(10-11-2018 12:52 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 05:23 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 04:41 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 04:35 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 04:27 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Using "Massey's math", Appalachian State would lose to UCF, but beat the rest of you AAC and MWC clowns.

That accounting for road games? App has a good team not saying they wouldn't compete in those leagues but the MWC and AAC are quite a bit deeper top to bottom then the Sun Belt.

Ok, you got me. Massey said App would lose on the Smurf turf but beat Boise in Boone.

As for conference depth, I fail to see how the quality of Texas State or UConn has any relevance on how good App or USF may or may not be on the field. Last time I checked those teams all have different coaches and players.

It matters in the context of getting the NY6 slot which is really what this whole thread is about. What I was alluding to is that the American and Mountain West are deeper conferences than the Sun Belt, and a team that can run those slates is more deserving than App St. would be for running their remaining schedule. Crow all you want about UCF, USF, or UC being overrated, but ultimately they all have to play each other and earn their chance at the NY6 spot. Who does App St. still have that will register as a quality win? Maybe thats not a fair way to decide it. Maybe App is one of the 10 or 15 best teams in the country, as evidenced by their effort against PSU. Unfortunately we don't really have a way of knowing. Yall had your shot against Penn St. early in the year. Win that game and yall'd have been in the driver seat remainder of the way.

Is the AAC that much deeper, especially this year? UConn, ECU, Tulsa, Tulane, and SMU are all pretty bad this year. Even Navy and Temple aren't as good as they have been. Look what we did on the road at Arkansas State who went on the road to beat Tulsa by two scores. The Sun Belt does have 5 or 6 teams that aren't very good, but we have 3 or 4 good teams as well which is on par with most G5 leagues. I'd say the Sun Belt has proven it's no longer the doormat conference in FBS. Our OOC record against the other 5 leagues has been very good the past few years.

Do you really have to ask this? UConn and maybe Tulsa would be the only AAC teams that wouldn't go .500 on a Sun Belt schedule. Looking at the SBC collective non-conf wins, the top three wins would be this:

Coastal vs UAB (47-24)
Ark St. @ Tulsa (29-20)
Troy @ Nebraska (24-19)

To put it in other terms the SBC collective "resume" is one win against a winning fbs team, a win against the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the American, and a 5 point win against what might be the worst Nebraska team in history. Admittedly ECU, Tulane, and SMU are pretty mediocre but they would be no worse then middle of the pack Sun Belt teams. Navy is having a down year but would still give any SBC team fits. Meanwhile Temple, Memphis, USF, UCF, UC, and Houston would all be fighting for the 1 or 2 spot in the conference. Again none of that means App State isn't good but they don't have any resume building opportunities on the schedule. Penn State was the lone mark and yall couldn't get it done.

(10-11-2018 05:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 12:52 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 05:23 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 04:41 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 04:35 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  That accounting for road games? App has a good team not saying they wouldn't compete in those leagues but the MWC and AAC are quite a bit deeper top to bottom then the Sun Belt.

Ok, you got me. Massey said App would lose on the Smurf turf but beat Boise in Boone.

As for conference depth, I fail to see how the quality of Texas State or UConn has any relevance on how good App or USF may or may not be on the field. Last time I checked those teams all have different coaches and players.

It matters in the context of getting the NY6 slot which is really what this whole thread is about. What I was alluding to is that the American and Mountain West are deeper conferences than the Sun Belt, and a team that can run those slates is more deserving than App St. would be for running their remaining schedule. Crow all you want about UCF, USF, or UC being overrated, but ultimately they all have to play each other and earn their chance at the NY6 spot. Who does App St. still have that will register as a quality win? Maybe thats not a fair way to decide it. Maybe App is one of the 10 or 15 best teams in the country, as evidenced by their effort against PSU. Unfortunately we don't really have a way of knowing. Yall had your shot against Penn St. early in the year. Win that game and yall'd have been in the driver seat remainder of the way.

Is the AAC that much deeper, especially this year? UConn, ECU, Tulsa, Tulane, and SMU are all pretty bad this year. Even Navy and Temple aren't as good as they have been. Look what we did on the road at Arkansas State who went on the road to beat Tulsa by two scores. The Sun Belt does have 5 or 6 teams that aren't very good, but we have 3 or 4 good teams as well which is on par with most G5 leagues. I'd say the Sun Belt has proven it's no longer the doormat conference in FBS. Our OOC record against the other 5 leagues has been very good the past few years.

