Thanks all for your responses. We are now over 12 hours since my post/question and still haven't come up with a single sound football reason not to use a timeout in that scenario.

This is just more a sanity check for myself making sure I wasn't being hyper sensitive after the 2+ hour drive home, sitting there watch us fall behind by 12 and have to come back. I was thinking that maybe I had too much time to let this boil inside of me.

I am a pretty solid fan but by no means am a football expert but in the scenario just looking for something, anything that I was missing. Sometimes when things are so obvious, they really aren't obvious at all.

(10-14-2018 07:58 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:45 PM)7 Wrote:  My god you people are idiots

7, I always enjoy your analysis though I do not always agree with all of it. Why do you feel that Carey should not have been aggressive closing out the first half? Given the field position, time remaining and favorable wind conditions it seemed like a no brainer to me to try to score in that situation.

I openly questioned the move on twitter. He should have called a timeout. They then proceeded to go 3 and out anyways. It didn't matter.

Every coach in the country is questioned by their fans. I disagreed with him not calling a timeout.

They won. They're 4-0 in the league. To be 4-0 in the conference and having just beat Ohio and having a thread calling for Rod to be fired is insane though.

I think its possible he didn't realize the situation. My seat is right on top of the bench and when he realized Ohio was killing the clock he looked at the scoreboard and had an "oh crap" look on his face as if he missed it. I could be wrong but he and his top staff just weren't aware until it was too late.

Funny how Ohio ended up calling a TO once we got to 4th down after 24 seconds of offense. It turned out playing to our advantage so folks need to chill out and start looking for the good as hard as they're looking for the bad.

(10-14-2018 08:57 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:58 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:45 PM)7 Wrote:  My god you people are idiots

7, I always enjoy your analysis though I do not always agree with all of it. Why do you feel that Carey should not have been aggressive closing out the first half? Given the field position, time remaining and favorable wind conditions it seemed like a no brainer to me to try to score in that situation.

I openly questioned the move on twitter. He should have called a timeout. They then proceeded to go 3 and out anyways. It didn't matter.

Every coach in the country is questioned by their fans. I disagreed with him not calling a timeout.

They won. They're 4-0 in the league. To be 4-0 in the conference and having just beat Ohio and having a thread calling for Rod to be fired is insane though.

7, enjoy your take on things also.

As you point out, of course all coaches decisions are questioned. Should have run there, should have passed there etc.....

The difference here is that there is NO argument to support his decision to watch the clock run down. Getting the ball with a 1:00 left rather than :27 is a much different scenario for play calling too. And in a close game a FG is often the difference.

There isn’t a single D1 HC that wouldn’t have signaled TO there. None.

Not as bad as the 1st QTR fake punt vs Duke of course, but it’s up there.

(10-14-2018 09:23 AM)Big Redd Wrote:  I think its possible he didn't realize the situation. My seat is right on top of the bench and when he realized Ohio was killing the clock he looked at the scoreboard and had an "oh crap" look on his face as if he missed it. I could be wrong but he and his top staff just weren't aware until it was too late.

Funny how Ohio ended up calling a TO once we got to 4th down after 24 seconds of offense. It turned out playing to our advantage so folks need to chill out and start looking for the good as hard as they're looking for the bad.

Sorry Big Redd but there was an elderly woman and a 12 year old sitting nearby me and they knew to call TO. It was obvious.

(10-14-2018 09:24 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 08:57 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:58 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:45 PM)7 Wrote:  My god you people are idiots

7, I always enjoy your analysis though I do not always agree with all of it. Why do you feel that Carey should not have been aggressive closing out the first half? Given the field position, time remaining and favorable wind conditions it seemed like a no brainer to me to try to score in that situation.

I openly questioned the move on twitter. He should have called a timeout. They then proceeded to go 3 and out anyways. It didn't matter.

Every coach in the country is questioned by their fans. I disagreed with him not calling a timeout.

They won. They're 4-0 in the league. To be 4-0 in the conference and having just beat Ohio and having a thread calling for Rod to be fired is insane though.

7, enjoy your take on things also.

As you point out, of course all coaches decisions are questioned. Should have run there, should have passed there etc.....

The difference here is that there is NO argument to support his decision to watch the clock run down. Getting the ball with a 1:00 left rather than :27 is a much different scenario for play calling too. And in a close game a FG is often the difference.

There isn’t a single D1 HC that wouldn’t have signaled TO there. None.

Not as bad as the 1st QTR fake punt vs Duke of course, but it’s up there.

The fake punt at least had a decent strategy behind it. So I understood why they thought it could work. It was just where they were on the field when they called it that was a head scratcher.

If this was rods first clock management goof I could give him a brain fart pass. But his desire to get into the locker room instead of taking a shot is an issue.

