(07-14-2018 06:36 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 06:21 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:55 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:06 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 12:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  This is interesting

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/13/10-w...-campaign/

As I've said recently, there are obviously some explosive documents there, otherwise the DOJ would not still be refusing to hand over to congressional investigators what they've asked for, even under the threat of contempt charges.

That Trump has not declassifed them all, which he could easily do, tells me he's biding his time and waiting for the opportune moment......ie, giving them the rope they need to hang themselves.

Patience grasshoppers.

Yep. Trump's just smarter than most. When he does declassify it, the shiiit is gonna hit the proverbial fan...

We Cons can only hope. My question is does Trump really know what's in it? Or are you just guessing and hoping? If he does then you might be right.

Knows what's in it? He's the president of the United States. He can declassify any of those documents with the stroke of his pen. The fact that the FBI and DOJ are still dragging their feet delivering documents to congressional committees only plays into his hands. If he hasn't had the documents delivered to his office for his personal review, rest assured there's someone on the inside who has given him all the details he needs.

He's playing poker and knows EXACTLY what every hand at the table is holding. This is a bird's nest on the ground.

If he doesn't know we've got bigger problems than Russians.

(07-14-2018 05:08 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 11:11 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Priceless....

What surprised me was how insulted the Demons were that Gohmert would embarrass him like that. They couldn't believe how mean Gohmert was. That's a laugh. I wonder if they're still married or together. My wife wouldn't have put on some German spike boots and kicked me out of the house and deservedly so. The Demons have no scruples and hate the truth.

#WalkAway

Im no Strzok fan, but Gohmerts comment was utter chickenshit.

Olli, think back to when Trump tweeted, "Obama wiretapped me and my campaign".

That was so far out ahead of this entire story that most people thought he had gone stark raving mad. How many people laughed at him? Now they're down to playing word games......"he wasn't really wire tapped, they only interecepted his phone calls and read his emails".

The only explanation for that tweet so early-on is that he was looking at information that no one in the public had at that time.

(07-14-2018 06:36 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 06:21 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:55 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:06 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 12:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  This is interesting

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/13/10-w...-campaign/

As I've said recently, there are obviously some explosive documents there, otherwise the DOJ would not still be refusing to hand over to congressional investigators what they've asked for, even under the threat of contempt charges.

That Trump has not declassifed them all, which he could easily do, tells me he's biding his time and waiting for the opportune moment......ie, giving them the rope they need to hang themselves.

Patience grasshoppers.

Yep. Trump's just smarter than most. When he does declassify it, the shiiit is gonna hit the proverbial fan...

We Cons can only hope. My question is does Trump really know what's in it? Or are you just guessing and hoping? If he does then you might be right.

Knows what's in it? He's the president of the United States. He can declassify any of those documents with the stroke of his pen. The fact that the FBI and DOJ are still dragging their feet delivering documents to congressional committees only plays into his hands. If he hasn't had the documents delivered to his office for his personal review, rest assured there's someone on the inside who has given him all the details he needs.

He's playing poker and knows EXACTLY what every hand at the table is holding. This is a bird's nest on the ground.

I think there are two ways to look at this. If Trump is the feudal political Sun Tzu, his endgame is re-election in 2020. He pulled off 2016 by the slimmest of threads --- less than a Darrell Royal Longhorn stadium spread over three states is the difference.

His goal should be to maximize the political impact of the endgame, if positive.

I dont think the sealed files have the 'key' in them. If they did, he could literally destroy the Democratic Party *right now* in the same way Watergate destroyed the Republicans for 6 years.

If the end goal is not to expand his base and expand the impact of the Republicans *right now*, then the alternative is to literally milk the investigation out.

Trump derives an *enormous* amount of his support from victimhood. Not saying its good nor bad, but it is. Look how he gins up every aspect of the 'victim' -- all the way down to his war on the media.

The investigation is an enormous flywheel generating craploads of that angst --- pure ambrosia for him. Honestly, if I were him and I could not 'pin the tail on the Democrats' and destroy them with evidence, I would milk him being investigated for as long as I possibly could. All that does is make his 'hard' supporters all that more 'set' to him; *and* more likely to vote.

If there is proof positive of Demos finger on the 'collusion story' button, that button should be revealed prior to the midterms; that is the *best* way to hobble the Dems the hardest *and* for an extended period of time.

If that 'proof' doesnt exist, his best bet is to keep everything under wraps, dig in his heels, and make Mueller go for another year just to keep that political flywheel generating the angst he needs and wants.

(07-14-2018 07:03 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 06:36 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 06:21 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:55 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:06 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  As I've said recently, there are obviously some explosive documents there, otherwise the DOJ would not still be refusing to hand over to congressional investigators what they've asked for, even under the threat of contempt charges.

That Trump has not declassifed them all, which he could easily do, tells me he's biding his time and waiting for the opportune moment......ie, giving them the rope they need to hang themselves.

Patience grasshoppers.

