Houston just signed a 1:1 with Utah

(05-24-2018 12:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Some of you are delusional

Schools that aren't giving you a 1:1

UGA, Bama, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee
Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Oklahoma, Texas
Clemson, Notre Dame
USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA

And honestly those are just the obvious ones. There's tons of others asides from the bottom dwellers that won't either.

FWIW, USF's in the middle of a home and home with Wisconsin, who's slated to come to Tampa next year.

As for the OP, when you're the AD at a school, then you can tell other schools how to run their program. Until then, worry about your own program.

USFFan

(05-24-2018 02:41 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 02:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Navy's "home" games with ND are not actually played at home, are they?

They are not played in Navy Marine Corps Memorial Stadium.

We choose to play them in a larger venue in order to sell more tickets. We have for years spread them around to NFL stadia outside the immediate Annapolis area -played them in the Meadowlands when I was a mid. ND likes that as they keep all those "subway alumni" happy with more tickets available. Navy likes that for the money.

Cities bid on the chance to host, which means money in Navy's coffers - reporting from Jax was $4.5 million guaranteed gate. Any visitor's guarantee we give ND out of that is offset by our visitor's guarantee in odd numbered years.

Dublin in '12 was actually the SECOND Navy home game vs ND in Ireland.
Our scheduling is now limited to AAC, ND, Army, AF and only one other game to schedule. So recently, Navy's intent in selecting sites has been to regain a little bit of our "nationalness" that was lost to the more limited AAC schedule. Jax and SD are no-brainers; reports were Jax was 60-40 Navy in terms of crowd and I expect the same from SD - remember Navy outdrew SDSU in Poinsettia Bowls. That won't be true in the Meadowlands in 2020.

Make no mistake though, the scheduling contract between thte two institutions is a home-and-home and the even-numbered years are Navy home games for TV rights, ticket sales, etc. As evidenced by AAC now having those rights for 2020 and beyond as part of the inventory ('18 was an option year for CBS that I believe was picked up.)

Same with Ohio State in 09/14 - Navy chose to play the return game, our home game, in Baltimore. We have a GREAT relationship with Baltimore and the Ravens organization - they would love for ALL the ND games and as many Army-Navy's as they can get to be in M&T.

Thanks, great info.

Hopefully, one day Florida will be asking US for a home and home.

(05-24-2018 05:00 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 12:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Some of you are delusional

Schools that aren't giving you a 1:1

UGA, Bama, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee
Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Oklahoma, Texas
Clemson, Notre Dame
USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA

And honestly those are just the obvious ones. There's tons of others asides from the bottom dwellers that won't either.

FWIW, USF's in the middle of a home and home with Wisconsin, who's slated to come to Tampa next year.

As for the OP, when you're the AD at a school, then you can tell other schools how to run their program. Until then, worry about your own program.

USFFan

Yeah, I just don't get it. We get home/home's with Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, among others, and then we turn around and sign a 2 for 1 with Louisville, who was our conf. mate for 10 years. I just don't get it.

(05-24-2018 05:18 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 05:00 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 12:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Some of you are delusional

Schools that aren't giving you a 1:1

UGA, Bama, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee
Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Oklahoma, Texas
Clemson, Notre Dame
USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA

And honestly those are just the obvious ones. There's tons of others asides from the bottom dwellers that won't either.

FWIW, USF's in the middle of a home and home with Wisconsin, who's slated to come to Tampa next year.

As for the OP, when you're the AD at a school, then you can tell other schools how to run their program. Until then, worry about your own program.

USFFan

Yeah, I just don't get it. We get home/home's with Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, among others, and then we turn around and sign a 2 for 1 with Louisville, who was our conf. mate for 10 years. I just don't get it.

Yeah, the Louisville 2 for 1 is the only one I don't get on the surface. If you look at the financials, it's really a home and home plus a $1MM payday game. Not sure that makes it any better. Feels like there's more to the story, like a good faith show to Strong that we're collecting capital to build that football facility sooner rather than later. But if we're going to take a payday game, I'd rather it be for a name opponent instead of somebody we were just conference mates with a few years ago. Horrible optics.

USFFan

(05-24-2018 05:18 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 05:00 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 12:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Some of you are delusional

Schools that aren't giving you a 1:1

UGA, Bama, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee
Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Oklahoma, Texas
Clemson, Notre Dame
USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA

And honestly those are just the obvious ones. There's tons of others asides from the bottom dwellers that won't either.

FWIW, USF's in the middle of a home and home with Wisconsin, who's slated to come to Tampa next year.

