(11-25-2018 02:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Sorry but I really do not think Oklahoma is a lock with a win. If Georgia beats Alabama, they aren't going to be dropped from #1 to #5 just by losing to the #4 team in the country.

And even if Alabama beats Georgia- If Ohio St dominates Northwestern, and Oklahoma has one of those 59-56 type of games vs Texas- I think a lot of the committee is going to punish the hell out of Oklahoma for their putrid defense.

How about Ohio St.'s putrid defense? Are yall spending too much time listening to OSU alum Herbstreit?

Ohio St has given up 7 points per game fewer than Oklahoma.

And sorry but the committee has shown before a disdain for Big 12 "football". I don't think that's changed much.

Ohio St. plays in the Big 10 with a bunch of putrid offenses. And they do have one common opponent. Ohio St. beat TCU 40-28. OU beat TCU 52-27. They've been pretty consistently fond of Oklahoma.

If Ohio St has a good championship game, and Oklahoma has their normal game in the championship game- where lets say Ohio St wins 41-20 and Oklahoma wins 48-45, I think Ohio St gets the 4th slot, and it's not really that close even in the committee...

Well hopefully, we never get to find out.

Hook'em!

(11-25-2018 02:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  I don't think they put in a non-conference winner over a P5 conference winner with the same record. Oklahoma or Ohio St. beat out Alabama if they win and Alabama loses. They can't help realizing that they look like Nick Saban's employees if they do that.

The selection committee isn't charged with deciding who the most deserving is. They are charged for finding the best. And sorry but only homers would think that Alabama isn't better than either Oklahoma or Ohio St. They aren't dropping the #1 team in the country 4 spots by losing to the #4 team last week....

If Alabama loses to Georgia, then you re-evaluate. The committee IS charged with considering conference championships.

Only if they are considered comparable. And sorry but right now, don't think any one thinks of Alabama and Oklahoma/Ohio St as being close at all.... That is the only place where conference championships come to play.....

And right now Alabama is unbeaten and Oklahoma and Ohio St. don't have conference championships and don't have wins over top 15 teams in ccgs.

(11-25-2018 02:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  I don't think they put in a non-conference winner over a P5 conference winner with the same record. Oklahoma or Ohio St. beat out Alabama if they win and Alabama loses. They can't help realizing that they look like Nick Saban's employees if they do that.

The selection committee isn't charged with deciding who the most deserving is. They are charged for finding the best. And sorry but only homers would think that Alabama isn't better than either Oklahoma or Ohio St. They aren't dropping the #1 team in the country 4 spots by losing to the #4 team last week....

If Alabama loses to Georgia, then you re-evaluate. The committee IS charged with considering conference championships.

Only if they are considered comparable. And sorry but right now, don't think any one thinks of Alabama and Oklahoma/Ohio St as being close at all.... That is the only place where conference championships come to play.....

And right now Alabama is unbeaten and Oklahoma and Ohio St. don't have conference championships and don't have wins over top 15 teams in ccgs.

The perception though won't change, especially if Oklahoma has a Big 12 type of game in their conference championship, and Ohio St struggles with Northwestern.... The conference championships don't matter.... If the committee thinks Alabama is clearly better than Oklahoma/Ohio St- the conference championship will NEVER come into play.. It's written into the rules that way...…

(11-25-2018 02:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Only if they are considered comparable. And sorry but right now, don't think any one thinks of Alabama and Oklahoma/Ohio St as being close at all.... That is the only place where conference championships come to play.....

from the selection process:
Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar

So they have to be considered as looking similar.

Yeah, I'm a Buckeyes fan, but I don't see a CCG-losing Alabama being knocked out by a Big Ten championship Buckeyes, no matter how good Northwestern looks in the game and how good the Buckeyes look beating them. Beating Northwestern isn't a good enough win to do it ... 12-1 losing to #4 Georgia versus 12-1 losing to unranked 6-6 Purdue just isn't the same 12-1.

The Buckeyes want to win their CCG, want Bama to win the SEC, and want the Oklahoma defense to show up a quarter late to the Big 12 CCG.

(11-25-2018 03:05 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Only if they are considered comparable. And sorry but right now, don't think any one thinks of Alabama and Oklahoma/Ohio St as being close at all.... That is the only place where conference championships come to play.....

from the selection process:
Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar

So they have to be considered as looking similar.