Do you really have to ask this? UConn and maybe Tulsa would be the only AAC teams that wouldn't go .500 on a Sun Belt schedule. Looking at the SBC collective non-conf wins, the top three wins would be this:

Coastal vs UAB (47-24)
Ark St. @ Tulsa (29-20)
Troy @ Nebraska (24-19)

To put it in other terms the SBC collective "resume" is one win against a winning fbs team, a win against the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the American, and a 5 point win against what might be the worst Nebraska team in history. Admittedly ECU, Tulane, and SMU are pretty mediocre but they would be no worse then middle of the pack Sun Belt teams. Navy is having a down year but would still give any SBC team fits. Meanwhile Temple, Memphis, USF, UCF, UC, and Houston would all be fighting for the 1 or 2 spot in the conference. Again none of that means App State isn't good but they don't have any resume building opportunities on the schedule. Penn State was the lone mark and yall couldn't get it done.

That same Tulsa team just self destructed and gave USF a lifeline

(10-13-2018 04:51 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 05:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 12:52 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 05:23 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 04:41 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Ok, you got me. Massey said App would lose on the Smurf turf but beat Boise in Boone.

As for conference depth, I fail to see how the quality of Texas State or UConn has any relevance on how good App or USF may or may not be on the field. Last time I checked those teams all have different coaches and players.

It matters in the context of getting the NY6 slot which is really what this whole thread is about. What I was alluding to is that the American and Mountain West are deeper conferences than the Sun Belt, and a team that can run those slates is more deserving than App St. would be for running their remaining schedule. Crow all you want about UCF, USF, or UC being overrated, but ultimately they all have to play each other and earn their chance at the NY6 spot. Who does App St. still have that will register as a quality win? Maybe thats not a fair way to decide it. Maybe App is one of the 10 or 15 best teams in the country, as evidenced by their effort against PSU. Unfortunately we don't really have a way of knowing. Yall had your shot against Penn St. early in the year. Win that game and yall'd have been in the driver seat remainder of the way.

Is the AAC that much deeper, especially this year? UConn, ECU, Tulsa, Tulane, and SMU are all pretty bad this year. Even Navy and Temple aren't as good as they have been. Look what we did on the road at Arkansas State who went on the road to beat Tulsa by two scores. The Sun Belt does have 5 or 6 teams that aren't very good, but we have 3 or 4 good teams as well which is on par with most G5 leagues. I'd say the Sun Belt has proven it's no longer the doormat conference in FBS. Our OOC record against the other 5 leagues has been very good the past few years.

Do you really have to ask this? UConn and maybe Tulsa would be the only AAC teams that wouldn't go .500 on a Sun Belt schedule. Looking at the SBC collective non-conf wins, the top three wins would be this:

Coastal vs UAB (47-24)
Ark St. @ Tulsa (29-20)
Troy @ Nebraska (24-19)

To put it in other terms the SBC collective "resume" is one win against a winning fbs team, a win against the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the American, and a 5 point win against what might be the worst Nebraska team in history. Admittedly ECU, Tulane, and SMU are pretty mediocre but they would be no worse then middle of the pack Sun Belt teams. Navy is having a down year but would still give any SBC team fits. Meanwhile Temple, Memphis, USF, UCF, UC, and Houston would all be fighting for the 1 or 2 spot in the conference. Again none of that means App State isn't good but they don't have any resume building opportunities on the schedule. Penn State was the lone mark and yall couldn't get it done.

That same Tulsa team just self destructed and gave USF a lifeline

They surprised me too last night. Played well enough to win the Sun Belt last night. Lol

But in all seriousness this has just been one of those crazy weeks in college football. A lot of almost upsets.

UCF almost blows it, now possibly a bad ND or Clemson choke and in. Projection:

1. Bama
2. OSU
3. Clemson
4. ND
5. LSU
6. UGA
7. UT
8. UCF

Then again, I think they need a lot of help still.

UCF isn’t even a top 20 team, let alone a top 10 team

(10-13-2018 11:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UCF isn’t even a top 20 team, let alone a top 10 team

I’m no UCF fan, but they’ve won 19 in a row. You’re allowed a close one now and then. They pulled it out. Good teams find a way.

(10-13-2018 11:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UCF isn’t even a top 20 team, let alone a top 10 team

I’m no UCF fan, but they’ve won 19 in a row. You’re allowed a close one now and then. They pulled it out. Good teams find a way.

They showed that if they had played a semi-challenging schedule they wouldn’t be undefeated.

Memphis isn’t that good of a team

(10-14-2018 12:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UCF isn’t even a top 20 team, let alone a top 10 team

I’m no UCF fan, but they’ve won 19 in a row. You’re allowed a close one now and then. They pulled it out. Good teams find a way.

They showed that if they had played a semi-challenging schedule they wouldn’t be undefeated.

