The thing I love about the Trump tax records is how he is using it to send the left on a wild goose chase. Same thing with the tapes that don't exist.

Wouldn't surprise me if the rumors of the tapes started with Trump himself. Use your enemies. Make them do your dirty work. Allow them to make asses of themselves for you. And you don't even have to sully your hands.

Perfect strategy out of "The Art of War".

(07-18-2018 11:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 09:58 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 08:02 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 06:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 09:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I worry about the poor sap being poisoned.......

Ya know we kill people to. You think Putin is the only killer out there. Member that jewel from the stable genius?

Trump doesn't have a trail of bodies in his past. Now his opponent in the 2016 presidential election, that's another story.

I too believe nonsensical email chains.

Just coincidence all them deaths huh. Silly goose

Actually, yeah. Unless of course you think it’s more likely there is a large secretive group of people willing to kill for Clinton who have all kept quiet about dozens of murders for decades. I know you want it to be true, but really, be an adult and use some reason here.

Whatever you linked my phone won't pull up. Could be the firewall at the office. But looks like you linked Snopes?

I'm still waiting on someone to show me he must turn over his taxes.

(07-18-2018 01:57 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm still waiting on someone to show me he must turn over his taxes.

As soon as Obama releases his college records (foreign student), Clinton (both of them) releases their medical records (Bill has Syphilis and the Wicked Witch has serious brain damage), etc...

(07-18-2018 01:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 08:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You don’t want that 200.
They could get his tax records out though. Put in has something over him. That should be obvious by now.

There is this recurring theme that his tax records would somehow contain some sort of smoking gun. That's absurd on several levels.

One, exactly what would you expect to discover in those tax records? You're going to get his 1040, which is going to consist of a bunch of numbers pulled from K-1s from various partnerships, S-Corps, and LLC's in which his properties are operated. That will tell you exactly nothing. And as far as getting the underlying partnership, S-Corp, and LLC returns, which is where the action would be (if there is any) neither Trump nor the IRS can legally disclose them without the consent of every single partner/shareholder/member. So that's not happening. Do I know this because I claim to have seen Trump's returns? No. So how do I know it? Because that's the way any competent tax attorney or accountant would have set up his affairs, and I'm quite certain he has competent people doing that for him.

Two, corollary to one, how many politicians have disclosed tax records over the years? What is the most significant thing found in any of them? Not much of anything that I can recall. You're not going to find what you are looking for in tax returns, either because it doesn't exist, or because tax returns aren't the place where you would find it if it did exist.

Three, carrying this even further, how often do you think Trump and his organization get audited by the IRS? I'm guessing just about every year. He's a wealthy, high-visibility individual, operating in an industry where there are a lot of tax shelters. And I'm guessing those IRS auditors are a whole lot more skilled at finding indicia of probable concerns than is the typical person who would look at Trump's returns and say, "OMG, look what he was doing." I'm guessing that if there were any money laundering or other funny business going on, we would already know about it.

Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 08:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You don’t want that 200.
They could get his tax records out though. Put in has something over him. That should be obvious by now.

There is this recurring theme that his tax records would somehow contain some sort of smoking gun. That's absurd on several levels.

One, exactly what would you expect to discover in those tax records? You're going to get his 1040, which is going to consist of a bunch of numbers pulled from K-1s from various partnerships, S-Corps, and LLC's in which his properties are operated. That will tell you exactly nothing. And as far as getting the underlying partnership, S-Corp, and LLC returns, which is where the action would be (if there is any) neither Trump nor the IRS can legally disclose them without the consent of every single partner/shareholder/member. So that's not happening. Do I know this because I claim to have seen Trump's returns? No. So how do I know it? Because that's the way any competent tax attorney or accountant would have set up his affairs, and I'm quite certain he has competent people doing that for him.

Two, corollary to one, how many politicians have disclosed tax records over the years? What is the most significant thing found in any of them? Not much of anything that I can recall. You're not going to find what you are looking for in tax returns, either because it doesn't exist, or because tax returns aren't the place where you would find it if it did exist.

Three, carrying this even further, how often do you think Trump and his organization get audited by the IRS? I'm guessing just about every year. He's a wealthy, high-visibility individual, operating in an industry where there are a lot of tax shelters. And I'm guessing those IRS auditors are a whole lot more skilled at finding indicia of probable concerns than is the typical person who would look at Trump's returns and say, "OMG, look what he was doing." I'm guessing that if there were any money laundering or other funny business going on, we would already know about it.

Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

What fraud?

Also, the entire point of TRs is to show LOW income. Nobody wants to show high income levels on TRs. Heck, I've seen TRs from millionaires that show negative income on their TRs. A tax return in no way shape or form details a person's true financial condition.

(07-18-2018 01:56 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 11:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 09:58 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 08:02 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 06:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Trump doesn't have a trail of bodies in his past. Now his opponent in the 2016 presidential election, that's another story.

I too believe nonsensical email chains.

Just coincidence all them deaths huh. Silly goose

Actually, yeah. Unless of course you think it’s more likely there is a large secretive group of people willing to kill for Clinton who have all kept quiet about dozens of murders for decades. I know you want it to be true, but really, be an adult and use some reason here.

Whatever you linked my phone won't pull up. Could be the firewall at the office. But looks like you linked Snopes?

Yep, unless you want to cite a specific person.

(07-18-2018 02:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 08:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You don’t want that 200.
They could get his tax records out though. Put in has something over him. That should be obvious by now.

There is this recurring theme that his tax records would somehow contain some sort of smoking gun. That's absurd on several levels.

One, exactly what would you expect to discover in those tax records? You're going to get his 1040, which is going to consist of a bunch of numbers pulled from K-1s from various partnerships, S-Corps, and LLC's in which his properties are operated. That will tell you exactly nothing. And as far as getting the underlying partnership, S-Corp, and LLC returns, which is where the action would be (if there is any) neither Trump nor the IRS can legally disclose them without the consent of every single partner/shareholder/member. So that's not happening. Do I know this because I claim to have seen Trump's returns? No. So how do I know it? Because that's the way any competent tax attorney or accountant would have set up his affairs, and I'm quite certain he has competent people doing that for him.

Two, corollary to one, how many politicians have disclosed tax records over the years? What is the most significant thing found in any of them? Not much of anything that I can recall. You're not going to find what you are looking for in tax returns, either because it doesn't exist, or because tax returns aren't the place where you would find it if it did exist.

Three, carrying this even further, how often do you think Trump and his organization get audited by the IRS? I'm guessing just about every year. He's a wealthy, high-visibility individual, operating in an industry where there are a lot of tax shelters. And I'm guessing those IRS auditors are a whole lot more skilled at finding indicia of probable concerns than is the typical person who would look at Trump's returns and say, "OMG, look what he was doing." I'm guessing that if there were any money laundering or other funny business going on, we would already know about it.

Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

What fraud?

Also, the entire point of TRs is to show LOW income. Nobody wants to show high income levels on TRs. Heck, I've seen TRs from millionaires that show negative income on their TRs. A tax return in no way shape or form details a person's true financial condition.

Everything from self-dealing and illegal coordination with his campaign. Have you really not known about this? It was all over the place before the election.

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

I don't assume anything. I just think it's highly likely that any material problem would have been found. What exactly does "fraud-adjacent" mean, and to what actions are you referring with the use of that term?

(07-18-2018 02:27 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 08:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You don’t want that 200.
They could get his tax records out though. Put in has something over him. That should be obvious by now.

There is this recurring theme that his tax records would somehow contain some sort of smoking gun. That's absurd on several levels.

One, exactly what would you expect to discover in those tax records? You're going to get his 1040, which is going to consist of a bunch of numbers pulled from K-1s from various partnerships, S-Corps, and LLC's in which his properties are operated. That will tell you exactly nothing. And as far as getting the underlying partnership, S-Corp, and LLC returns, which is where the action would be (if there is any) neither Trump nor the IRS can legally disclose them without the consent of every single partner/shareholder/member. So that's not happening. Do I know this because I claim to have seen Trump's returns? No. So how do I know it? Because that's the way any competent tax attorney or accountant would have set up his affairs, and I'm quite certain he has competent people doing that for him.

Two, corollary to one, how many politicians have disclosed tax records over the years? What is the most significant thing found in any of them? Not much of anything that I can recall. You're not going to find what you are looking for in tax returns, either because it doesn't exist, or because tax returns aren't the place where you would find it if it did exist.

Three, carrying this even further, how often do you think Trump and his organization get audited by the IRS? I'm guessing just about every year. He's a wealthy, high-visibility individual, operating in an industry where there are a lot of tax shelters. And I'm guessing those IRS auditors are a whole lot more skilled at finding indicia of probable concerns than is the typical person who would look at Trump's returns and say, "OMG, look what he was doing." I'm guessing that if there were any money laundering or other funny business going on, we would already know about it.

Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

What fraud?

Also, the entire point of TRs is to show LOW income. Nobody wants to show high income levels on TRs. Heck, I've seen TRs from millionaires that show negative income on their TRs. A tax return in no way shape or form details a person's true financial condition.

Everything from self-dealing and illegal coordination with his campaign. Have you really not known about this? It was all over the place before the election.

Can't open the link. Was all of whatever that stuff was ever proven. or just hearsay?

(07-18-2018 02:27 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  What fraud?
Also, the entire point of TRs is to show LOW income. Nobody wants to show high income levels on TRs. Heck, I've seen TRs from millionaires that show negative income on their TRs. A tax return in no way shape or form details a person's true financial condition.

Everything from self-dealing and illegal coordination with his campaign. Have you really not known about this? It was all over the place before the election.

If the fraud and illegality is so rampant and obvious, what law enforcement agency jumped on this?

(07-18-2018 02:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

I don't assume anything. I just think it's highly likely that any material problem would have been found. What exactly does "fraud-adjacent" mean, and to what actions are you referring with the use of that term?

Here ya go!

Putting up a link to an alt-left site as proof. That's great satire, I mean, that's like putting up a link to a Scientology website as proof that anti-depressants are dangerous.

And to think, all of the goodwill I've helped generate on this board for UCF the past several months has been washed away....

(07-18-2018 02:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:27 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  What fraud?
Also, the entire point of TRs is to show LOW income. Nobody wants to show high income levels on TRs. Heck, I've seen TRs from millionaires that show negative income on their TRs. A tax return in no way shape or form details a person's true financial condition.

Everything from self-dealing and illegal coordination with his campaign. Have you really not known about this? It was all over the place before the election.

If the fraud and illegality is so rampant and obvious, what law enforcement agency jumped on this?

The NY AGs office. But seriously, you guys really hadn’t heard of this?

(07-18-2018 02:44 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Putting up a link to an alt-left site as proof. That's great satire. And to think, all of the goodwill I've helped generate on this board for UCF the past several months has been washed away....

Well, when you can’t deny facts, refuse to even be exposed to them I guess.

(07-18-2018 02:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

I don't assume anything. I just think it's highly likely that any material problem would have been found. What exactly does "fraud-adjacent" mean, and to what actions are you referring with the use of that term?

Here ya go!

The Atlantic. Lulz

(07-18-2018 02:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

I don't assume anything. I just think it's highly likely that any material problem would have been found. What exactly does "fraud-adjacent" mean, and to what actions are you referring with the use of that term?

Here ya go!

The Atlantic. Lulz

I would like to apologize to the rest of this board for the mewling embarrassment of this one particular UCF fan.

We aren't all like that, trust me. Most of us are good folks.

Now I got to repair everything from scratch. Geez.

(07-18-2018 02:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

I don't assume anything. I just think it's highly likely that any material problem would have been found. What exactly does "fraud-adjacent" mean, and to what actions are you referring with the use of that term?

Here ya go!

The Atlantic. Lulz

Really showing your colors here guys, no need to be afraid to read an article and come to a conclusion after the fact.

(07-18-2018 02:53 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

I don't assume anything. I just think it's highly likely that any material problem would have been found. What exactly does "fraud-adjacent" mean, and to what actions are you referring with the use of that term?

Here ya go!

The Atlantic. Lulz

I would like to apologize to the rest of this board for the mewling embarrassment of this one particular UCF fan.

We aren't all like that, trust me. Most of us are good folks.

Now I got to repair everything from scratch. Geez.

Well that seems like a rational response.

(07-18-2018 02:54 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Why would you assume that everything would have been picked up on? It’s clear at this point that there was absolutely fraud-adjacent activities taking place in his charities, and that seemed to go under the radar. Not to say I think that his tax return will show some shocking truth, I just find your certainty odd given the evidence we have showing otherwise in a pretty major way.

I don't assume anything. I just think it's highly likely that any material problem would have been found. What exactly does "fraud-adjacent" mean, and to what actions are you referring with the use of that term?

Here ya go!

The Atlantic. Lulz

Really showing your colors here guys, no need to be afraid to read an article and come to a conclusion after the fact.

Atlanticphobic. Lulz. Checks out