(09-22-2018 06:01 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 05:58 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 05:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 05:48 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 05:41 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Dismantled? They’re picked to win the west. You didn’t honestly think they’d stay at the Jordan Lynch top 25 level did you? They’re a Mac team. Judge them as that. Carey is a Mac coach. Judge him as that

You are seriously happy with him? Do you feel he is the best coach for NIU? There is a reason NO P5 school looks at the guy.......

He's not a Joe Novak who was in the back 9 of a career when he got NIU.

No and no. If he’s a Mac level coach, where would he go? Conference USA? Just like if Childers had eligibility left and was available, no one outside of the mac would take him. We have a mac coach and a Mac qb. But we happen to also play in the mac. To get all appalled by expecting more is silly

I don't enjoy watching bad football. You obviously do. I think the goal for NIU football should be a top 25 finish and a New Years Day bowl game.

Remind me, what conference did Harnish and Lynch play for? Were they not MAC QBs?

They need to go back to an easier schedule and hire a competent coach. But I agree I could give 2 ***** about having Utah at home. Obviously nobody else did. Whst was the attendance for that game?

Easier schedule? FSU and Utah were gift wrapped wins against a legit MAC contender. Instead NIU is a middle of the road MAC team that will not win their division.

(09-22-2018 06:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:09 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:01 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 05:58 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  I don't enjoy watching bad football. You obviously do. I think the goal for NIU football should be a top 25 finish and a New Years Day bowl game.

Remind me, what conference did Harnish and Lynch play for? Were they not MAC QBs?

They need to go back to an easier schedule and hire a competent coach. But I agree I could give 2 ***** about having Utah at home. Obviously nobody else did. Whst was the attendance for that game?

One thing you cannot do is look at these games by themselves. NIU is coming off decade plus of doing its best to destroy its fanbase. One game is not going to magically turn that around unless there is major hype around it. Utah game probably drew 4000 more than it would have if it was another opponent. People who were at that Utah game (I know that's not you Frank) probably had a positive experience because it was the best atmosphere at Huskie Stadium in awhile. It was very loud at times.

I represent the mainstream majority. They only cared when we were winning double digits and ranked. They didnt show up for a ****** 1-2 team
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To be honest, better off without that type of s**t fan. No offense of course.

This is the dumbest post of the night. NIU needs every fan that they can get.

Even the best programs have fair weather fans, that is a huge part of any major sport. There were at least 10,000 empty seats at FSU today. Do you think those fans are saying that they don't need those fans?

(09-22-2018 06:01 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 05:58 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 05:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 05:48 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 05:41 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Dismantled? They’re picked to win the west. You didn’t honestly think they’d stay at the Jordan Lynch top 25 level did you? They’re a Mac team. Judge them as that. Carey is a Mac coach. Judge him as that

You are seriously happy with him? Do you feel he is the best coach for NIU? There is a reason NO P5 school looks at the guy.......

He's not a Joe Novak who was in the back 9 of a career when he got NIU.

No and no. If he’s a Mac level coach, where would he go? Conference USA? Just like if Childers had eligibility left and was available, no one outside of the mac would take him. We have a mac coach and a Mac qb. But we happen to also play in the mac. To get all appalled by expecting more is silly

I don't enjoy watching bad football. You obviously do. I think the goal for NIU football should be a top 25 finish and a New Years Day bowl game.

Remind me, what conference did Harnish and Lynch play for? Were they not MAC QBs?

They need to go back to an easier schedule and hire a competent coach. But I agree I could give 2 ***** about having Utah at home. Obviously nobody else did. Whst was the attendance for that game?

This schedule wasn't that bad. They had a chance to win every game with competent coaching. I feel every season needs a schedule like this to help support the program and fan interest. If they had played the Blue Hose or Tennessee Tech today I probably wouldn't have commented.

Coaching incompetency ex: Trick play on a 2 point conversation. Coach doesn't send right personal out but shows trick play. Moves 5 yards back and attempts exact play the defense just saw.

