(10-10-2018 06:06 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-09-2018 06:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All hands on deck. First thing we need to do is to get (ahem) some people to actually admit it is existing. Raise CAFE standards. No more coal plant license renewals. A big one? Someone mentioned this before. Get fast food restaurants to voluntarily shut down their drive thrus. There’s a whole bunch of things we could be doing. You want to know another big one? If you turn on cold water with your warm you are wasting energy. You should just heat your water to the temp you shower at. If you want warmer water to do your dishes boil a pot of water and add that to your dish water...... that’s just off the top of my head.. do some research. Quit subsidizing fossil fuels.

All of what you propose above is analogous to putting band-aids on a sucking chest wound. That fact that the one real game changer to make a major dent in fossil fuel usage is ignored and/or avoided at all costs is what is really telling. You know what I speak of and you know damn well that our own gov't - even prior to Trump - did not nor does not take global warming seriously.

Are you referring to this fine fellow here:

(10-10-2018 08:09 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-09-2018 11:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-09-2018 10:45 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(10-09-2018 10:40 AM)miko33 Wrote:  However, IMHO I believe Ehrlich's concerns are warranted and we will eventually have a world where resources are too scarce to sustain the world population over the long term.

I think opposite. Agriculture has never been able to feed so many on so few acres. Alternative energy is a matter of when, not if. Land is easily reclaimed, dirty water / salt water can be made potable, disease is curable, technology is eliminating poverty etc etc.

We are at the dawn of a new age of luxury, not regression. We're probably only 200 years from colonists in space and maybe other planets. Humans are unbound, not bound.

I tend to agree with you and Ray Kurzwell. We are very close to break throughs that will take mankind to places almost unimaginable.

And yes...Im waiting on my flying car!!!

Well, since Kurzweil posits that by the year 2050 we will have all become a form of AI and will no longer rule our world I'll wait.

Think transhumanism: Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international philosophical movement that advocates for the transformation of the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies to greatly enhance human intellect and physiology.

Who wouldn't want the ability to litearlly plug your brain into a unlimited database of knowledge?

Sounds like Kurzweil would make a fabulous addition to "The Book of Predictions" if they ever re-print it. And for all the wrong reasons. We don't even have a programmatic way to express high level cognition. We literally lack the language to even express it. It's a hell of a chasm to bridge between a machine that operates on declarative absolutes and the human brain.

(10-10-2018 08:15 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 08:09 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-09-2018 11:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-09-2018 10:45 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(10-09-2018 10:40 AM)miko33 Wrote:  However, IMHO I believe Ehrlich's concerns are warranted and we will eventually have a world where resources are too scarce to sustain the world population over the long term.

I think opposite. Agriculture has never been able to feed so many on so few acres. Alternative energy is a matter of when, not if. Land is easily reclaimed, dirty water / salt water can be made potable, disease is curable, technology is eliminating poverty etc etc.

We are at the dawn of a new age of luxury, not regression. We're probably only 200 years from colonists in space and maybe other planets. Humans are unbound, not bound.

I tend to agree with you and Ray Kurzwell. We are very close to break throughs that will take mankind to places almost unimaginable.

And yes...Im waiting on my flying car!!!

Well, since Kurzweil posits that by the year 2050 we will have all become a form of AI and will no longer rule our world I'll wait.

Think transhumanism: Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international philosophical movement that advocates for the transformation of the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies to greatly enhance human intellect and physiology.

Who wouldn't want the ability to litearlly plug your brain into a unlimited database of knowledge?

Sounds like Kurzweil would make a fabulous addition to "The Book of Predictions" if they ever re-print it. And for all the wrong reasons. We don't even have a programmatic way to express high level cognition. We literally lack the language to even express it. It's a hell of a chasm to bridge between a machine that operates on declarative absolutes and the human brain.

I'm sure you're familiar with his bio so I wont attempt to argue the point except to say that he seems to have a pretty good grasp on the potential of future technology and events.

(10-10-2018 07:59 AM)miko33 Wrote:  My guess is if it ever scaled up that the salt would be buried. There are probably enough abandoned mines and wells that it could be stored there. Big caveat would be that wherever it is stored that the rock surrounding it be nonporous.

So I have some experience here.

A client of mine has salt as a byproduct and all they do is pile it up and work hard to control the water run off. They have told me clearly that it is too expensive to put the salt back in the empty mine ares.