They won the game and Carey has them in position for a great stretch run. But a goof this big must be called out. It’s equivalent to Childers throwing the ball to a defender with no Huskie within 15 yards. A mistake that big can’t be swep under the rug with - we still won the game.

(10-14-2018 09:24 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 08:57 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:58 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:45 PM)7 Wrote:  My god you people are idiots

7, I always enjoy your analysis though I do not always agree with all of it. Why do you feel that Carey should not have been aggressive closing out the first half? Given the field position, time remaining and favorable wind conditions it seemed like a no brainer to me to try to score in that situation.

I openly questioned the move on twitter. He should have called a timeout. They then proceeded to go 3 and out anyways. It didn't matter.

Every coach in the country is questioned by their fans. I disagreed with him not calling a timeout.

They won. They're 4-0 in the league. To be 4-0 in the conference and having just beat Ohio and having a thread calling for Rod to be fired is insane though.

7, enjoy your take on things also.

As you point out, of course all coaches decisions are questioned. Should have run there, should have passed there etc.....

The difference here is that there is NO argument to support his decision to watch the clock run down. Getting the ball with a 1:00 left rather than :27 is a much different scenario for play calling too. And in a close game a FG is often the difference.

There isn’t a single D1 HC that wouldn’t have signaled TO there. None.

Not as bad as the 1st QTR fake punt vs Duke of course, but it’s up there.

I don't disagree at all. I just think there's a line between "he made a bad decision" and "fire him."

(10-14-2018 08:57 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:58 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  [quote='7' pid='15579041' dateline='1539488723']
My god you people are idiots

7, I always enjoy your analysis though I do not always agree with all of it. Why do you feel that Carey should not have been aggressive closing out the first half? Given the field position, time remaining and favorable wind conditions it seemed like a no brainer to me to try to score in that situation.

I openly questioned the move on twitter. He should have called a timeout. They then proceeded to go 3 and out anyways. It didn't matter.

7, thanks for the response and more, thanks for somewhat agreeing as you questioned the move on twitter.

But---it did matter. Getting the ball at midfield with 1:05 AND two timeouts, you have much more at your disposal from your playbook than you have with 27 seconds left. Ok, it didn't matter, we won we are 4-0....with that I might as well take my wife to mall on a Saturday afternoon (or Wednesday night) and come home and look at the bottom line on ESPN to see the final score.

We all have the right to question coaches and that is why I posted the thread to begin with---I don't know as much as they do---and was (am still) searching for a sound football reason not to call time out in that situation.

If we were receiving the ball in the second half instead of kicking---good answer, but that wasn't the case.

If someone says that our punt returner hasn't dropped a punt all season and is due to drop one and have Ohio recover and you don't want them to have time----not a good answer.

Don't want to beat the dead horse as we won and you did question the call....I just don't get it. (and at some point we won't win a game like this)

You're never going to find a perfect coach. They're all going to make calls we disagree with.

Yeah...people thinking Carey didn't 'realize the situation' are being silly. he definitely realized it, but that has often and will probably continue to be his strategy. I didn't like it either, especially considering the wind. I'm actually fine with him calling a TO, and then on our first down play calling a more conservative play to just see if we can get anywhere.

But it's his style, get to half with a lead or a close game, make adjustments and then win the 2nd half...so it will still drive me crazy (especially when you have 3 TO's), but I also 'get it' with his style.

(10-14-2018 05:12 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:45 PM)7 Wrote:  My god you people are idiots

7-----I will certainly accept the idiot comment if you can please give one solid football reason that with the wind, potential field position, etc that a timeout wasn't used. I'm only searching for one.

And yet another factor that I left out in my first post---NIU was kicking off to start the second half and Ohio was getting the ball back down only 2.

I will retract my early request---I don't need STF to give me a good reason---I need ONE sane football fan/person to give me a good football reason.

Was thinking the same thing about the timeout. It was especially weird considering RC called a timeout at the end of the first quarter last week to force Ball State to kick into the wind.
The only thing I can think of is RC knows he’s a dumb*** and that his offense is garbage so he figured NIU would somehow crap themselves and Ohio would score.
The boos were justified and STF is a bozo too. Fire STF first. He’s worse than RC.

Tim Beckman singlehandedly gave NIU a game and ultimately the MAC West by not calling timeout on 4th and goal in 2011 on a day neither offense could be stopped. Then, got hired as Illini coach.

First off, we won the game...for a bunch of winners we sure do sound like whiners...

Second off, no coach is perfect, they all make mistakes... Pete Carroll should of ran with Marshawn Lynch...and Belichick should have started Malcolm Butler

Third, we are a MAC school with limited opportunities and an even tighter budget...for more reasons than one, our attendance has taken a dip...but we still go out and play against any team...win or lose... we come to play

If you want a school that constantly plays and beats the big boys, full seats, and the "perfect" coach who never makes on field mistakes... by all means, please check Alabama or Ohio State out

Till then, Rod and the gang of our misfits (too small or too slow kids every Power 5 school rejected) will be competing for the MAC and punching Power 5 schools in the mouth every chance they get...yes, I wish he would recruit QBs better and I wish he had more than 8 plays in his playbook...of course they aren't perfect...this is the Hard Way

+1 and amen.

