You know what? Fine.

We begin bombing in five minutes.

(11-20-2018 01:06 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump signals US won't punish Saudi crown prince over Khashoggi killing

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politic...cnn.com%2F

lol....the only people who care about "Saint Khashoggi" are all in the US left wing media. Far worse happens there every day....but a media member gets killed and suddenly we are supposed to go to war over it. The media needs to grow up and return to actual journalism instead of just recopying the "Official Democrat Morning Talking Points E-mail Blast" and posting it as a "news story".....At least start listing Pelosi and Shiff as co-authors.

We dont need to do anything. Those things get handled in a different way over there. Mark my words---something will happen to that Saudi big shot within a year.

(11-20-2018 02:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 01:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We need to put sanctions on the Prince like we did to the Russians and Iranians. This is why we have countries and bad actors hate us because when someone that is an ally to us do the same exact thing that Iranians and others did? We turn a blind eye. Enough is enough. We can freeze the money the Prince have in the banks here and all over Europe.

Not worth it. I'm not willing to pay $5/gallon of gas because some foreigner might have been murdered.

I gassed up this morning and I paid $2.49 cents a gallon for Super Unleaded. I couldn't believe it, I kept looking at the pump in disbelief.

So what should be done Mensa? Tell us what should we do and explain why it should be done?

And then explain to me how Fast and Furious under Obama and Holder was ok...

(11-20-2018 05:24 PM)gdunn Wrote:  So what should be done Mensa? Tell us what should we do and explain why it should be done?

We should bomb them, and then protest that we bombed them.

Saddam in Iraq was our guy to go against Iran. Look how he turned out? This Prince is heading down the same path as Saddam. We sell both these clowns weapons, and they are turned on us. I bet this Prince supported the 9/11 attacks on us? I think the real bad guys are the SA. Their group also consist of ISIS and bin Laden's men. Even the leaders of the other terror groups that are supported by Iran condemned Sa's buddies.

(11-20-2018 05:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Even the leaders of the other terror groups that are supported by Iran condemned Sa's buddies.

That's rather faint praise.

How would the US punish the Saudi prince? I suppose we could ask him to be extradited, but on what grounds?


I think a bigger reason we have no credibility is that threads like this give people the impression that we have 'powers' that we don't have... and then when we don't, we look bad.

In theory we could put sanctions against a country for the acts of a citizen, but that's a pretty bad precedent to set.

(11-20-2018 06:11 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  How would the US punish the Saudi prince? I suppose we could ask him to be extradited, but on what grounds?
I think a bigger reason we have no credibility is that threads like this give people the impression that we have 'powers' that we don't have... and then when we don't, we look bad.
In theory we could put sanctions against a country for the acts of a citizen, but that's a pretty bad precedent to set.

I'd really like to know exactly what those who claim that we must do something would have us do? And on what jurisdictional grounds?

A Saudi citizen is killed by Saudis on what is technically Saudi soil, inside Turkey. Is it horrible? Absolutely, but this seems a matter for the Saudis and perhaps the Turks. Not our circus, not our monkeys.

(11-20-2018 05:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Saddam in Iraq was our guy to go against Iran. Look how he turned out? This Prince is heading down the same path as Saddam. We sell both these clowns weapons, and they are turned on us. I bet this Prince supported the 9/11 attacks on us? I think the real bad guys are the SA. Their group also consist of ISIS and bin Laden's men. Even the leaders of the other terror groups that are supported by Iran condemned Sa's buddies.

He was a teenager. So lets kill everyone over there?

We have no credibility because we put monied and strategic interests above human interests and in no place does that manifest itself more than in the Middle East.

(11-21-2018 07:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have no credibility because we put monied and strategic interests above human interests and in no place does that manifest itself more than in the Middle East.

Again - what would you suggest we do??

As was stated - A Saudi citizen offed by other Saudi's in another Muslim country (technically on Saudi soil).

What do suggest the United States do??????

Truthfully, we could probably look and find 30 countries where government operatives killed one of their citizens for whatever reason in the last week or two, but we ignore all that stuff.

In this case - it was a part time journalist and they can use it as a hammer against Trump..........the only reason the media and lefties care - they can use it politically.

