(11-21-2018 02:11 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 02:01 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey keeps riding the wrong horse, did it with Graham and is doing it again with Childers. The time to change QB's was way back during the non-conference schedule when you could clearly see that Childers had not progressed at all from 2017. He started to nose-dive the last few games of 2017 and he continued that same play to start 2018. He should have been benched a long time ago.

I don't disagree, but that is the water under the bridge/split milk now. Do we have a QB on the bench that is better than Childers? I don't know and I don't know how anyone here could know that for sure. In addition to the recruiting, we don't seem to be able to coach up our QBs in recent years. Even Childers; he has had 3 years in the system and this is it? If this is Childers top end then we definitely need a change next year. I can't shake the sense that our coaches have not been able to coach up our QBs.

None of us will ever know because Carey gives no other QB an opportunity to play in games. He picks bad QBs and then sticks with them no matter what. Will a QB on the bench make mistakes because they have no experience? Probably. But how will we ever know if they are better until they get experience. Childers has 21 games of experiences and still isn't any good.

(11-21-2018 03:03 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 02:11 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 02:01 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey keeps riding the wrong horse, did it with Graham and is doing it again with Childers. The time to change QB's was way back during the non-conference schedule when you could clearly see that Childers had not progressed at all from 2017. He started to nose-dive the last few games of 2017 and he continued that same play to start 2018. He should have been benched a long time ago.

I don't disagree, but that is the water under the bridge/split milk now. Do we have a QB on the bench that is better than Childers? I don't know and I don't know how anyone here could know that for sure. In addition to the recruiting, we don't seem to be able to coach up our QBs in recent years. Even Childers; he has had 3 years in the system and this is it? If this is Childers top end then we definitely need a change next year. I can't shake the sense that our coaches have not been able to coach up our QBs.

None of us will ever know because Carey gives no other QB an opportunity to play in games. He picks bad QBs and then sticks with them no matter what. Will a QB on the bench make mistakes because they have no experience? Probably. But how will we ever know if they are better until they get experience. Childers has 21 games of experiences and still isn't any good.

All very true, and as I said with the recent history of bad decisions on the starting QB not having confidence the best QB is playing is legitimate. I don't know the process/criteria Carey has used for deciding starting QBs in the past, but he has certainly missed a lot. I just hope he has learned from the mistakes and has a true fair competition for the starting QB next year. Childers has been given every opportunity and then some; he is not our QB of the future and I am seeing Jiya Wright winning the job, despite his being a redshirt FR next year. .

(11-21-2018 03:20 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 03:03 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 02:11 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 02:01 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey keeps riding the wrong horse, did it with Graham and is doing it again with Childers. The time to change QB's was way back during the non-conference schedule when you could clearly see that Childers had not progressed at all from 2017. He started to nose-dive the last few games of 2017 and he continued that same play to start 2018. He should have been benched a long time ago.

I don't disagree, but that is the water under the bridge/split milk now. Do we have a QB on the bench that is better than Childers? I don't know and I don't know how anyone here could know that for sure. In addition to the recruiting, we don't seem to be able to coach up our QBs in recent years. Even Childers; he has had 3 years in the system and this is it? If this is Childers top end then we definitely need a change next year. I can't shake the sense that our coaches have not been able to coach up our QBs.

None of us will ever know because Carey gives no other QB an opportunity to play in games. He picks bad QBs and then sticks with them no matter what. Will a QB on the bench make mistakes because they have no experience? Probably. But how will we ever know if they are better until they get experience. Childers has 21 games of experiences and still isn't any good.

All very true, and as I said with the recent history of bad decisions on the starting QB not having confidence the best QB is playing is legitimate. I don't know the process/criteria Carey has used for deciding starting QBs in the past, but he has certainly missed a lot. I just hope he has learned from the mistakes and has a true fair competition for the starting QB next year. Childers has been given every opportunity and then some; he is not our QB of the future and I am seeing Jiya Wright winning the job, despite his being a redshirt FR next year. .

Does anyone know anything about Jiya’s Progression? How did he look in the summer?

