(11-02-2018 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:27 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:13 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:04 AM)miko33 Wrote:  It's racist to assume that minorities are incapable of finding their polling place and/or obtaining a valid ID.

It hoops and barriers you are constructing. 13,000 people at one polling place and it's over a mile from a bus station! You don't see the problem here???? You don't see the governor in this race has ulterior motives.

My polling place is well over a mile from my home.

Well um you are not going to believe this but some po folk out there don’t have cars Miko and they rely on busses. It’s just another huge example. I was reading that Ari twitter. Michigan in 2016 threw out over 35,000 absentee ballots with no oversight. Trump won Michigan in a nail biter. Those 35000 could have flipped the state. It’s Republicans that can’t win without cheating. Total projection on your part.

All you are doing is making excuses. Anyone legal voter who wants to vote has more opportunity to vote now than any time in our history. My grandparents are 95 years old, can't drive, and live in the country. They are miles from the voting precinct yet still managed to vote in each election. If you want to vote you can find a way.

It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:27 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:13 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It hoops and barriers you are constructing. 13,000 people at one polling place and it's over a mile from a bus station! You don't see the problem here???? You don't see the governor in this race has ulterior motives.

My polling place is well over a mile from my home.

Well um you are not going to believe this but some po folk out there don’t have cars Miko and they rely on busses. It’s just another huge example. I was reading that Ari twitter. Michigan in 2016 threw out over 35,000 absentee ballots with no oversight. Trump won Michigan in a nail biter. Those 35000 could have flipped the state. It’s Republicans that can’t win without cheating. Total projection on your part.

All you are doing is making excuses. Anyone legal voter who wants to vote has more opportunity to vote now than any time in our history. My grandparents are 95 years old, can't drive, and live in the country. They are miles from the voting precinct yet still managed to vote in each election. If you want to vote you can find a way.

It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

(11-02-2018 08:58 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:27 AM)miko33 Wrote:  My polling place is well over a mile from my home.

Well um you are not going to believe this but some po folk out there don’t have cars Miko and they rely on busses. It’s just another huge example. I was reading that Ari twitter. Michigan in 2016 threw out over 35,000 absentee ballots with no oversight. Trump won Michigan in a nail biter. Those 35000 could have flipped the state. It’s Republicans that can’t win without cheating. Total projection on your part.

All you are doing is making excuses. Anyone legal voter who wants to vote has more opportunity to vote now than any time in our history. My grandparents are 95 years old, can't drive, and live in the country. They are miles from the voting precinct yet still managed to vote in each election. If you want to vote you can find a way.

It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

Anyone who has paid attention to the last 50 years knows what party those Southern democrats who opposed Civil Rights migrated to.

Hint:

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

it's much more important to gain access when bar is set that high....what a silly argument....if they wanted to vote, they could've done the same three yrs earlier....

(11-02-2018 09:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  it's much more important to gain access when bar is set that high....what a silly argument....if they wanted to vote, they could've done the same three yrs earlier....

I'm simply refuting the notion that everyone who is voting age has ID.

It's not true.

(11-02-2018 08:58 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:27 AM)miko33 Wrote:  My polling place is well over a mile from my home.

Well um you are not going to believe this but some po folk out there don’t have cars Miko and they rely on busses. It’s just another huge example. I was reading that Ari twitter. Michigan in 2016 threw out over 35,000 absentee ballots with no oversight. Trump won Michigan in a nail biter. Those 35000 could have flipped the state. It’s Republicans that can’t win without cheating. Total projection on your part.

All you are doing is making excuses. Anyone legal voter who wants to vote has more opportunity to vote now than any time in our history. My grandparents are 95 years old, can't drive, and live in the country. They are miles from the voting precinct yet still managed to vote in each election. If you want to vote you can find a way.

It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

Anyone who pays attention to the present or has watched the last 50 years unfold knows who is running racial strategies and trying to disenfranchise voters. Heck, the GOP scarcely denies it anymore. Are you prepared for the “caravan of invaders”? Have you checked to make sure your voter registration hasn’t been canceled for minor bureaucratic reasons? Have you checked to see if your local GOP leaders have closed or moved your polling place? Have you checked to see if your local GOP-led election board has rejected your mail-in ballot because they eyeballed the signature and didn’t think it was close enough? Only the most disingenuous person would claim the GOP isn’t actively trying to purge voter rolls, depress turnout, and disenfranchise voters, especially those in areas with high minority populations. The GOP motivates their base by demonizing minorities and uses their political offices to depress minority votes. They’ve been doing this for decades.

