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(08-23-2018 09:45 AM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  Every coaching regime needs 3 years min to establish systems & appropriate talent for schemes. Anything less is unreasonable unless someone inherits an Alabama roster.

So if Lester goes 6-6, you'd be willing to give that a pass? I think if Lester gets anything less than 7 wins the season would be a gigantic failure

(08-23-2018 05:46 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 09:45 AM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  Every coaching regime needs 3 years min to establish systems & appropriate talent for schemes. Anything less is unreasonable unless someone inherits an Alabama roster.

So if Lester goes 6-6, you'd be willing to give that a pass? I think if Lester gets anything less than 7 wins the season would be a gigantic failure

I don’t see anything in my comment that says he gets any pass. Would you fire him and flip the coaching staff at 2 years following a 6-6? I too expect 7 wins min this year. But to be fair a coach needs to establish his system with at least some of his own players. How do you fully assess someone with the previous regimes parts?

https://csnbbs.com/thread-855780-post-15...id15444624

(08-23-2018 05:46 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 09:45 AM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  Every coaching regime needs 3 years min to establish systems & appropriate talent for schemes. Anything less is unreasonable unless someone inherits an Alabama roster.

So if Lester goes 6-6, you'd be willing to give that a pass? I think if Lester gets anything less than 7 wins the season would be a gigantic failure

Wait a minute. Did you not read beyond the Alabama sentence? It was clear that I was critical of Lester last season. Why would another disappointing season change that.
Nice edit here’s the rest:
So much is dependent on turnover and consistency at positions. It also generally requires an experienced QB to have a decent command of an offense & rapport with teammates. That said, Lester and staff were responsible for a couple losses last year, maybe that doesn’t happen with coaching turnover, matters not at this point.

They must improve on decision making, execution and preparedness. Things they have done well are continuing the successes in recruiting, maintaining a high character and academic program. Can’t wait for the upcoming season.

6-6 would be inexcusable. Unfortunately little Kathy can do if that happens.

(08-23-2018 09:00 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 08:51 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 09:44 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 09:11 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  I was unhappy with 3 of 4 Fleck years

I don't know... even though we didn't win the MAC, I thought 2015 was a pretty fun year. The MSU opener was a lot of fun and we were really competitive with them, we blew out half the MAC, beat CMU in a thriller, beat Toledo (ranked #24) on the road, and finished with our first bowl win in program history. Even in 2014, there was noticeable improvement and some really fun moments.

2015 was a big old disappointment. You could argue that 2014 was fun, especially since we were coming off of that horrible 2013 year, but 2015 was mostly highlighted by missed opportunities and failure to finish important games. Beating Toledo is always good, and the bowl win was nice as well, but those losses against BG and NIU were back breakers. We beat either of them and we're in the MACC but we couldn't finish the deal. honestly, it was reminiscent of Darnell and Cubit years. Get some good wins, have a fun exciting offense, but falter with the division on the line. Fortunately we got MTSU in the bowl game and were able to pull it out. That made things a little better.

The Ga. Southern loss stung really bad. Really, it was that Toledo win that turned it all around, that really launched us into 2016. That's the power of being able to win the big game; the confidence boost it gives lasts a long time.

The Northern Illinois loss in 2015 stung. I was so upset I couldn't fall asleep that night. Didn't even watch the Toledo game. .................After the NIU loss we didn't lose again to Wisconsin, but 2015 was let-down year.

The GA Southern loss didn't bother me as much because I knew they were pretty good with the triple option like Air Force.

After 2013, 2014 was really fun. Solid performances against Purdue and VA Tech (games we could've and should've won), the Ball St game, rolling in MAC play.........Fun times. Hoping 2018 Lester's 2nd year is similar to 2014 Fleck's 2nd year.

I keep seeing the word “preparedness” in a number of these posts. How do you judge lack of preparation? Because tackles are missed or we can’t stop someone’s running game, are those examples of lack of preparation? I remember a parent telling me, after we were buried by Country Day, that I hadn’t prepared the team to stop Shane Battier. I wanted to smack the guy in the mouth. The future Duke All-American and NBA star was too much, even for our help side double teams. Sure, we can see poor decision making on accepting/declining penalties, clock management and the like.... but preparedness? I’m not sure. Lester deserves his four years in the saddle. He needs the time to mature as a head coach. Be supportive.