(11-21-2018 12:06 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:45 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:22 AM)NILAW Wrote:  NIU1981, thanks for putting together the drive chart and your thoughts.

We had 262 yards of total offense and 14 points against a very bad WMU D. 1 TD was the 58-yard pass to Tears who was wide open due to blown coverage. Our secondary got lit up for 285 yards on 19 for 35 passing by a true freshman. Thus, a true freshman QB had more yards passing than we had in total offense.

Therefore, our O is as bad as it looks and our D secondary is struggling. We are limping into the MACC against likely Buffalo, with a good QB and defense. The only positive is that Buffalo's run defense gives up 180 yards a game.

This is a great post, 37% of our passing yards came on 1 play when a DB slipped leaving Tears completely uncovered. It magnifies the offensive struggles. The lack of a passing attack has a huge negative impact on the running game.
I truly feel bad for Childers. He is doing his absolute best, but it is simply not enough. Given his limitations as a passer, he must make plays with his legs, which for the most part, he has. He also must eliminate turnovers, which has not been the case. I don’t believe a QB change is the right move. Way too late in the season. Carey, to his credit, has had this kid's back throughout his career. He needs to ride this ship to the end of the season, and open it up for competition in the spring. Childers may turn things around the next two games. Criticizing Childers is fair, bashing him is not.

You are right; it is way to late in the season to make a QB change. Making a QB change now would be very gutsy and inconsistent with Carey's conservative nature. Carey has had Childers back, but one has to wonder if that has changed with the turnovers. We should have the answer if there is a true QB competition next spring. Bottom line is we have to go with Childers' strength; running, and he has run much better than earlier in the year. It was working last night and should work in the MACC if Buffalo (or whoever) focuses on taking away the Harbs middle running as WMU did successfully. I could see a heavy dose of zone reads plays and hope Childers makes the right decisions. Childers will have to pass some to keep the D honest, so go with his best and the safest routes; he seems to hit the out fairly well, and I would think play action off the zone read. Childers is what he is and he will be our QB for the MACC and bowl game; so develop a game plan to go with his strength.

Its not to late Now is the time CHANGE NOW
we have a great D bring in a qb that can give new look score points give D a break
WIN the MAC WIN the BOWL GAME
Follow the best WHAT would nick saben do ????
He pulled his started in the middle of the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

(11-21-2018 06:49 PM)closeby Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 12:06 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:45 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:22 AM)NILAW Wrote:  NIU1981, thanks for putting together the drive chart and your thoughts.

We had 262 yards of total offense and 14 points against a very bad WMU D. 1 TD was the 58-yard pass to Tears who was wide open due to blown coverage. Our secondary got lit up for 285 yards on 19 for 35 passing by a true freshman. Thus, a true freshman QB had more yards passing than we had in total offense.

Therefore, our O is as bad as it looks and our D secondary is struggling. We are limping into the MACC against likely Buffalo, with a good QB and defense. The only positive is that Buffalo's run defense gives up 180 yards a game.

This is a great post, 37% of our passing yards came on 1 play when a DB slipped leaving Tears completely uncovered. It magnifies the offensive struggles. The lack of a passing attack has a huge negative impact on the running game.
I truly feel bad for Childers. He is doing his absolute best, but it is simply not enough. Given his limitations as a passer, he must make plays with his legs, which for the most part, he has. He also must eliminate turnovers, which has not been the case. I don’t believe a QB change is the right move. Way too late in the season. Carey, to his credit, has had this kid's back throughout his career. He needs to ride this ship to the end of the season, and open it up for competition in the spring. Childers may turn things around the next two games. Criticizing Childers is fair, bashing him is not.

You are right; it is way to late in the season to make a QB change. Making a QB change now would be very gutsy and inconsistent with Carey's conservative nature. Carey has had Childers back, but one has to wonder if that has changed with the turnovers. We should have the answer if there is a true QB competition next spring. Bottom line is we have to go with Childers' strength; running, and he has run much better than earlier in the year. It was working last night and should work in the MACC if Buffalo (or whoever) focuses on taking away the Harbs middle running as WMU did successfully. I could see a heavy dose of zone reads plays and hope Childers makes the right decisions. Childers will have to pass some to keep the D honest, so go with his best and the safest routes; he seems to hit the out fairly well, and I would think play action off the zone read. Childers is what he is and he will be our QB for the MACC and bowl game; so develop a game plan to go with his strength.