Memphis isn’t that good of a team

Notre Dame was a 50/50 pass interference call from losing to Pitt. Top teams have close games with not so good teams.

If it was a pattern, they’d be USF. But they’re one offs. UCF is closer to Notre Dame than USF.

(10-14-2018 03:36 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 12:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UCF isn’t even a top 20 team, let alone a top 10 team

I’m no UCF fan, but they’ve won 19 in a row. You’re allowed a close one now and then. They pulled it out. Good teams find a way.

They showed that if they had played a semi-challenging schedule they wouldn’t be undefeated.

Memphis isn’t that good of a team

Notre Dame was a 50/50 pass interference call from losing to Pitt. Top teams have close games with not so good teams.

If it was a pattern, they’d be USF. But they’re one offs. UCF is closer to Notre Dame than USF.

We don't know that because, like USF and unlike Notre Dame, UCF hasn't beaten any good teams.

1 San Diego State 5-1
2 UCF 6-0
3. Appalachian State 4-1
4. USF 6-0
5. Cincinnati 6-0
6. Utah State 5-1
7. Houston 5-1
8. Boise State 4-2
9. Buffalo 6-1
10. Fresno State 5-1

UAB, North Texas, Hawaii, Georgia Southern, Troy

This would be my top 10 Access Bowl Race.

(10-08-2018 02:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  1. UCF
2. USF
3. Cincinnati
4. Houston (by virtue of having to beat one of the 3 above in a conf. champ game)
5. San Diego St.
6. Utah State
7. App St.
8. Hawaii
9. Fresno St.
10. North Texas

This was right last week, and continues to be right save Buffalo for Hawaii.

(10-14-2018 05:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 03:36 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 12:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UCF isn’t even a top 20 team, let alone a top 10 team

I’m no UCF fan, but they’ve won 19 in a row. You’re allowed a close one now and then. They pulled it out. Good teams find a way.

They showed that if they had played a semi-challenging schedule they wouldn’t be undefeated.

Memphis isn’t that good of a team

Notre Dame was a 50/50 pass interference call from losing to Pitt. Top teams have close games with not so good teams.

If it was a pattern, they’d be USF. But they’re one offs. UCF is closer to Notre Dame than USF.

We don't know that because, like USF and unlike Notre Dame, UCF hasn't beaten any good teams.

UCF just beat a very talented and dangerous Memphis team that's in a transition year. UCF proved that they still have the ability to go as far as necessary to beat a good team on the road in bad conditions. As Milton said good teams find a way to win those types of games.

(10-14-2018 05:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 03:36 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 12:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UCF isn’t even a top 20 team, let alone a top 10 team

I’m no UCF fan, but they’ve won 19 in a row. You’re allowed a close one now and then. They pulled it out. Good teams find a way.

They showed that if they had played a semi-challenging schedule they wouldn’t be undefeated.

Memphis isn’t that good of a team

Notre Dame was a 50/50 pass interference call from losing to Pitt. Top teams have close games with not so good teams.

If it was a pattern, they’d be USF. But they’re one offs. UCF is closer to Notre Dame than USF.

We don't know that because, like USF and unlike Notre Dame, UCF hasn't beaten any good teams.

Until they beat a very good team in the NY6.................... they returned most of their team and are pushing 20 straight wins....... if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, just call it what it is instead of making excuses.

(10-14-2018 07:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 05:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 03:36 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 12:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I’m no UCF fan, but they’ve won 19 in a row. You’re allowed a close one now and then. They pulled it out. Good teams find a way.

They showed that if they had played a semi-challenging schedule they wouldn’t be undefeated.

Memphis isn’t that good of a team

Notre Dame was a 50/50 pass interference call from losing to Pitt. Top teams have close games with not so good teams.

If it was a pattern, they’d be USF. But they’re one offs. UCF is closer to Notre Dame than USF.

We don't know that because, like USF and unlike Notre Dame, UCF hasn't beaten any good teams.

UCF just beat a very talented and dangerous Memphis team that's in a transition year. UCF proved that they still have the ability to go as far as necessary to beat a good team on the road in bad conditions. As Milton said good teams find a way to win those types of games.

You mean the dangerous and talented Memphis team is now 4-3, with three wins coming against South Alabama, UConn, and Mercer, and that lost to a Navy team that is 2-4, and got dominated by a Tulane team that is 1-4 against FBS? And yet Memphis probably wins if their lineman doesn't commit a false start that came with a 10 second runoff at the end?

Massey Composite has Memphis at #76. That sounds right, and sadly, that's about the *best* team UCF has played this year. Yes, great UCF "found a way" to beat Mighty Memphis.