FSU gave up over 500 total yards to Samford and Syracuse ran for over 200 yards against them. Not to mention Syracuse was led by their backup QB that did nothing against Western Michigan. I guess people see what they want to see but I was not impresssed with NIU’s offense at all today. NIU had what, like 40 yards at halftime? And like 10 rushing yards for the game? The only reason they opened it up in the second was because they were down by multiple scores. Florida State turned the ball over four times and NIU still lost by three scores. Another bad loss.

(09-22-2018 08:33 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  FSU gave up over 500 total yards to Samford and Syracuse ran for over 200 yards against them. Not to mention Syracuse was led by their backup QB that did nothing against Western Michigan. I guess people see what they want to see but I was not impresssed with NIU’s offense at all today. NIU had what, like 40 yards at halftime? And like 10 rushing yards for the game? The only reason they opened it up in the second was because they were down by multiple scores. Florida State turned the ball over four times and NIU still lost by three scores. Another bad loss.

Normally I am not on board with your sky is falling outlook 100 percent of the time, but I agree the negatives far outweigh the positives offensively.

(09-22-2018 06:24 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:20 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  We are a well coached team.

I agree! Carey looks like he coaches from a well.

As I sit in my lesser hotel off 10 in Tallahassee I have time to reflect.

NIU had a chance to win today forcing turnovers, limiting their own. But in the end NIU didn’t make all the plays they needed too, didnt capitalize and better talent won out.

My other take is running a play near the goal with less than 20 seconds left in a 17 pt game when the other team has no timeouts is completely bush . There was no reason for it. It was a sign of desperation for fan approval by a coach who seems he may be out of his league. He would never do it vs an ACC team. If so, payback will be a bitc$ for him.

And can we find a kicker? Seriously.

I can't see FSU winning many games.
If we played that team in the Orange Bowl we would have won.

(09-22-2018 10:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:24 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:20 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  We are a well coached team.

I agree! Carey looks like he coaches from a well.

Lol. But in all seriousness my interest in this season has almost been completely lost. They could win the MAC and everyone in the nation would know they are just a “simple” MAC team. I will always watch, but gathering people to watch a game this year has been gone. My guess is we make our way through the Mac lose to only Toledo and Carey keeps his job. Repeat next year

He can’t win the games like today or Utah where EVER chance is given.

(09-22-2018 11:14 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 10:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:24 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:20 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  We are a well coached team.

I agree! Carey looks like he coaches from a well.

Lol. But in all seriousness my interest in this season has almost been completely lost. They could win the MAC and everyone in the nation would know they are just a “simple” MAC team. I will always watch, but gathering people to watch a game this year has been gone. My guess is we make our way through the Mac lose to only Toledo and Carey keeps his job. Repeat next year

He can’t win the games like today or Utah where EVER chance is given.

Same. My NIU crew has no interest in this team after this ooc.

(09-22-2018 11:25 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 11:14 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 10:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:24 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:20 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  We are a well coached team.

I agree! Carey looks like he coaches from a well.

Lol. But in all seriousness my interest in this season has almost been completely lost. They could win the MAC and everyone in the nation would know they are just a “simple” MAC team. I will always watch, but gathering people to watch a game this year has been gone. My guess is we make our way through the Mac lose to only Toledo and Carey keeps his job. Repeat next year

He can’t win the games like today or Utah where EVER chance is given.

Same. My NIU crew has no interest in this team after this ooc.

OKAAAY, but they are a simple team from the MAC. I ask this every year from the daydreamers with that 2012 hangover....why do the expect more from NIU than other teams from the MAC? Because you like them? Because Illinois is a hot bed of college football? Because NIU has the greatest campus, facilities and academics? Tell me why NIU should be more than what they are. Other than your college affiliation.

(09-22-2018 11:34 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 11:25 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 11:14 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 10:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:24 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  I agree! Carey looks like he coaches from a well.