Yep. Trump's just smarter than most. When he does declassify it, the shiiit is gonna hit the proverbial fan...

We Cons can only hope. My question is does Trump really know what's in it? Or are you just guessing and hoping? If he does then you might be right.

Knows what's in it? He's the president of the United States. He can declassify any of those documents with the stroke of his pen. The fact that the FBI and DOJ are still dragging their feet delivering documents to congressional committees only plays into his hands. If he hasn't had the documents delivered to his office for his personal review, rest assured there's someone on the inside who has given him all the details he needs.

He's playing poker and knows EXACTLY what every hand at the table is holding. This is a bird's nest on the ground.

I think there are two ways to look at this. If Trump is the feudal political Sun Tzu, his endgame is re-election in 2020. He pulled off 2016 by the slimmest of threads --- less than a Darrell Royal Longhorn stadium spread over three states is the difference.

His goal should be to maximize the political impact of the endgame, if positive.

I dont think the sealed files have the 'key' in them. If they did, he could literally destroy the Democratic Party *right now* in the same way Watergate destroyed the Republicans for 6 years.

If the end goal is not to expand his base and expand the impact of the Republicans *right now*, then the alternative is to literally milk the investigation out.

Trump derives an *enormous* amount of his support from victimhood. Not saying its good nor bad, but it is. Look how he gins up every aspect of the 'victim' -- all the way down to his war on the media.

The investigation is an enormous flywheel generating craploads of that angst --- pure ambrosia for him. Honestly, if I were him and I could not 'pin the tail on the Democrats' and destroy them with evidence, I would milk him being investigated for as long as I possibly could. All that does is make his 'hard' supporters all that more 'set' to him; *and* more likely to vote.

If there is proof positive of Demos finger on the 'collusion story' button, that button should be revealed prior to the midterms; that is the *best* way to hobble the Dems the hardest *and* for an extended period of time.

If that 'proof' doesnt exist, his best bet is to keep everything under wraps, dig in his heels, and make Mueller go for another year just to keep that political flywheel generating the angst he needs and wants.

Well, he's in the catbird seat, no? The economy is roaring along, blacks and hispanics are supporting Trump like they've supported no other non-dim national politician in forever, his own base is rock-solid behind him, and the dims are in total disarray with no other message other than, we're not Trump. Disclaimer: yes, I know, blacks are still overwhelming support dims, but as I've said, it won't take many percentage points change in many states to make a huge difference in whatever election.

Re-election is a long ways off and I suspect his ultimate goal is a second term.

At present, Trump doesn't need to destroy the dim party, they're doing that themselves without his help. He need only maintain the senate and the house in midterms, and then solidify a conservative supreme court. With that in mind, I suspect that whatever does come out before the midterms will be just enough to ensure holding both houses of congress.

I think he'll go nuclear, if he has that option, during the election cycle of 2020.

Senate I think is solid. I cant see Repubs losing net two here. Too many Dems in red states are a real bad map for Dem hopes.

Real issue will be the House. Been looking at the meta-polls for a while. I dont see more than a 40% chance of Repubs keeping house. But, a lot can happen in 3 mos.

And to Tech: I agree, Trump has a lot of things rolling. They need to hold.

And yes, I know that just a sliver of the African American vote looks like it is turning. But that can really significant. Typical AA votes for Dems are 92-95%. If trump can pull that down to 85%, it doesnt look like much. But it is *huge*. If the jobs numbers hold for two years, that *could* do it; the jobs recovery #s for AA are doing better than for any other group and that should be a big boost.

But the long and short is he still only eked out a win. And his overall negatives are still sky high. Tbh, I didnt vote for Trump, but there was no way I would vote for Hills. If the course he set out continues I could see voting for him; notwithstanding a very low personal opinion of him from me.

He can chart a way to victory in 2 years one of two ways: increase his base vote -- which will be hard to do. For example I know a *lot* of Repubs that did not vote for him, and I am in the minority still of that group in actually even considering to vote for him. I just dont see him as a natural 'broaden the base' candidate like Reagan did in '80, and even more so in '88.

The second is to harden his set-in base.

As I noted, if he has a chance to really blow the wheels off the Dems, I would think that nothing could be better than showing their fingers all over a fake rush to embroil him and bog down his Presidency. That is, while not at the illegality level, at the political bombshell level of a Watergate. Watergate *killed* the Republicans for 7 years; they were fked in '73 and never recovered until Reagan pieced them back together in '80. It was a near extinction level event. If he has hard proof, it really should be dealt now. In two years there is the potential that no one actually cares.

My call is if we dont see that nuke by October, it doesnt exist. This stuff is in a 'expires by' carton. If not and he has it, he should milk out the Mueller investigation not just to harden the base, but to extend out that time expiration on the material if it exists.

JMO of course.

I don't think Trump gives a damn about reelection or the Republicans.

(07-14-2018 11:01 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't think Trump gives a damn about reelection or the Republicans.

at this point, I disagree with the former........agree to the latter....

(07-14-2018 05:08 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 11:11 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Priceless....