(10-14-2018 10:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 05:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 03:36 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 12:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  They showed that if they had played a semi-challenging schedule they wouldn’t be undefeated.

Memphis isn’t that good of a team

Notre Dame was a 50/50 pass interference call from losing to Pitt. Top teams have close games with not so good teams.

If it was a pattern, they’d be USF. But they’re one offs. UCF is closer to Notre Dame than USF.

We don't know that because, like USF and unlike Notre Dame, UCF hasn't beaten any good teams.

UCF just beat a very talented and dangerous Memphis team that's in a transition year. UCF proved that they still have the ability to go as far as necessary to beat a good team on the road in bad conditions. As Milton said good teams find a way to win those types of games.

You mean the dangerous and talented Memphis team is now 4-3, with three wins coming against South Alabama, UConn, and Mercer, and that lost to a Navy team that is 2-4, and got dominated by a Tulane team that is 1-4 against FBS? And yet Memphis probably wins if their lineman doesn't commit a false start that came with a 10 second runoff at the end?

Massey Composite has Memphis at #76. That sounds right, and sadly, that's about the *best* team UCF has played this year. Yes, great UCF "found a way" to beat Mighty Memphis.

I wish I knew who you really rooted for because it dame sure isn't USF or their conference so that I could figure out where your psychosis originates from.

(10-14-2018 10:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 05:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 03:36 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 12:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  They showed that if they had played a semi-challenging schedule they wouldn’t be undefeated.

Memphis isn’t that good of a team

Notre Dame was a 50/50 pass interference call from losing to Pitt. Top teams have close games with not so good teams.

If it was a pattern, they’d be USF. But they’re one offs. UCF is closer to Notre Dame than USF.

We don't know that because, like USF and unlike Notre Dame, UCF hasn't beaten any good teams.

UCF just beat a very talented and dangerous Memphis team that's in a transition year. UCF proved that they still have the ability to go as far as necessary to beat a good team on the road in bad conditions. As Milton said good teams find a way to win those types of games.

You mean the dangerous and talented Memphis team is now 4-3, with three wins coming against South Alabama, UConn, and Mercer, and that lost to a Navy team that is 2-4, and got dominated by a Tulane team that is 1-4 against FBS? And yet Memphis probably wins if their lineman doesn't commit a false start that came with a 10 second runoff at the end?

Massey Composite has Memphis at #76. That sounds right, and sadly, that's about the *best* team UCF has played this year. Yes, great UCF "found a way" to beat Mighty Memphis.

Yes, that Memphis that is god-awful

Stop arguing, it's what they want.

(10-14-2018 11:47 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Stop arguing, it's what they want.

^^^^^GREAT ADVICE ^^^^^^^

Memphis has the best RB in college football. And a potent offense. They are tough at home.

(10-14-2018 11:19 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 10:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 05:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 03:36 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Notre Dame was a 50/50 pass interference call from losing to Pitt. Top teams have close games with not so good teams.

If it was a pattern, they’d be USF. But they’re one offs. UCF is closer to Notre Dame than USF.

We don't know that because, like USF and unlike Notre Dame, UCF hasn't beaten any good teams.

UCF just beat a very talented and dangerous Memphis team that's in a transition year. UCF proved that they still have the ability to go as far as necessary to beat a good team on the road in bad conditions. As Milton said good teams find a way to win those types of games.

You mean the dangerous and talented Memphis team is now 4-3, with three wins coming against South Alabama, UConn, and Mercer, and that lost to a Navy team that is 2-4, and got dominated by a Tulane team that is 1-4 against FBS? And yet Memphis probably wins if their lineman doesn't commit a false start that came with a 10 second runoff at the end?

Massey Composite has Memphis at #76. That sounds right, and sadly, that's about the *best* team UCF has played this year. Yes, great UCF "found a way" to beat Mighty Memphis.

I wish I knew who you really rooted for because it dame sure isn't USF or their conference so that I could figure out where your psychosis originates from.

Are you nuts? No true USF fan wants UCF to win anything or wants UCF to be regarded as having won anything.

You have a totally distorted view of what USF fans think like, because you visit the AAC board which is populated with some weird USF "fans" who actually support UCF's ridonculous national title claim in the name of "AAC solidarity". But no actual USF fan wants UCF to do anything but lose every single game they play, or wants UCF to ever be ranked, much less go to NY6 bowls or the playoffs.

Nor do I want anything good to happen for Memphis - except for you to beat UCF when you play them. Memphis is a USF rival should a P5 spot open up, so I don't want you guys to have any glory either.

Beyond that, though, everything I said about Memphis is correct, no matter what team I support. You guys are the #76 team in the country. It is is what it is.

Good Lord.