:lmfao:

Lol. But in all seriousness my interest in this season has almost been completely lost. They could win the MAC and everyone in the nation would know they are just a “simple” MAC team. I will always watch, but gathering people to watch a game this year has been gone. My guess is we make our way through the Mac lose to only Toledo and Carey keeps his job. Repeat next year

He can’t win the games like today or Utah where EVER chance is given.

Same. My NIU crew has no interest in this team after this ooc.

OKAAAY, but they are a simple team from the MAC. I ask this every year from the daydreamers with that 2012 hangover....why do the expect more from NIU than other teams from the MAC? Because you like them? Because Illinois is a hot bed of college football? Because NIU has the greatest campus, facilities and academics? Tell me why NIU should be more than what they are. Other than your college affiliation.

NIU has had a track record of playing highly competitive football. (with a chip on their shoulder). It’s not about having a 2012 hangover. What’s frustrating is the number of missed opportunities. Novak knew how to coach to the strengths of his team. So did Kill, and Doeren. All of our coaches were great at maximizing the talent we had. Since Carey has taken over there’s been a decline in the quality of football we play. This year we will be a middle of the pack MAC Team which is not a good place to be. My question to you is why are you ok with them being mediocre at best? This team only shows fight on defense right now and at no other position.

What has anyone seen from this team to think we might win the MAC?
We have no offense, bad special teams (zero return game, bad FG kicking, snapping issues), and have poor coaching. We will be lucky to go 4-4 in MAC play.

I am on board with Carey should go. Wasting opportunity of building on NIU success. But I also see this a a return to the mean, average. How many schools have success, go to a major bowl and find ongoing success against P5 schools year after year? Yes a couple. But not that many. It is hard to make that next jump and then stay there. Am I frustrated? Yes. Should NIU do better? Sure. But I will still have interest since for some reason I would rather pay attention to a Mid major than watch the same 3 teams battle for the top of the BIG 12 every year. I show my age in ranting about how bad it was for NIU from mid 80s till Novak finally turned it around and that was quite a battle. I get NIU should not go that low again. But reality tells me NIU will not consistantly beat P5 schools. Maybe on special years but not consistantly. I would love to be proven wrong of course.

(09-23-2018 09:40 AM)MMBOANIU Wrote:  I am on board with Carey should go. Wasting opportunity of building on NIU success. But I also see this a a return to the mean, average. How many schools have success, go to a major bowl and find ongoing success against P5 schools year after year? Yes a couple. But not that many. It is hard to make that next jump and then stay there. Am I frustrated? Yes. Should NIU do better? Sure. But I will still have interest since for some reason I would rather pay attention to a Mid major than watch the same 3 teams battle for the top of the BIG 12 every year. I show my age in ranting about how bad it was for NIU from mid 80s till Novak finally turned it around and that was quite a battle. I get NIU should not go that low again. But reality tells me NIU will not consistantly beat P5 schools. Maybe on special years but not consistantly. I would love to be proven wrong of course.

This isn't even about beating P5 teams. Anyone watching this team can see we have fundamental flaws all over. We even looked like hot garbage against winless CMU. We lost to a 1-AA just two years ago and we consistently get blown out by any team with a pulse. The FSU game would have been even more lopsided if not for their four turnovers. We had 52 yards of offense in the ENTIRE first half. Even 1-AA Samford had 500+ yards of offense against them. This isn't one game here and one game there. This has become a trend. We are not a good team. We have a good defense but it doesn't mean we are a good team.

Here is Carey's post-game press conference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiIs5QT8qo0

He said anytime you win the turnover battle 4-0 you should win (I agree) but that we did not have enough offense; he said we did not have enough offense several times. OK that makes 4 games in a row where we did not have enough offense. So what will Carey do about the lack of offense? If the non-changes after the first 3 games is any indication the answer is nothing. Carey knows we do not have sufficient offense and he sticks with it! I want to believe that we will excel in MAC play, but with this lack of action how will we score enough?