What surprised me was how insulted the Demons were that Gohmert would embarrass him like that. They couldn't believe how mean Gohmert was. That's a laugh. I wonder if they're still married or together. My wife wouldn't have put on some German spike boots and kicked me out of the house and deservedly so. The Demons have no scruples and hate the truth.

#WalkAway

Lol.

This is getting expensive, but looks like I’m Strjoking another check.

Bravo good sir, bravo.

(07-14-2018 07:03 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 06:36 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 06:21 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:55 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:06 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  As I've said recently, there are obviously some explosive documents there, otherwise the DOJ would not still be refusing to hand over to congressional investigators what they've asked for, even under the threat of contempt charges.

That Trump has not declassifed them all, which he could easily do, tells me he's biding his time and waiting for the opportune moment......ie, giving them the rope they need to hang themselves.

Patience grasshoppers.

Yep. Trump's just smarter than most. When he does declassify it, the shiiit is gonna hit the proverbial fan...

We Cons can only hope. My question is does Trump really know what's in it? Or are you just guessing and hoping? If he does then you might be right.

Knows what's in it? He's the president of the United States. He can declassify any of those documents with the stroke of his pen. The fact that the FBI and DOJ are still dragging their feet delivering documents to congressional committees only plays into his hands. If he hasn't had the documents delivered to his office for his personal review, rest assured there's someone on the inside who has given him all the details he needs.

He's playing poker and knows EXACTLY what every hand at the table is holding. This is a bird's nest on the ground.

I think there are two ways to look at this. If Trump is the feudal political Sun Tzu, his endgame is re-election in 2020. He pulled off 2016 by the slimmest of threads --- less than a Darrell Royal Longhorn stadium spread over three states is the difference.

His goal should be to maximize the political impact of the endgame, if positive.

I dont think the sealed files have the 'key' in them. If they did, he could literally destroy the Democratic Party *right now* in the same way Watergate destroyed the Republicans for 6 years.

If the end goal is not to expand his base and expand the impact of the Republicans *right now*, then the alternative is to literally milk the investigation out.

Trump derives an *enormous* amount of his support from victimhood. Not saying its good nor bad, but it is. Look how he gins up every aspect of the 'victim' -- all the way down to his war on the media.

The investigation is an enormous flywheel generating craploads of that angst --- pure ambrosia for him. Honestly, if I were him and I could not 'pin the tail on the Democrats' and destroy them with evidence, I would milk him being investigated for as long as I possibly could. All that does is make his 'hard' supporters all that more 'set' to him; *and* more likely to vote.

If there is proof positive of Demos finger on the 'collusion story' button, that button should be revealed prior to the midterms; that is the *best* way to hobble the Dems the hardest *and* for an extended period of time.

If that 'proof' doesnt exist, his best bet is to keep everything under wraps, dig in his heels, and make Mueller go for another year just to keep that political flywheel generating the angst he needs and wants.

“Over three states.

True, they may well have been the difference. But those three states would be meaningless with out the 27 1/3 others that he carried, while the Cank carried fewer than 20.

Ouch.

40% of the States... That’ll leave a mark. Thankfully

Without those three states == Hillary president. You seemingly overlook that. They were the tip[ping point states in the win.

Wisconsin 10 EV 23,000
Michigan 16 EV 11,000
Pennsylvania 20 EV 44,000

46 EV by 74,000 votes.

Without that medium size football stadium population the EV would have been 273-258 the other way. Trump has to not just safeguard Florida, has to walk a pretty tight path to preserve those three states.

Funny that you seem to think that Presidential elections are determined by one state vote or that a state count is important. No 'ouch' involved.

Your 27 1/3 to 20 comparison is just as meaningless as the Dems *constant* bleating of beating Trump by 3 million votes -- 2 full percentage points. Ouchie there... and just as meaningless a comparison.

Also, look at the potential flip states for each:

Dems have a great shot at all of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania if an election were held today. In addition Arizona and Florida would be potential flips for them, another 40 EV bloc.

On the other side, Trump realistically has a chance at flipping NH, Nevada, Minnesota, and Maine. Virginia and Colorado are unobtainable for him. So *his* upside to a potential flip stands at a whopping 22.

He has a tough electoral map to deal with.

(07-15-2018 05:31 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 05:08 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 11:11 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Priceless....

What surprised me was how insulted the Demons were that Gohmert would embarrass him like that. They couldn't believe how mean Gohmert was. That's a laugh. I wonder if they're still married or together. My wife wouldn't have put on some German spike boots and kicked me out of the house and deservedly so. The Demons have no scruples and hate the truth.

#WalkAway

Lol.

This is getting expensive, but looks like I’m Strjoking another check.

Bravo good sir, bravo.

With all of the dims clutching their pearls over this, makes one wonder if they are going to Bork or Anita Hill Kavanaugh?

Gohmert doing this and their reaction gives the pubs a chance to throw that back in their faces. How dare they stoop so low?

Brilliant!