The game mismanagement at the end of the second quarter was absolutely brutal. This is a recurring theme with Carey.

(10-14-2018 11:48 AM)pjfleck82 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 05:12 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:45 PM)7 Wrote:  My god you people are idiots

7-----I will certainly accept the idiot comment if you can please give one solid football reason that with the wind, potential field position, etc that a timeout wasn't used. I'm only searching for one.

And yet another factor that I left out in my first post---NIU was kicking off to start the second half and Ohio was getting the ball back down only 2.

I will retract my early request---I don't need STF to give me a good reason---I need ONE sane football fan/person to give me a good football reason.

Was thinking the same thing about the timeout. It was especially weird considering RC called a timeout at the end of the first quarter last week to force Ball State to kick into the wind.
The only thing I can think of is RC knows he’s a dumb*** and that his offense is garbage so he figured NIU would somehow crap themselves and Ohio would score.
The boos were justified and STF is a bozo too. Fire STF first. He’s worse than RC.

STF is nothing more than a glad handing politician. All “style” zero substance. If he was gone tomorrow his legacy would be upping the schedule and a freaking video board. Probably a few more thing but not many.

(10-14-2018 08:57 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:58 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:45 PM)7 Wrote:  My god you people are idiots

7, I always enjoy your analysis though I do not always agree with all of it. Why do you feel that Carey should not have been aggressive closing out the first half? Given the field position, time remaining and favorable wind conditions it seemed like a no brainer to me to try to score in that situation.

I openly questioned the move on twitter. He should have called a timeout. They then proceeded to go 3 and out anyways. It didn't matter.

Every coach in the country is questioned by their fans. I disagreed with him not calling a timeout.

They won. They're 4-0 in the league. To be 4-0 in the conference and having just beat Ohio and having a thread calling for Rod to be fired is insane though.

Carey's horrid clock management is to cover for his complete unwillingness to push the issue offensively at the end of a half. I cannot believe the defense is still out there giving a good effort when they have been leaned on this long. Can you imagine the train wreck this would be if not for this defense, I cannot even bring myself to imagine it.

(10-14-2018 01:50 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  First off, we won the game...for a bunch of winners we sure do sound like whiners...

Second off, no coach is perfect, they all make mistakes... Pete Carroll should of ran with Marshawn Lynch...and Belichick should have started Malcolm Butler

Third, we are a MAC school with limited opportunities and an even tighter budget...for more reasons than one, our attendance has taken a dip...but we still go out and play against any team...win or lose... we come to play

If you want a school that constantly plays and beats the big boys, full seats, and the "perfect" coach who never makes on field mistakes... by all means, please check Alabama or Ohio State out

Till then, Rod and the gang of our misfits (too small or too slow kids every Power 5 school rejected) will be competing for the MAC and punching Power 5 schools in the mouth every chance they get...yes, I wish he would recruit QBs better and I wish he had more than 8 plays in his playbook...of course they aren't perfect...this is the Hard Way

I don't think the Hard in Hard Way was intended to be making your life hard by self-inflicted wounds/mistakes.

I'll go whether they win or lose, and despite the occasional unbelievable playcall. Not calling the timeout was bad - but not as dumb as going for 2-pt conversion after you had the penalty pushing you back.

(10-14-2018 11:12 PM)62423dp Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 11:48 AM)pjfleck82 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 05:12 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:45 PM)7 Wrote:  My god you people are idiots

7-----I will certainly accept the idiot comment if you can please give one solid football reason that with the wind, potential field position, etc that a timeout wasn't used. I'm only searching for one.

And yet another factor that I left out in my first post---NIU was kicking off to start the second half and Ohio was getting the ball back down only 2.

I will retract my early request---I don't need STF to give me a good reason---I need ONE sane football fan/person to give me a good football reason.

Was thinking the same thing about the timeout. It was especially weird considering RC called a timeout at the end of the first quarter last week to force Ball State to kick into the wind.
The only thing I can think of is RC knows he’s a dumb*** and that his offense is garbage so he figured NIU would somehow crap themselves and Ohio would score.
The boos were justified and STF is a bozo too. Fire STF first. He’s worse than RC.

STF is nothing more than a glad handing politician. All “style” zero substance. If he was gone tomorrow his legacy would be upping the schedule and a freaking video board. Probably a few more thing but not many.

I agree that STF has not produced much in the way of moving the program forward. However NIU has faced financial adversity throughout his tenure. I am not sure how to fairly evaluate his performance under these conditions.