voters voting for Mike Espy, an African American

3) Both candidates in the runoff have had issues. For Espy, there have been claims that he had some financial improprieties. Cindy Hyde-Smith has had Confederacy/Jim Crow turrets, including joking about attending public lynchings.

4) For Espy to win, he needs African Amreican voters to be north of 40% of the runoff turnout (They were 33 percent in November). In addition, he will need 30 percent of the non-black vote (He didn't get that in November).

Espy does have the momentum right now, but I just see it as too far of a distance to cover. And its Mississippi.

Tom, seriously, are you a paid propagandist?

No idea if this has been pointed out below, I’d hope so-

But do you have any kind of link or source for her “joking about attending ‘public lynchings’?”

Im a relatively keen observer of affairs and have a decent background in history. I can’t really recall many public lynchings.

Can you point to a couple in the last 100-150 yrs or so?!?

Thx

Just google "Cindy Hyde-Smith lynching" and you'll get a mountain of sources from any number of news outlets. Rather than pick one myself, I'll just let you pick the outlet of your choice.

Where do you get your news? Even Fox News has carried stories about Cindy Hyde-Smith joking about attending a public lynching.

This isn't in dispute. She said it on video.

----

Lynchings of Black persons is sadly a very real part of our history. I'd argue that the Micheal Donald lynching in my hometown in the 1980's qualified as a public lynching, as they left the body hanging from a tree 5 blocks from my house as a symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_i...ted_States

----

Lynchings are not a joke. There are certain things that are not okay to joke about. Combined with her documented history of horrendous bigotry (the Mississippi Agricultural Center case was pretty instructive to me when she was Ag. Commissioner of Mississippi) and her jokes about not wanting certain people to vote (she made those comments on video as well the day after the video of her joking about her willingness to attend a public lynching make her unacceptable as a US Senator. But she'll probably win. And Mississippi will suffer for it.

Said WHAT on video?

Public hangings are/were a real thing, yes. Everyone caught and convicted in assassination of Lincoln was sentenced to execution by hanging. Ergo, a public hanging.

Is a lynching what she commented on? Do you recognize/understand the difference?

No, I'm not even going to consider your implication that African American lynching victims were in any way comparable to the hanging after a trial of persons involved in a crime - the assassination of the President of the United States.

I'm also not getting into some sort of semantic argument with you about what she said. I've seen the video, I grew up 20 miles from Mississippi, and I know damn well that she knew exactly what she was saying. You are free to argue that she really was making some other statement if you'd like. I'm just going to pass on going down that rabbit hole.

She isn't denying she said it either.

(11-25-2018 12:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:41 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 03:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/23/mississi...-espy.html

Just throwing this out here for people to predict and comment on the race.

I for the record, think that Mike Espy is going to have a real difficult road. Here's why

1) Cindy Hyde-Smith is a far-far-FAR right wing candidate. But she's not Roy Moore. And her views and statements appear to match those of many white Mississippians.

2) Hyde-Smith got 41 percent on the general election date. An even worse candidate, Confederate/Southern Nationalist Chris McDaniel, got 19 percent. Espy had 40 percent. Its hard to imagine McDaniel voters voting for Mike Espy, an African American

3) Both candidates in the runoff have had issues. For Espy, there have been claims that he had some financial improprieties. Cindy Hyde-Smith has had Confederacy/Jim Crow turrets, including joking about attending public lynchings.

4) For Espy to win, he needs African Amreican voters to be north of 40% of the runoff turnout (They were 33 percent in November). In addition, he will need 30 percent of the non-black vote (He didn't get that in November).

Espy does have the momentum right now, but I just see it as too far of a distance to cover. And its Mississippi.

Tom, seriously, are you a paid propagandist?

No idea if this has been pointed out below, I’d hope so-

But do you have any kind of link or source for her “joking about attending ‘public lynchings’?”

Im a relatively keen observer of affairs and have a decent background in history. I can’t really recall many public lynchings.

Can you point to a couple in the last 100-150 yrs or so?!?

Thx

Just google "Cindy Hyde-Smith lynching" and you'll get a mountain of sources from any number of news outlets. Rather than pick one myself, I'll just let you pick the outlet of your choice.

Where do you get your news? Even Fox News has carried stories about Cindy Hyde-Smith joking about attending a public lynching.

This isn't in dispute. She said it on video.