(09-23-2018 11:06 AM)NILAW Wrote:  Here is Carey's post-game press conference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiIs5QT8qo0

He said anytime you win the turnover battle 4-0 you should win (I agree) but that we did not have enough offense; he said we did not have enough offense several times. OK that makes 4 games in a row where we did not have enough offense. So what will Carey do about the lack of offense? If the non-changes after the first 3 games is any indication the answer is nothing. Carey knows we do not have sufficient offense and he sticks with it! I want to believe that we will excel in MAC play, but with this lack of action how will we score enough?

By getting the ball more to our best playmaker: Harbison. Have him attack all the gaps. Get the double team going and Harbs can do the rest. Get him to the outside with an option pitch. Throw him a quick slip screen. Get him off tackle, throw him the screen. Get him running down hill. Throw the entire offensive playbook at him and find something that works. The dude will get us a lot of chunk yards. That will open up a lot of other things and Childers would be a more effective QB although he will still make you shake your head more times than you want...

(09-23-2018 11:11 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 11:06 AM)NILAW Wrote:  Here is Carey's post-game press conference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiIs5QT8qo0

He said anytime you win the turnover battle 4-0 you should win (I agree) but that we did not have enough offense; he said we did not have enough offense several times. OK that makes 4 games in a row where we did not have enough offense. So what will Carey do about the lack of offense? If the non-changes after the first 3 games is any indication the answer is nothing. Carey knows we do not have sufficient offense and he sticks with it! I want to believe that we will excel in MAC play, but with this lack of action how will we score enough?

By getting the ball more to our best playmaker: Harbison. Have him attack all the gaps. Get the double team going and Harbs can do the rest. Get him to the outside with an option pitch. Throw him a quick slip screen. Get him off tackle, throw him the screen. Get him running down hill. Throw the entire offensive playbook at him and find something that works. The dude will get us a lot of chunk yards. That will open up a lot of other things and Childers would be a more effective QB although he will still make you shake your head more times than you want...

I agree with getting Harbs more touches and more involved in the offense; I see him and Nettles being the 1-2 punch. More important is that you make the point that we have options. Will your suggestions work? Maybe or maybe not; I think it would at least be positive. Regardless, Carey and the OC get paid plenty to figure out how to improves the O production. Do something; don't keep doing the same &%$#@ things that you know does not make our O more productive! We have played against some good defenses; not that good considering Samford get more than twice as many yards as we did.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

(09-22-2018 11:34 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 11:25 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 11:14 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 10:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:24 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  I agree! Carey looks like he coaches from a well.

Lol. But in all seriousness my interest in this season has almost been completely lost. They could win the MAC and everyone in the nation would know they are just a “simple” MAC team. I will always watch, but gathering people to watch a game this year has been gone. My guess is we make our way through the Mac lose to only Toledo and Carey keeps his job. Repeat next year

He can’t win the games like today or Utah where EVER chance is given.

Same. My NIU crew has no interest in this team after this ooc.

OKAAAY, but they are a simple team from the MAC. I ask this every year from the daydreamers with that 2012 hangover....why do the expect more from NIU than other teams from the MAC? Because you like them? Because Illinois is a hot bed of college football? Because NIU has the greatest campus, facilities and academics? Tell me why NIU should be more than what they are. Other than your college affiliation.

No 2012 hangover. I know that season was one in a million and hell 2013 even more so because NIU was getting noticed from the start of the season & made it almost the whole year without a loss and then they **** the bed. Piggy backing off those seasons and even 2011/2010 NIU had VERY solid teams that played good fundamental football that would typically dominate the bad teams (CMU is a bad team almost didn't win & so is FSU this year) and win close ones against good teams and most of the time keep a close game with great teams. That is what I expect year in and year out from what was set before Carey.

I know there are going to be an occasional bad season here and there because injuries/graduations/transfers, it's college not the pros, but it is beyond that under Carey's watch.

The precedent was set and players were buying in from Novak/Kill & Doeren. Don't see the same anymore as Rod has been here longer and longer. I think a major issue is he doesn't seem to believe and is stubborn to change and that is a HUGE detriment to the team. He had the keys to a Cadillac and has turned it into a Suzuki imo. Hard to watch.