For instance:

Remember a couple of years back I had the post wondering why Saudi Arabia was dumping oil on the already depressed market? At the time I thought they were getting out while the getting was good because Nuclear Fusion was on the horizon. Lockheed or General Dynamics was in on it. Put out a video I linked. I still believe that but then I think about all of the economies of state governments and our own government is TIED DIRECTLY to oil. Our economy and DOLLAR is a petro dollar. It collapses us I believe. That is the true reason you aren't getting off of fossil fuels. Same reason we won't go to autonomous vehicles. We are not ready for a Wall-E world.

(10-10-2018 08:58 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

Even McDonalds can't go through that much salt.

(10-10-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Remember a couple of years back I had the post wondering why Saudi Arabia was dumping oil on the already depressed market? At the time I thought they were getting out while the getting was good because Nuclear Fusion was on the horizon. Lockheed or General Dynamics was in on it. Put out a video I linked. I still believe that but then I think about all of the economies of state governments and our own government is TIED DIRECTLY to oil. Our economy and DOLLAR is a petro dollar. It collapses us I believe. That is the true reason you aren't getting off of fossil fuels. Same reason we won't go to autonomous vehicles. We are not ready for a Wall-E world.

They were doing it to try to break fracking ... to drive the cost of oil below the break even cost of fracking. This was because a few years ago Saudi crude was a fair amount cheaper than fracking crude. Now however, fracking is almost a wash with oil straight out of the Ghawar Superfield. The Saudis know without the US involved in the world to keep the oil flowing Iran will crush them and their "military" which finds life outside of air conditioning to be too difficult. Iranian sanctions though, which will escalate to catastrophic levels (secondary sanctions) on Nov 4th, will neuter the Iranians for them.

I dont know why this is even being talked about....

natural will fix this problem. It's the only fix because once you get to the point of more population than this earth can handle its way past the point of talking about cutting or reducing greenhouse gases or cutting back on anything.

I'm OK with that because lets be honest, those countries that are the biggest abusers will be the ones taking the largest hit when it comes to cutting down the population.

Sounds cold but its the only fix

(10-10-2018 08:10 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 06:06 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-09-2018 06:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All hands on deck. First thing we need to do is to get (ahem) some people to actually admit it is existing. Raise CAFE standards. No more coal plant license renewals. A big one? Someone mentioned this before. Get fast food restaurants to voluntarily shut down their drive thrus. There’s a whole bunch of things we could be doing. You want to know another big one? If you turn on cold water with your warm you are wasting energy. You should just heat your water to the temp you shower at. If you want warmer water to do your dishes boil a pot of water and add that to your dish water...... that’s just off the top of my head.. do some research. Quit subsidizing fossil fuels.

All of what you propose above is analogous to putting band-aids on a sucking chest wound. That fact that the one real game changer to make a major dent in fossil fuel usage is ignored and/or avoided at all costs is what is really telling. You know what I speak of and you know damn well that our own gov't - even prior to Trump - did not nor does not take global warming seriously.

Are you referring to this fine fellow here:

Yes I am.

(10-10-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Remember a couple of years back I had the post wondering why Saudi Arabia was dumping oil on the already depressed market? At the time I thought they were getting out while the getting was good because Nuclear Fusion was on the horizon. Lockheed or General Dynamics was in on it. Put out a video I linked. I still believe that but then I think about all of the economies of state governments and our own government is TIED DIRECTLY to oil. Our economy and DOLLAR is a petro dollar. It collapses us I believe. That is the true reason you aren't getting off of fossil fuels. Same reason we won't go to autonomous vehicles. We are not ready for a Wall-E world.

While you didn't explicitly state it, I find a few people will use this as one of their 'go to' talking points against building a current technology nuclear power plant. If we truly have only 12 years before substantial, unpredictable and dangerous forces on a global scale is unleashed on us...you don't wait until fusion is perfected for commercial use. Also, if this is truly a dire issue, you don't refuse to adapt simply because this is what our world is like today. Finally - you don't negotiate with other countries on hydrocarbon use - i.e. the U.S. and Europe make drastic cuts while China and India can increase fossil fuel usage all in the sake of fairness. If it's life or death, there is no negotiation. Everyone cuts back on a massive, global scale albeit in an intelligent way. That means building nuclear power plants on a global scale to bring online as fossil fuel power plans are taken off line.

Alas, I see ZERO urgency on this front...