(11-02-2018 09:09 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:58 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Well um you are not going to believe this but some po folk out there don’t have cars Miko and they rely on busses. It’s just another huge example. I was reading that Ari twitter. Michigan in 2016 threw out over 35,000 absentee ballots with no oversight. Trump won Michigan in a nail biter. Those 35000 could have flipped the state. It’s Republicans that can’t win without cheating. Total projection on your part.

All you are doing is making excuses. Anyone legal voter who wants to vote has more opportunity to vote now than any time in our history. My grandparents are 95 years old, can't drive, and live in the country. They are miles from the voting precinct yet still managed to vote in each election. If you want to vote you can find a way.

It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

Anyone who pays attention to the present or has watched the last 50 years unfold knows who is running racial strategies and trying to disenfranchise voters. Heck, the GOP scarcely denies it anymore. Are you prepared for the “caravan of invaders”? Have you checked to make sure your voter registration hasn’t been canceled for minor bureaucratic reasons? Have you checked to see if your local GOP leaders have closed or moved your polling place? Have you checked to see if your local GOP-led election board has rejected your mail-in ballot because they eyeballed the signature and didn’t think it was close enough? Only the most disingenuous person would claim the GOP isn’t actively trying to purge voter rolls, depress turnout, and disenfranchise voters, especially those in areas with high minority populations. The GOP motivates their base by demonizing minorities and uses their political offices to depress minority votes. They’ve been doing this for decades.

Again, a load of crap. The election boards in this area are split evenly GOP and DNC. The democrats don't seem to want to ensure integrity of voters and seem to think all people are too dumb to follow the rules.

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So you were saying they were all women? Because at the age of 18 all men must register for Selective Service and they give you a card. You can use that to vote. Also. Pretty hard to go to college without Identification. And you get an ID card when you go to college. Also, unless they were illegal they had Social Security Cards.

(11-02-2018 08:58 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:27 AM)miko33 Wrote:  My polling place is well over a mile from my home.

Well um you are not going to believe this but some po folk out there don’t have cars Miko and they rely on busses. It’s just another huge example. I was reading that Ari twitter. Michigan in 2016 threw out over 35,000 absentee ballots with no oversight. Trump won Michigan in a nail biter. Those 35000 could have flipped the state. It’s Republicans that can’t win without cheating. Total projection on your part.

All you are doing is making excuses. Anyone legal voter who wants to vote has more opportunity to vote now than any time in our history. My grandparents are 95 years old, can't drive, and live in the country. They are miles from the voting precinct yet still managed to vote in each election. If you want to vote you can find a way.

It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

but it is now......... Speaking of history books. Maybe read a Chapter on Nixon's southern strategy..........

Educate thyself......

(11-02-2018 09:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 09:09 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:58 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  All you are doing is making excuses. Anyone legal voter who wants to vote has more opportunity to vote now than any time in our history. My grandparents are 95 years old, can't drive, and live in the country. They are miles from the voting precinct yet still managed to vote in each election. If you want to vote you can find a way.

It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

Anyone who pays attention to the present or has watched the last 50 years unfold knows who is running racial strategies and trying to disenfranchise voters. Heck, the GOP scarcely denies it anymore. Are you prepared for the “caravan of invaders”? Have you checked to make sure your voter registration hasn’t been canceled for minor bureaucratic reasons? Have you checked to see if your local GOP leaders have closed or moved your polling place? Have you checked to see if your local GOP-led election board has rejected your mail-in ballot because they eyeballed the signature and didn’t think it was close enough? Only the most disingenuous person would claim the GOP isn’t actively trying to purge voter rolls, depress turnout, and disenfranchise voters, especially those in areas with high minority populations. The GOP motivates their base by demonizing minorities and uses their political offices to depress minority votes. They’ve been doing this for decades.

Again, a load of crap. The election boards in this area are split evenly GOP and DNC. The democrats don't seem to want to ensure integrity of voters and seem to think all people are too dumb to follow the rules.

^^^^^^^

What's scary is this guy believes what he types............. Cult Trump at this time and they are drinking the kool aid.

(11-02-2018 09:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So you were saying they were all women? Because at the age of 18 all men must register for Selective Service and they give you a card. You can use that to vote. Also. Pretty hard to go to college without Identification. And you get an ID card when you go to college. Also, unless they were illegal they had Social Security Cards.

Many states do not accept the documents you are listing for voting purposes. Guess why? They’re intentionally making it harder to vote.