Yeah, I'm a Buckeyes fan, but I don't see a CCG-losing Alabama being knocked out by a Big Ten championship Buckeyes, no matter how good Northwestern looks in the game and how good the Buckeyes look beating them. Beating Northwestern isn't a good enough win to do it ... 12-1 losing to #4 Georgia versus 12-1 losing to unranked 6-6 Purdue just isn't the same 12-1.

The Buckeyes want to win their CCG, want Bama to win the SEC, and want the Oklahoma defense to show up a quarter late to the Big 12 CCG.

No, the Oklahoma defense can show up right at the start of the game...

I definitely think Ohio St and Oklahoma are huge Bama fans this week... Far easier to make the playoff with Georgia out of the equation. Then it's just head to head.....

Of course one thing- Ohio St will know going into their game what they need. If Oklahoma wins a close big 12 type of game, and Alabama wins- they would know that if they are impressive- they're almost certainly in the playoff.

No question, everyone outside the CFP top 4 and angling to get in wants Alabama to beat Georgia. The nightmare scenario for all outside the top 4 is Georgia barely eeking past Alabama, thus making it very likely the SEC will get two teams in. An Alabama win over Georgia guarantees just one SEC team in playoffs.

Who watched the LSU-A&M game and what was that horrible noise one of the bands played every time A&M had the ball?

(11-25-2018 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Who watched the LSU-A&M game and what was that horrible noise one of the bands played every time A&M had the ball?

I didn't notice any sounds from the bands. Was A&M playing their fight song?

(11-25-2018 03:10 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 03:05 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Only if they are considered comparable. And sorry but right now, don't think any one thinks of Alabama and Oklahoma/Ohio St as being close at all.... That is the only place where conference championships come to play.....

from the selection process:
Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar

So they have to be considered as looking similar.

Yeah, I'm a Buckeyes fan, but I don't see a CCG-losing Alabama being knocked out by a Big Ten championship Buckeyes, no matter how good Northwestern looks in the game and how good the Buckeyes look beating them. Beating Northwestern isn't a good enough win to do it ... 12-1 losing to #4 Georgia versus 12-1 losing to unranked 6-6 Purdue just isn't the same 12-1.

The Buckeyes want to win their CCG, want Bama to win the SEC, and want the Oklahoma defense to show up a quarter late to the Big 12 CCG.

No, the Oklahoma defense can show up right at the start of the game...

I definitely think Ohio St and Oklahoma are huge Bama fans this week... Far easier to make the playoff with Georgia out of the equation. Then it's just head to head.....

Of course one thing- Ohio St will know going into their game what they need. If Oklahoma wins a close big 12 type of game, and Alabama wins- they would know that if they are impressive- they're almost certainly in the playoff.

These are your own biases. Ohio St. is not a Michigan or Alabama like team with an apparent lock down defense (Michigan's obviously "apparent" only). Its much more like Oklahoma. And the committee has always shown Oklahoma respect. The BCS showed OU lots of respect with 5 trips to the title game, even after a ccg loss.

If Oklahoma is ahead of Ohio St. Tuesday night, they will be in with a win in the ccg and a Georgia or Clemson loss. Ohio St. was ranked behind 2 loss LSU, G5 UCF and even behind Washington St. who had no significant wins, Utah being their only ranked opponent. The committee, prior to Saturday, had a pretty low opinion of Ohio St.

(11-25-2018 09:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  If Oklahoma is ahead of Ohio St. Tuesday night, they will be in with a win in the ccg and a Georgia or Clemson loss. Ohio St. was ranked behind 2 loss LSU, G5 UCF and even behind Washington St. who had no significant wins, Utah being their only ranked opponent. The committee, prior to Saturday, had a pretty low opinion of Ohio St.

Yes, but that opinion is likely to change pretty dramatically, because everyone is raving over OSU walloping Michigan. You are correct that OSU's defense has been itself very shaky, but when you win by 25 over #4 that gets overlooked in a way that OU's shaky D won't be.

I think Oklahoma will be #5 to OSU's #6 in this week's CFP, but i do not think this means OU will be guaranteed to finish ahead of OSU if they beat Texas. It will depend on how the CCG games unfold.