Its not to late Now is the time CHANGE NOW
we have a great D bring in a qb that can give new look score points give D a break
WIN the MAC WIN the BOWL GAME
Follow the best WHAT would nick saben do ????
He pulled his started in the middle of the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

Have to remove Carey as coach for any real change. Problems plaguing NIU go way beyond Childers

(11-21-2018 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 06:49 PM)closeby Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 12:06 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:45 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:22 AM)NILAW Wrote:  NIU1981, thanks for putting together the drive chart and your thoughts.

We had 262 yards of total offense and 14 points against a very bad WMU D. 1 TD was the 58-yard pass to Tears who was wide open due to blown coverage. Our secondary got lit up for 285 yards on 19 for 35 passing by a true freshman. Thus, a true freshman QB had more yards passing than we had in total offense.

Therefore, our O is as bad as it looks and our D secondary is struggling. We are limping into the MACC against likely Buffalo, with a good QB and defense. The only positive is that Buffalo's run defense gives up 180 yards a game.

This is a great post, 37% of our passing yards came on 1 play when a DB slipped leaving Tears completely uncovered. It magnifies the offensive struggles. The lack of a passing attack has a huge negative impact on the running game.
I truly feel bad for Childers. He is doing his absolute best, but it is simply not enough. Given his limitations as a passer, he must make plays with his legs, which for the most part, he has. He also must eliminate turnovers, which has not been the case. I don’t believe a QB change is the right move. Way too late in the season. Carey, to his credit, has had this kid's back throughout his career. He needs to ride this ship to the end of the season, and open it up for competition in the spring. Childers may turn things around the next two games. Criticizing Childers is fair, bashing him is not.

You are right; it is way to late in the season to make a QB change. Making a QB change now would be very gutsy and inconsistent with Carey's conservative nature. Carey has had Childers back, but one has to wonder if that has changed with the turnovers. We should have the answer if there is a true QB competition next spring. Bottom line is we have to go with Childers' strength; running, and he has run much better than earlier in the year. It was working last night and should work in the MACC if Buffalo (or whoever) focuses on taking away the Harbs middle running as WMU did successfully. I could see a heavy dose of zone reads plays and hope Childers makes the right decisions. Childers will have to pass some to keep the D honest, so go with his best and the safest routes; he seems to hit the out fairly well, and I would think play action off the zone read. Childers is what he is and he will be our QB for the MACC and bowl game; so develop a game plan to go with his strength.

Its not to late Now is the time CHANGE NOW
we have a great D bring in a qb that can give new look score points give D a break
WIN the MAC WIN the BOWL GAME
Follow the best WHAT would nick saben do ????
He pulled his started in the middle of the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

Have to remove Carey as coach for any real change. Problems plaguing NIU go way beyond Childers

No offense your logic is way off. You think if we bring in a new coaching staff that Childers will all of a sudden have a rocket arm and pass better?

(11-21-2018 07:55 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 06:49 PM)closeby Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 12:06 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:45 AM)Djud Wrote:  This is a great post, 37% of our passing yards came on 1 play when a DB slipped leaving Tears completely uncovered. It magnifies the offensive struggles. The lack of a passing attack has a huge negative impact on the running game.
I truly feel bad for Childers. He is doing his absolute best, but it is simply not enough. Given his limitations as a passer, he must make plays with his legs, which for the most part, he has. He also must eliminate turnovers, which has not been the case. I don’t believe a QB change is the right move. Way too late in the season. Carey, to his credit, has had this kid's back throughout his career. He needs to ride this ship to the end of the season, and open it up for competition in the spring. Childers may turn things around the next two games. Criticizing Childers is fair, bashing him is not.