----

Lynchings of Black persons is sadly a very real part of our history. I'd argue that the Micheal Donald lynching in my hometown in the 1980's qualified as a public lynching, as they left the body hanging from a tree 5 blocks from my house as a symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_i...ted_States

----

Lynchings are not a joke. There are certain things that are not okay to joke about. Combined with her documented history of horrendous bigotry (the Mississippi Agricultural Center case was pretty instructive to me when she was Ag. Commissioner of Mississippi) and her jokes about not wanting certain people to vote (she made those comments on video as well the day after the video of her joking about her willingness to attend a public lynching make her unacceptable as a US Senator. But she'll probably win. And Mississippi will suffer for it.

Said WHAT on video?

Public hangings are/were a real thing, yes. Everyone caught and convicted in assassination of Lincoln was sentenced to execution by hanging. Ergo, a public hanging.

Is a lynching what she commented on? Do you recognize/understand the difference?

No, I'm not even going to consider your implication that African American lynching victims were in any way comparable to the hanging after a trial of persons involved in a crime - the assassination of the President of the United States.

I'm also not getting into some sort of semantic argument with you about what she said. I've seen the video, I grew up 20 miles from Mississippi, and I know damn well that she knew exactly what she was saying. You are free to argue that she really was making some other statement if you'd like. I'm just going to pass on going down that rabbit hole.

She isn't denying she said it either.

I know what she said, it wasn’t nice, but she should not lose a Senate seat over it.

It certainly does not approach what Hillary Clinton said about the fing ns voting how they are told to vote.


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(11-25-2018 12:24 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 12:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:41 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Tom, seriously, are you a paid propagandist?

No idea if this has been pointed out below, I’d hope so-

But do you have any kind of link or source for her “joking about attending ‘public lynchings’?”

Im a relatively keen observer of affairs and have a decent background in history. I can’t really recall many public lynchings.

Can you point to a couple in the last 100-150 yrs or so?!?

Thx

Just google "Cindy Hyde-Smith lynching" and you'll get a mountain of sources from any number of news outlets. Rather than pick one myself, I'll just let you pick the outlet of your choice.

Where do you get your news? Even Fox News has carried stories about Cindy Hyde-Smith joking about attending a public lynching.

This isn't in dispute. She said it on video.

----

Lynchings of Black persons is sadly a very real part of our history. I'd argue that the Micheal Donald lynching in my hometown in the 1980's qualified as a public lynching, as they left the body hanging from a tree 5 blocks from my house as a symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_i...ted_States

----

Lynchings are not a joke. There are certain things that are not okay to joke about. Combined with her documented history of horrendous bigotry (the Mississippi Agricultural Center case was pretty instructive to me when she was Ag. Commissioner of Mississippi) and her jokes about not wanting certain people to vote (she made those comments on video as well the day after the video of her joking about her willingness to attend a public lynching make her unacceptable as a US Senator. But she'll probably win. And Mississippi will suffer for it.

Said WHAT on video?

Public hangings are/were a real thing, yes. Everyone caught and convicted in assassination of Lincoln was sentenced to execution by hanging. Ergo, a public hanging.

Is a lynching what she commented on? Do you recognize/understand the difference?

No, I'm not even going to consider your implication that African American lynching victims were in any way comparable to the hanging after a trial of persons involved in a crime - the assassination of the President of the United States.

I'm also not getting into some sort of semantic argument with you about what she said. I've seen the video, I grew up 20 miles from Mississippi, and I know damn well that she knew exactly what she was saying. You are free to argue that she really was making some other statement if you'd like. I'm just going to pass on going down that rabbit hole.

She isn't denying she said it either.

I know what she said, it wasn’t nice, but she should not lose a Senate seat over it.


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That is what the people of Mississippi will be voting about on Tuesday. And if they chose to agree with you, the world will be able to opine on what that says about Mississippi. I suspect that Mississippi will agree with you. Its not like Mississippi really has 'much more to lose' other than a missed opportunity to engage with the world as a respected member of that world. They've been thumbing their nose at the world for 150 years and enough of them have been comfortable enough with economic decline to do so pretty much the entire time of that decline. We will see if Mississippi surprises.

(11-25-2018 12:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  No, I'm not even going to consider your implication that African American lynching victims were in any way comparable to the hanging after a trial of persons involved in a crime - the assassination of the President of the United States.

Well, one respect in which they are different is that Cindy Hyde-Smith commented about the latter, not the former. Lynchings were generally not public hangings. They were done generally in secret and in the dark because they were not legal.

Quote:I'm also not getting into some sort of semantic argument with you about what she said. I've seen the video, I grew up 20 miles from Mississippi, and I know damn well that she knew exactly what she was saying. You are free to argue that she really was making some other statement if you'd like. I'm just going to pass on going down that rabbit hole.
She isn't denying she said it either.

So you are clairvoyant? I grew up 50 miles from Mississippi and I did not get what you got from what she said. Does 30 miles make that much difference?