(11-02-2018 09:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:58 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Well um you are not going to believe this but some po folk out there don’t have cars Miko and they rely on busses. It’s just another huge example. I was reading that Ari twitter. Michigan in 2016 threw out over 35,000 absentee ballots with no oversight. Trump won Michigan in a nail biter. Those 35000 could have flipped the state. It’s Republicans that can’t win without cheating. Total projection on your part.

All you are doing is making excuses. Anyone legal voter who wants to vote has more opportunity to vote now than any time in our history. My grandparents are 95 years old, can't drive, and live in the country. They are miles from the voting precinct yet still managed to vote in each election. If you want to vote you can find a way.

It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

but it is now......... Speaking of history books. Maybe read a Chapter on Nixon's southern strategy..........

Educate thyself......

Maybe read a chapter on Johnson's comments regarding the "great society".

(11-02-2018 09:47 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 09:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 09:09 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:58 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

Anyone who pays attention to the present or has watched the last 50 years unfold knows who is running racial strategies and trying to disenfranchise voters. Heck, the GOP scarcely denies it anymore. Are you prepared for the “caravan of invaders”? Have you checked to make sure your voter registration hasn’t been canceled for minor bureaucratic reasons? Have you checked to see if your local GOP leaders have closed or moved your polling place? Have you checked to see if your local GOP-led election board has rejected your mail-in ballot because they eyeballed the signature and didn’t think it was close enough? Only the most disingenuous person would claim the GOP isn’t actively trying to purge voter rolls, depress turnout, and disenfranchise voters, especially those in areas with high minority populations. The GOP motivates their base by demonizing minorities and uses their political offices to depress minority votes. They’ve been doing this for decades.

Again, a load of crap. The election boards in this area are split evenly GOP and DNC. The democrats don't seem to want to ensure integrity of voters and seem to think all people are too dumb to follow the rules.

^^^^^^^

What's scary is this guy believes what he types............. Cult Trump at this time and they are drinking the kool aid.

What part is wrong Mach?

They will take NASCAR ticket stubs. NRA identification badges. Any CPAC Agenda , Susan B Anthony 501c membership card, or a hunting license.

(11-02-2018 10:00 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 09:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:58 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:41 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  All you are doing is making excuses. Anyone legal voter who wants to vote has more opportunity to vote now than any time in our history. My grandparents are 95 years old, can't drive, and live in the country. They are miles from the voting precinct yet still managed to vote in each election. If you want to vote you can find a way.

It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

but it is now......... Speaking of history books. Maybe read a Chapter on Nixon's southern strategy..........

Educate thyself......

Maybe read a chapter on Johnson's comments regarding the "great society".

LBJ knew when he signed the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act that he would give the right-wing an opening to appeal to racism as a regular political tactic. That’s exactly what Nixon did and what Republicans have done ever since. We’ve now reached the point where the GOP doesn’t hide it anymore. Now they advocate racist positions and just say it’s not racist to do so. What’s sad is seeing people who used to be reasonable and decent still support such filth.

(11-02-2018 09:53 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 09:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So you were saying they were all women? Because at the age of 18 all men must register for Selective Service and they give you a card. You can use that to vote. Also. Pretty hard to go to college without Identification. And you get an ID card when you go to college. Also, unless they were illegal they had Social Security Cards.

Many states do not accept the documents you are listing for voting purposes. Guess why? They’re intentionally making it harder to vote.

Which States? MS has one of the "most strict" voter ID laws supposedly and you can a free ID with the same Identification you use to register to vote.

The GOP motivates their base by demonizing minorities and uses their political offices to depress minority votes. They’ve been doing this for decades.

When you say that sentence is a load of crap. It's exactly what is going on and you believe it is not.

(11-02-2018 10:07 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 09:53 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 09:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So you were saying they were all women? Because at the age of 18 all men must register for Selective Service and they give you a card. You can use that to vote. Also. Pretty hard to go to college without Identification. And you get an ID card when you go to college. Also, unless they were illegal they had Social Security Cards.

Many states do not accept the documents you are listing for voting purposes. Guess why? They’re intentionally making it harder to vote.

Which States? MS has one of the "most strict" voter ID laws supposedly and you can a free ID with the same Identification you use to register to vote.

Michigan does not allow a Selective Service card to vote:

Quote:The following types of photo ID are acceptable:

-Michigan driver's license or state-issued ID card
-Driver's license or personal identification card issued by another state
-Federal or state government-issued photo identification
-U.S. passport
-Military ID with photo
-Student identification with photo from a high school or accredited institution of higher learning
-Tribal identification card with photo

https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-12...-F,00.html