You are right; it is way to late in the season to make a QB change. Making a QB change now would be very gutsy and inconsistent with Carey's conservative nature. Carey has had Childers back, but one has to wonder if that has changed with the turnovers. We should have the answer if there is a true QB competition next spring. Bottom line is we have to go with Childers' strength; running, and he has run much better than earlier in the year. It was working last night and should work in the MACC if Buffalo (or whoever) focuses on taking away the Harbs middle running as WMU did successfully. I could see a heavy dose of zone reads plays and hope Childers makes the right decisions. Childers will have to pass some to keep the D honest, so go with his best and the safest routes; he seems to hit the out fairly well, and I would think play action off the zone read. Childers is what he is and he will be our QB for the MACC and bowl game; so develop a game plan to go with his strength.

Its not to late Now is the time CHANGE NOW
we have a great D bring in a qb that can give new look score points give D a break
WIN the MAC WIN the BOWL GAME
Follow the best WHAT would nick saben do ????
He pulled his started in the middle of the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

Have to remove Carey as coach for any real change. Problems plaguing NIU go way beyond Childers

No offense your logic is way off. You think if we bring in a new coaching staff that Childers will all of a sudden have a rocket arm and pass better?

Im saying its impossible to evaluate talent under the coach Rod Carey. We do not even know what we have in many of these players including Childers.

Exactly Joe. Slow release. Stares them down. As a runner not fast,not powerful. Can't coach that except the staring em down. Does have some redeeming qualities, solid feet, doesn't take direct hits

(11-21-2018 08:27 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Exactly Joe. Slow release. Stares them down. As a runner not fast,not powerful. Can't coach that except the staring em down. Does have some redeeming qualities, solid feet, doesn't take direct hits

Carey preaches a tentative, conservative, spineless philosophy that relies on opponents making mistakes to win while you sit back fat dumb and happy waiting for it to happen. Just take a look at Careys reaction when an opponent misses a FG. It's the only time he shows emotion and you would have thought NIU won the national championship. How about coaching to push the issue, how about running an offense designed to score points instead of ALWAYS waiting for your opponent to mess up. There is no doubt this lack of confidence in his players translates to on the field performance. You can go back to the Akron game as one of the few times NIU was more aggressive. Childers looked like a different player, confident, faster etc . 90 percent of NIUs problem lies with the man in charge. There is no way to sugar coat that

Hate to say it but Carey does come across as risk averse. Ecept for the occasional fake punt from your own end zone

I remember when Graham left the game (hurt or pulled) and Maddie came in. We had no idea how good he was and clearly showed that he should've been the starter all along. My point is there might be another Maddie but we just don't know because we don't really see any other QB throw during games.

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I’m not as down as the rest of you on Childers. I said it before the season and I’ve seen nothing to disprove it. This receiving group is the worst I have ever seen. I don’t think warren Moon would have much better stats with these guys as his targets. They are slow. They run non aggressive routes and they only catch what hits them in the hands and they even drip some of those.

(11-22-2018 02:57 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  I’m not as down as the rest of you on Childers. I said it before the season and I’ve seen nothing to disprove it. This receiving group is the worst I have ever seen. I don’t think warren Moon would have much better stats with these guys as his targets. They are slow. They run non aggressive routes and they only catch what hits them in the hands and they even drip some of those.

Here’s where I disagree with using the wrs to give Childers a reprieve. It’s not Childers job to catch the ball, just to throw it. He should just be making the throws as they’re called(within reason) and let the wrs succeed or fail. The problem is he is not doing that. Outside of a Hail Mary, there are no pass routes that take 4 seconds to develope. Childers is holding the ball that long because he can’t make the timing throws. I know the excuse is the receivers “aren’t open”. Eskridge was never “open” last game. It’s about ball placement. Take the deep balls to eleby- outside shoulder. Take the deep ball to tears- inside shoulder. There’s a reason wrs take an outside release on deep routes. It puts the dB to your inside.

Also, Tears and Wesley have had to develope under Childers. Do you expect wrs to become really good when they have to develope under a qb who can’t pass?

Also, there’s probably only 4 or 5 players faster than Wesley in the Mac.