It was a stupid term to use, and I wish she had used a different analogy. But the whole idea that this is some sort of dog whistle to white supremacists is absurd. How many people in the entire state of Mississippi are thinking, "Wow, I was thinking about voting for that Espy feller, but she just showed me that she's one of us, so I'm going to vote for her"? Because that is what you are suggesting. I'd put the over/under number at one, and I'd take the under.

If I thought for a minute that she truly meant what you are implying, and I voted in Mississippi, I would vote for Mike Espy. I will admit, your tactic has worked with me to the extent that I would probably sit this one out. You have pushed it so vigorously that you have raised a scintilla of doubt to the level sufficient, for example, to vote not guilty in the case of a murder trial. And that sort of pisses me off, the realization that I could be gullible enough to fall for it. So upon further reflection, I might just vote for Hyde-Smith as a protest against identity politics. But for God's sake, woman, clean up your act.

This is one more example of democrat attempts to manufacture a smear issue with which they can play identity politics.

(11-25-2018 12:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 12:24 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 12:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just google "Cindy Hyde-Smith lynching" and you'll get a mountain of sources from any number of news outlets. Rather than pick one myself, I'll just let you pick the outlet of your choice.

Where do you get your news? Even Fox News has carried stories about Cindy Hyde-Smith joking about attending a public lynching.

This isn't in dispute. She said it on video.

----

Lynchings of Black persons is sadly a very real part of our history. I'd argue that the Micheal Donald lynching in my hometown in the 1980's qualified as a public lynching, as they left the body hanging from a tree 5 blocks from my house as a symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_i...ted_States

----

Lynchings are not a joke. There are certain things that are not okay to joke about. Combined with her documented history of horrendous bigotry (the Mississippi Agricultural Center case was pretty instructive to me when she was Ag. Commissioner of Mississippi) and her jokes about not wanting certain people to vote (she made those comments on video as well the day after the video of her joking about her willingness to attend a public lynching make her unacceptable as a US Senator. But she'll probably win. And Mississippi will suffer for it.

Said WHAT on video?

Public hangings are/were a real thing, yes. Everyone caught and convicted in assassination of Lincoln was sentenced to execution by hanging. Ergo, a public hanging.

Is a lynching what she commented on? Do you recognize/understand the difference?

No, I'm not even going to consider your implication that African American lynching victims were in any way comparable to the hanging after a trial of persons involved in a crime - the assassination of the President of the United States.

I'm also not getting into some sort of semantic argument with you about what she said. I've seen the video, I grew up 20 miles from Mississippi, and I know damn well that she knew exactly what she was saying. You are free to argue that she really was making some other statement if you'd like. I'm just going to pass on going down that rabbit hole.

She isn't denying she said it either.

I know what she said, it wasn’t nice, but she should not lose a Senate seat over it.


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That is what the people of Mississippi will be voting about on Tuesday. And if they chose to agree with you, the world will be able to opine on what that says about Mississippi. I suspect that Mississippi will agree with you. Its not like Mississippi really has 'much more to lose' other than a missed opportunity to engage with the world as a respected member of that world. They've been thumbing their nose at the world for 150 years and enough of them have been comfortable enough with economic decline to do so pretty much the entire time of that decline. We will see if Mississippi surprises.

fwiw, it's public hanging not lynching you mindless twit....coming from the spin of the donks, this 'lynching' ranks right up there with global warming magically becoming climate change...your version is nothing but mindless spew....

and btw ding-dong, the last one was held a scant 82 yrs. ago.... a linky just for ewe ....those dayum ky-jello racist bastages, right???

I can promise you this.....nobody voting tuesday in the 'sip gives two shites about your rhetorical analysis....

edit: this is all about having a cushion with judicial appointments.....who gives a shite if both candidates suck....with a donk'd up house, that's where the senate has ya by the nads.....that's what really has your **** in knots....

(11-24-2018 03:17 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  it's a slam dunk for Smith....

espy has zero chance...

I wouldn't say zero. Special elections are unpredictable. Its how John Tower became the first Republican in Texas since reconstruction in 1961 (and maybe in the entire South).

(11-24-2018 08:13 PM)EagleX Wrote:  the forces of "ist" are out in full force. someone raided (perhaps) her high school yearbook, and they think they found something. now she is a racist.

she's going to win. but what the electorate needs to pause long enough to figure out is the ******* depths to which the DNC slime machine is willing to go to damage, destroy, or otherwise publicly disfigure their political opponents.

it's morally vile.

there is a special place in the least desirable part of hell reserved for these cretins of "ist".