If OSU clobbers NW say 45-0 while OSU barely squeaks past Texas, expect OSU to jump OU in final CFP. If OU gains big revenge, clobbering Texas, while OSU puts in a Maryland-type performance vs NW, barely eeking by, then expect OU to get the final nod.

But style points will count greatly if both win.

Also, neither OU or OSU necessarily needs Alabama to beat Georgia. That would be great, but if Alabama loses, Alabama could fall behind either of them and out of the playoffs. Again, it will depend on how Alabama loses. If Alabama gets blown out, like Oklahoma did in 2003, then Alabama is gone. If Alabama loses in a squeaker, then Alabama likely remains in playoffs knocking both OU and OSU out (I am assuming Clemson and ND are locks, Clemson because there's no way they lose to Pitt).

Style points and MOV will count greatly in these scenarios.

(11-25-2018 10:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 09:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  If Oklahoma is ahead of Ohio St. Tuesday night, they will be in with a win in the ccg and a Georgia or Clemson loss. Ohio St. was ranked behind 2 loss LSU, G5 UCF and even behind Washington St. who had no significant wins, Utah being their only ranked opponent. The committee, prior to Saturday, had a pretty low opinion of Ohio St.

Yes, but that opinion is likely to change pretty dramatically, because everyone is raving over OSU walloping Michigan. You are correct that OSU's defense has been itself very shaky, but when you win by 25 over #4 that gets overlooked in a way that OU's shaky D won't be.

I think Oklahoma will be #5 to OSU's #6 in this week's CFP, but i do not think this means OU will be guaranteed to finish ahead of OSU if they beat Texas. It will depend on how the CCG games unfold.

If OSU clobbers NW say 45-0 while OSU barely squeaks past Texas, expect OSU to jump OU in final CFP. If OU gains big revenge, clobbering Texas, while OSU puts in a Maryland-type performance vs NW, barely eeking by, then expect OU to get the final nod.

But style points will count greatly if both win.

Also, neither OU or OSU necessarily needs Alabama to beat Georgia. That would be great, but if Alabama loses, Alabama could fall behind either of them and out of the playoffs. Again, it will depend on how Alabama loses. If Alabama gets blown out, like Oklahoma did in 2003, then Alabama is gone. If Alabama loses in a squeaker, then Alabama likely remains in playoffs knocking both OU and OSU out (I am assuming Clemson and ND are locks, Clemson because there's no way they lose to Pitt).

Style points and MOV will count greatly in these scenarios.

Georgia losing just makes it more certain there aren't two SEC teams in the group of 4. I think OU or Ohio St. jump Alabama if they lose the SEC ccg, but its not certain.

(11-25-2018 09:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Who watched the LSU-A&M game and what was that horrible noise one of the bands played every time A&M had the ball?

I didn't notice any sounds from the bands. Was A&M playing their fight song?

I only caught OT. It sounded like the entire band was snoring. It was horrible.

(11-25-2018 12:58 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 09:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Who watched the LSU-A&M game and what was that horrible noise one of the bands played every time A&M had the ball?

I didn't notice any sounds from the bands. Was A&M playing their fight song?

I only caught OT. It sounded like the entire band was snoring. It was horrible.

Referees just want to go home, too. They got the same pay for working overtime.

so regarding the committee and defense.... There are 5 coaches on the committee. Their average age is 71.2 and only Beamer coached this decade.

(11-25-2018 02:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so just looked, this was not only highest scoring FBS game ever, but also highest scoring D1 game ever- going back the NCAA said until at least 1937...

There was a D2 game higher scoring- Abilene Christian beat West Texas A&M 93-68 in 2008. Not really sure- but this could be the 2nd highest scoring game ever in NCAA football....

Georgia Tech 222, Cumberland 0 in the 1910s.

Don't ever .... EVER .... piss off John Heisman.

Bayou Classic:

Southern .... 38

Grambling .... 28


Southern not only wins the rivalry game but also the SWAC West title, and will face East champ Alcorn State on Saturday in the SWAC CCG (live on ESPNU).

The Bayou Classic was also the top-attended FCS game this season, drawing 67,000 to the Superdome.

(11-27-2018 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Bayou Classic was also the top-attended FCS game this season, drawing 67,000 to the Superdome.

Amazing.