(10-10-2018 12:43 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Remember a couple of years back I had the post wondering why Saudi Arabia was dumping oil on the already depressed market? At the time I thought they were getting out while the getting was good because Nuclear Fusion was on the horizon. Lockheed or General Dynamics was in on it. Put out a video I linked. I still believe that but then I think about all of the economies of state governments and our own government is TIED DIRECTLY to oil. Our economy and DOLLAR is a petro dollar. It collapses us I believe. That is the true reason you aren't getting off of fossil fuels. Same reason we won't go to autonomous vehicles. We are not ready for a Wall-E world.

While you didn't explicitly state it, I find a few people will use this as one of their 'go to' talking points against building a current technology nuclear power plant. If we truly have only 12 years before substantial, unpredictable and dangerous forces on a global scale is unleashed on us...you don't wait until fusion is perfected for commercial use. Also, if this is truly a dire issue, you don't refuse to adapt simply because this is what our world is like today. Finally - you don't negotiate with other countries on hydrocarbon use - i.e. the U.S. and Europe make drastic cuts while China and India can increase fossil fuel usage all in the sake of fairness. If it's life or death, there is no negotiation. Everyone cuts back on a massive, global scale albeit in an intelligent way. That means building nuclear power plants on a global scale to bring online as fossil fuel power plans are taken off line.

Alas, I see ZERO urgency on this front...

Agreed.

And, to have nuclear, we need to have a disposal site. Right now, we have used fuel rods sitting around, outside at operational and closed plants. The government worked on a permanent disposal site for years. And, who shut that down?

Harry Reid.

So, we have no place to put the waste. That was the promise of government to the utilities -- you build nuclear and we'll provide a disposal site.

Thanks Dems.

can we make nuclear fuel out of salt? can we pump ocean water into the desert and make a rainforest? can we walk to work without emitting C02? can each of us turn off every electrical thing in our lives... and go vegetarian... and plant a flower garden on our roofs? Can we limit ourselves to no kids... and confront everyone who drives a carbon burning car...and confront all breeders... Can we beg Obama to stop the rising of the seas? Can we put a cover over the arctic...to block out that hateful old suns rays.... and live off of snowflakes that land on the tip of our tongues?

if we only eat acorns that squirrels bury.... and only drink the dew off of wild flowers...can we stop global warming? This is Change you can believe in. let's do it!!!!


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By the way. it is 36 degrees at noon where I am at... and snowing.....

i'm not in favor of tampering around with no deserts. force the world to live with less if it comes to it. which is what it should be now. fix the price of food to a somewhat less than approximate real cost of it's value. if you're eating an avocado from chile, that sh... shouldn't be two for a dolla. and you're probably just going to throw it away anyway

(10-10-2018 01:24 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:43 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Remember a couple of years back I had the post wondering why Saudi Arabia was dumping oil on the already depressed market? At the time I thought they were getting out while the getting was good because Nuclear Fusion was on the horizon. Lockheed or General Dynamics was in on it. Put out a video I linked. I still believe that but then I think about all of the economies of state governments and our own government is TIED DIRECTLY to oil. Our economy and DOLLAR is a petro dollar. It collapses us I believe. That is the true reason you aren't getting off of fossil fuels. Same reason we won't go to autonomous vehicles. We are not ready for a Wall-E world.

While you didn't explicitly state it, I find a few people will use this as one of their 'go to' talking points against building a current technology nuclear power plant. If we truly have only 12 years before substantial, unpredictable and dangerous forces on a global scale is unleashed on us...you don't wait until fusion is perfected for commercial use. Also, if this is truly a dire issue, you don't refuse to adapt simply because this is what our world is like today. Finally - you don't negotiate with other countries on hydrocarbon use - i.e. the U.S. and Europe make drastic cuts while China and India can increase fossil fuel usage all in the sake of fairness. If it's life or death, there is no negotiation. Everyone cuts back on a massive, global scale albeit in an intelligent way. That means building nuclear power plants on a global scale to bring online as fossil fuel power plans are taken off line.

Alas, I see ZERO urgency on this front...

Agreed.

And, to have nuclear, we need to have a disposal site. Right now, we have used fuel rods sitting around, outside at operational and closed plants. The government worked on a permanent disposal site for years. And, who shut that down?

Harry Reid.

So, we have no place to put the waste. That was the promise of government to the utilities -- you build nuclear and we'll provide a disposal site.

Thanks Dems.

Let's bury spent nuclear rods in Chi Town...under that new Obama Presidential library....