(08-24-2018 07:32 PM)floridabronco Wrote:  I keep seeing the word “preparedness” in a number of these posts. How do you judge lack of preparation? Because tackles are missed or we can’t stop someone’s running game, are those examples of lack of preparation? I remember a parent telling me, after we were buried by Country Day, that I hadn’t prepared the team to stop Shane Battier. I wanted to smack the guy in the mouth. The future Duke All-American and NBA star was too much, even for our help side double teams. Sure, we can see poor decision making on accepting/declining penalties, clock management and the like.... but preparedness? I’m not sure. Lester deserves his four years in the saddle. He needs the time to mature as a head coach. Be supportive.

Easy. Good play calling on the coaching side, and execution on the players side.

One can be critical and supportive at the same time. Everyone on this board is supportive. That shouldn't even be a question.

(08-24-2018 07:32 PM)floridabronco Wrote:  I keep seeing the word “preparedness” in a number of these posts. How do you judge lack of preparation? Because tackles are missed or we can’t stop someone’s running game, are those examples of lack of preparation? I remember a parent telling me, after we were buried by Country Day, that I hadn’t prepared the team to stop Shane Battier. I wanted to smack the guy in the mouth. The future Duke All-American and NBA star was too much, even for our help side double teams. Sure, we can see poor decision making on accepting/declining penalties, clock management and the like.... but preparedness? I’m not sure. Lester deserves his four years in the saddle. He needs the time to mature as a head coach. Be supportive.

Did they look ready for that Akron game? They played like the field was still under water and there wasn’t a game happening. They played down to the competition and were still relatively healthy. No other explanation for how they came out.

I'm not sure about that. They outgained Akron 2-1 and both had 1 turnover. Huge edge in first downs and TOP too. Not sure that = sleepwalking. Not sure it means its 100% on the staff either, but I would lean that way given the weird red zone play calling.

I recall a game with many drives resulting in nothing. On paper Akron was overmatched and we had the backfield to roadgrade them. And the scoreboard and stat sheet reflected that. We didn’t execute and close out drives. It felt very much like a sluggish game despite our OL pushing them around and our RBs having their way.

(08-24-2018 09:30 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  I recall a game with many drives resulting in nothing. On paper Akron was overmatched and we had the backfield to roadgrade them. And the scoreboard and stat sheet reflected that. We didn’t execute and close out drives. It felt very much like a sluggish game despite our OL pushing them around and our RBs having their way.

Losing Bellamy in that game had a huge impact... he was unstoppable... then went down with his season ending injury... wind in the offense was over and the rest of the team got a bit deflated...

(08-24-2018 10:21 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 09:30 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  I recall a game with many drives resulting in nothing. On paper Akron was overmatched and we had the backfield to roadgrade them. And the scoreboard and stat sheet reflected that. We didn’t execute and close out drives. It felt very much like a sluggish game despite our OL pushing them around and our RBs having their way.

Losing Bellamy in that game had a huge impact... he was unstoppable... then went down with his season ending injury... wind in the offense was over and the rest of the team got a bit deflated...

Dude.. We doubled their offensive output. Losing Bellamy had a huge impact on the entire season but come on. We should have won that game, period.

Quote:+2 conservatively. Completely agree. I could make the argument for more, but won't waste my time since it's moot.

I would say it'd "easily" be +2, but it would pretty much stop there. With all our injuries and such, we wouldn't have been any better than 8-4 anyway. Especially with our QB coming to fruition, THEN going out for the season Soon after (wince).

Plus, remember this was a "different" team in many ways. We probably wouldn't have gotten that great D guy from Syracuse with PJ at the helm, and we had no senior QB + Star WR. It was a time of change for WMU no matter what. So from our experiences under PJ after his 1st year -- where we went 8-4 and 7-5 (pre bowls) -- I can't see us assumptively being better than that with so many injuries.

But yes, I do think it's safe to say we would have been better than 6-6.

(08-25-2018 04:50 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:+2 conservatively. Completely agree. I could make the argument for more, but won't waste my time since it's moot.

I would say it'd "easily" be +2, but it would pretty much stop there. With all our injuries and such, we wouldn't have been any better than 8-4 anyway. Especially with our QB coming to fruition, THEN going out for the season Soon after (wince).

Plus, remember this was a "different" team in many ways. We probably wouldn't have gotten that great D guy from Syracuse with PJ at the helm, and we had no senior QB + Star WR. It was a time of change for WMU no matter what. So from our experiences under PJ after his 1st year -- where we went 8-4 and 7-5 (pre bowls) -- I can't see us assumptively being better than that with so many injuries.

But yes, I do think it's safe to say we would have been better than 6-6.

ough oh Todds back!