They use the same twisted logic to paint every Republican a racist. It carries no weight with anybody but hard core Democrats. Its a technique to get low information and easily deluded Democratic voters to the polls.

(11-24-2018 11:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 09:15 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:18 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  1982 is the last time a democrat won a US Senate seat in MS. The democrat party was a very different party back the focused on big labor and middle class issues. Neither of those are top 10 issues now. Democrats have Climate change as a top 3 issue, I think that's a loser.

I'm not so sure that the people in Harrison, Jackson, and Hancock Counties think that Climate Change/Environmental issues are losers. After the BP spill coated the beaches in filth and ruined the tourism/fishing industries and Katrina...there's a few people down there that aren't foolish enough to support unregulated environmental degredation and man made climate change.

But that's not an issue in this race. The whole contest is about racism. Will Mississippi thumb its nose at the world again and say "screw you - we don' care if you call us racists"? Probably.

For me, it will be an interesting exercise to see if even 30 percent of white voters will actually vote for Espy.

Remind me who was president during the BP oil spill. Pretty sure he had the most active, highly regulated EPA ever under his watch.

BP happened because W removed regulations that the friggin' Mexicans had to prevent this type of spill. W's Admin decided to save offshore oil companies 100,000 bucks on a 50 million dollar offshore oil rig (Deepwater Horizon was even more of a total investment) and as a direct result, the spill happened. Yes, Obama was President when the blowout happened, but by the time Obama got into office, the Deepwater Horizon was already built.

The spill happened because BP violated even pretty much every internal company policy. It was a massive case of incompetence.

(11-25-2018 12:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:41 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 03:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/23/mississi...-espy.html

Just throwing this out here for people to predict and comment on the race.

I for the record, think that Mike Espy is going to have a real difficult road. Here's why

1) Cindy Hyde-Smith is a far-far-FAR right wing candidate. But she's not Roy Moore. And her views and statements appear to match those of many white Mississippians.

2) Hyde-Smith got 41 percent on the general election date. An even worse candidate, Confederate/Southern Nationalist Chris McDaniel, got 19 percent. Espy had 40 percent. Its hard to imagine McDaniel voters voting for Mike Espy, an African American

3) Both candidates in the runoff have had issues. For Espy, there have been claims that he had some financial improprieties. Cindy Hyde-Smith has had Confederacy/Jim Crow turrets, including joking about attending public lynchings.

4) For Espy to win, he needs African Amreican voters to be north of 40% of the runoff turnout (They were 33 percent in November). In addition, he will need 30 percent of the non-black vote (He didn't get that in November).

Espy does have the momentum right now, but I just see it as too far of a distance to cover. And its Mississippi.

Tom, seriously, are you a paid propagandist?

No idea if this has been pointed out below, I’d hope so-

But do you have any kind of link or source for her “joking about attending ‘public lynchings’?”

Im a relatively keen observer of affairs and have a decent background in history. I can’t really recall many public lynchings.

Can you point to a couple in the last 100-150 yrs or so?!?

Thx

Just google "Cindy Hyde-Smith lynching" and you'll get a mountain of sources from any number of news outlets. Rather than pick one myself, I'll just let you pick the outlet of your choice.

Where do you get your news? Even Fox News has carried stories about Cindy Hyde-Smith joking about attending a public lynching.

This isn't in dispute. She said it on video.

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Lynchings of Black persons is sadly a very real part of our history. I'd argue that the Micheal Donald lynching in my hometown in the 1980's qualified as a public lynching, as they left the body hanging from a tree 5 blocks from my house as a symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_i...ted_States

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Lynchings are not a joke. There are certain things that are not okay to joke about. Combined with her documented history of horrendous bigotry (the Mississippi Agricultural Center case was pretty instructive to me when she was Ag. Commissioner of Mississippi) and her jokes about not wanting certain people to vote (she made those comments on video as well the day after the video of her joking about her willingness to attend a public lynching make her unacceptable as a US Senator. But she'll probably win. And Mississippi will suffer for it.

Said WHAT on video?

Public hangings are/were a real thing, yes. Everyone caught and convicted in assassination of Lincoln was sentenced to execution by hanging. Ergo, a public hanging.

Is a lynching what she commented on? Do you recognize/understand the difference?

No, I'm not even going to consider your implication that African American lynching victims were in any way comparable to the hanging after a trial of persons involved in a crime - the assassination of the President of the United States.

I'm also not getting into some sort of semantic argument with you about what she said. I've seen the video, I grew up 20 miles from Mississippi, and I know damn well that she knew exactly what she was saying. You are free to argue that she really was making some other statement if you'd like. I'm just going to pass on going down that rabbit hole.