(11-20-2018 01:16 PM)miko33 Wrote:  LOL, you don't know how this works. CNN trying to exploit gullible who actually believe that foreign affairs actually obey the rule of law. Every country in the world doesn't have covert ops groups because it's the cool thing to do. You either are lacking in history, critical thinking skills or you're intentionally acting obtuse.

Or it could be all three.

(11-20-2018 01:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We need to put sanctions on the Prince like we did to the Russians and Iranians. This is why we have countries and bad actors hate us because when someone that is an ally to us do the same exact thing that Iranians and others did? We turn a blind eye. Enough is enough. We can freeze the money the Prince have in the banks here and all over Europe.

Or we could send them pallets of cash like your boy sent to the Iranians. That's worked out nicely for all involved.

(11-20-2018 03:11 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 01:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 01:06 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump signals US won't punish Saudi crown prince over Khashoggi killing

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politic...cnn.com%2F

Trump has authority and jurisdiction over a murder in the SA Embassy in Turkey? Cool story bro thanks for sharing.

You do understand, the vast majority of Sunni Muslims despise the Saudi Royal Family and are looking to how we react to the brutal murder of a journalist... a journalist living in the US and whose children are US citizens.

Trump has the authority to demonstrate we will not stand for such brutal violations of basic human decency... yet, sadly, any moral direction from this POS would come across as overtly insincere.

So you want us to bomb the Saudi's?

(11-20-2018 05:05 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 05:01 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 05:00 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 04:58 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 04:51 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  The Republicans support terrorist. Sad
No wonder they couldn't kill bin laden. They wanted him alive.

Exactly how is this supporting a terrorist or terrorists?

Go ahead and sell them weapons so we can fight them at a later date.

Wut? We have the same enemies. The ones that want the Royal Family dead want us dead. Saudi Arabia isn't Afghanistan.

This is untrue. The citizens of Jordan... the citizens of Palestine.. the citizens of Lebanon... Turkey etc... despise the Saudi Royal family.

Nothing you said negates my original statement. In fact, what you stated has nothing to do with my original statement.

(11-20-2018 05:24 PM)gdunn Wrote:  So what should be done Mensa? Tell us what should we do and explain why it should be done?

And then explain to me how Fast and Furious under Obama and Holder was ok...

Crickets..

NPCs can't divert from the talking points path..

You do the same thing we’ve done to Iran for doing less.

Stop feigning indignation when Iran sows instability yet turn a blind eye when the Saudi’s do, and the Saudi’s are the breeders of Wahabbi sect of Islam responsible for the development and growth of Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

The Saudi’s prop up the terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Center.

The Saudi’s are a far more closed and oppressive regime than the Iranians we are currently sanctioning. Imagine if the Iranians had killed and dismembered an American journalist... and while Khashoggi wasnt a citizen, he lived here and raised his family as Americans.

(11-20-2018 10:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 06:11 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  How would the US punish the Saudi prince? I suppose we could ask him to be extradited, but on what grounds?
I think a bigger reason we have no credibility is that threads like this give people the impression that we have 'powers' that we don't have... and then when we don't, we look bad.
In theory we could put sanctions against a country for the acts of a citizen, but that's a pretty bad precedent to set.

I'd really like to know exactly what those who claim that we must do something would have us do? And on what jurisdictional grounds?

A Saudi citizen is killed by Saudis on what is technically Saudi soil, inside Turkey. Is it horrible? Absolutely, but this seems a matter for the Saudis and perhaps the Turks. Not our circus, not our monkeys.

I've offered my opinion on what I think we should do on multiple occasions in multiple threads.

(11-21-2018 09:30 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  You do the same thing we’ve done to Iran for doing less.

Stop feigning indignation when Iran sows instability yet turn a blind eye when the Saudi’s do, and the Saudi’s are the breeders of Wahabbi sect of Islam responsible for the development and growth of Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

The Saudi’s prop up the terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Center.

The Saudi’s are a far more closed and oppressive regime than the Iranians we are currently sanctioning. Imagine if the Iranians had killed and dismembered an American journalist... and while Khashoggi wasnt a citizen, he lived here and raised his family as Americans.

The Saudis don't do state sanctioned terrorism against the west.

Same reason we should have left Qaddaffi alone. He supported terrorism. Reagan bombed him and killed numerous family members. He quit supporting terrorism. Obama and Hillary got involved in their civil war and we have a failed state in Libya causing all kinds of problems.