She isn't denying she said it either.

In other words its another mindless DNC talking point, kind of like Justice Kavanaugh's comments in his HS yearbook.

LOL. I think the Dems have really won this even if Cindy Hyde-Smith wins. She's going to be the 'lyniching comic' and will be a pole star as time goes on. SNL is off until January, but I'm hoping they bring Amy Sedaris on to play her. If we can't win Mississippi, we can make a cautionary tale of it and her. Sure, the Confederacy supporters will rally to her side but they weren't in play anyway. If you voted for her to spare Mississippi from the embarrassment of Chris McDaniel, you didn't do enough. Most Americans will see little difference between the two.

Her game has never been ready for prime time. My personal favorite story about her. When she was Mississippi Ag Commissioner she decided to ban LGBT persons from renting state owned facilities open to the public because of Gay marriage laws. When she lost in court, she threw a temper tantrum, lest anyone think that she thought that LGBT persons had any rights in Mississippi, including the right to do business in the state.

And there's more there besides just the two gaffes she made (the joke about her being willing to attend a public lynching and her comments the very next day talking about not wanting college students to vote). Her Confederacy nostalgia is well beyond the norms of what is considered appropriate outside of her area. And she has NOTHING in her history to rebut those charges. That's the problem. The fact that she went to Beauvoir and played dress up, or the fact that she sponsored a resolution using pro-Confederacy language or the fact that she sent her kids to seg schools might be forgivable (or in the case of seg schools, explainable) if she wasn't making continual gaffes on race relations and respect for the minority, and if she could point to anything where she's taken a lead against bigotry. There's just nothing to offset those charges. There's no complexity to her at all. If there's something that's Confederate, she's for it. If there's something that's minority, she's against it.

So Mississippi will vote on Tuesday, and will probably elect Cindy Hyde-Smith, who will then go back to the Senate where she will be considered toxic by many of her colleagues. If they elect Espy, you'll get the thanks of the world (at least the world Mississippi needs) and you'll get a Senator that will probably be more Trumpy than Manchin (Espy endorsed Haley Barbour for Governor).

The joke she made about attending a public lynching was not about attending a public lynching. Try to get the quote straight.

(11-25-2018 08:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 12:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  No, I'm not even going to consider your implication that African American lynching victims were in any way comparable to the hanging after a trial of persons involved in a crime - the assassination of the President of the United States.

Well, one respect in which they are different is that Cindy Hyde-Smith commented about the latter, not the former. Lynchings were generally not public hangings. They were done generally in secret and in the dark because they were not legal.

Quote:I'm also not getting into some sort of semantic argument with you about what she said. I've seen the video, I grew up 20 miles from Mississippi, and I know damn well that she knew exactly what she was saying. You are free to argue that she really was making some other statement if you'd like. I'm just going to pass on going down that rabbit hole.
She isn't denying she said it either.

So you are clairvoyant? I grew up 50 miles from Mississippi and I did not get what you got from what she said. Does 30 miles make that much difference?

It was a stupid term to use, and I wish she had used a different analogy. But the whole idea that this is some sort of dog whistle to white supremacists is absurd. How many people in the entire state of Mississippi are thinking, "Wow, I was thinking about voting for that Espy feller, but she just showed me that she's one of us, so I'm going to vote for her"? Because that is what you are suggesting. I'd put the over/under number at one, and I'd take the under.

If I thought for a minute that she truly meant what you are implying, and I voted in Mississippi, I would vote for Mike Espy. I will admit, your tactic has worked with me to the extent that I would probably sit this one out. You have pushed it so vigorously that you have raised a scintilla of doubt to the level sufficient, for example, to vote not guilty in the case of a murder trial. And that sort of pisses me off, the realization that I could be gullible enough to fall for it. So upon further reflection, I might just vote for Hyde-Smith as a protest against identity politics. But for God's sake, woman, clean up your act.

This is one more example of democrat attempts to manufacture a smear issue with which they can play identity politics.

I would argue that the area that you are from is probably more applicable to Mississippi than my area is, the 20 mile difference not withstanding. Where you might run off the rails is that you *might* apply a different set of mores to her behavior, based upon your age. The world is a vastly different place than it was when I or you were growing up, and Cindy's behavior/views/ideas of what passes for acceptable discourse/advocacy has not aged well, especially outside of Mississippi. CHS will win because she will win places like Stone, Itawamba, and Greene Counties. That's not the future.

At least this time, its not our home state that is facing the embarrassment of another dog whistling rep. with Confederacy turrets that reinforces every bad stereotype about our state every time they open their mouth. Its Mississippi's turn this time.

Maybe Mississippi will surprise.