As for the OP, when you're the AD at a school, then you can tell other schools how to run their program. Until then, worry about your own program.

USFFan

Yeah, I just don't get it. We get home/home's with Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, among others, and then we turn around and sign a 2 for 1 with Louisville, who was our conf. mate for 10 years. I just don't get it.

Agree 100% on this one... the LV 2-1 was idiotic... But I think there are 15 to 20 schools that are worth it... from our current position. But NOT the LV Cards... lol

Not all two-for-ones are created equal. Some are a good idea and some are a bad idea. The Bulls/Gators thing is a good idea for USF. And if they actually win one (more?) of the games, it will have been a great idea.

USF should win 2 of the 3 at least. Gators have been horrible and I don't think dan mullen with 50 losses in the last 10 years is going to be the change they need. In that sense it'll be a great signing for USF and the AAC.

(05-24-2018 01:17 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  At least USF is scheduling more than 1 P5 every year, in some cases 3.

*Looks at Memphis*

I like our scheduling.

1 P5
2 G5
1 FCS

allows Memphis the luxury of 7 home games most seasons which is quite nice.

(05-25-2018 10:13 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 01:17 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  At least USF is scheduling more than 1 P5 every year, in some cases 3.

*Looks at Memphis*

I like our scheduling.

1 P5
2 G5
1 FCS

allows Memphis the luxury of 7 home games most seasons which is quite nice.

Thats what we go for too. Or 2P5 1 G5

(05-25-2018 10:13 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 01:17 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  At least USF is scheduling more than 1 P5 every year, in some cases 3.

*Looks at Memphis*

I like our scheduling.

1 P5
2 G5
1 FCS

allows Memphis the luxury of 7 home games most seasons which is quite nice.

Not tough enough. Way to challenge yourself.

(05-23-2018 07:48 AM)Hymie Weiss Wrote:  Go join C-USA.

I wish the AAC members would vote in a league bylaw requiring that all football programs can only do 1:1s.

If we're going to call ourselves a power conference, our schools need to act like power programs.

USF giving Florida a 2:1....SAD!

This reads like a Donald Trump tweet lol

USF's problem is they are scheduling too many 2-for-1's. If they add may more, the only way to get enough OOC home games is going to be to add a second FCS team one or more seasons. Hard to sell tickets to those...plus you also get hammered even harder for SOS those years.

I don’t see the problem with a 2:1 with UF but I think this is a trend with usf and gives our conference a lower value. In a vacuum, nothing wrong with this one.

(05-25-2018 10:13 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 01:17 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  At least USF is scheduling more than 1 P5 every year, in some cases 3.

*Looks at Memphis*

I like our scheduling.

1 P5
2 G5
1 FCS

allows Memphis the luxury of 7 home games most seasons which is quite nice.

Not enough P6s.

UCF's stated yearly goal is seven home games.
However, the other half of UCF's scheduling philosophy makes that difficult because each season we want to play...
Two P6 (one home/one away as part of our home & home policy)
One G4 Home and home
One FCS Home

So, it is likely that every other year we will have to settle for six home games. I think that is a good scheduling philosophy (FOR NOW).

(05-25-2018 01:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  USF's problem is they are scheduling too many 2-for-1's. If they add may more, the only way to get enough OOC home games is going to be to add a second FCS team one or more seasons. Hard to sell tickets to those...plus you also get hammered even harder for SOS those years.

Well, I don't like 2 for 1's but the only truly questionable one signed was Louisville. The other 2 were Texas and Florida. And pretty much every AAC team would have to sign a 2 for 1 with those programs if they wanted to play them. UCF signed a 2:1 with Texas in the past, and would have to offer Florida a 2:1 to get them on the schedule also. Other than that, we've signed 1:1's with Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Illinois, NC State, and BYU. We got the first home game vs. Georgia Tech, BYU, and Illinois. And even our away game vs. Illinois is not even at their stadium, but at Soldier Field. We're still getting six or seven home games a year somehow.

(05-25-2018 02:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-25-2018 01:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  USF's problem is they are scheduling too many 2-for-1's. If they add may more, the only way to get enough OOC home games is going to be to add a second FCS team one or more seasons. Hard to sell tickets to those...plus you also get hammered even harder for SOS those years.

Well, I don't like 2 for 1's but the only truly questionable one signed was Louisville. The other 2 were Texas and Florida. And pretty much every AAC team would have to sign a 2 for 1 with those programs if they wanted to play them. UCF signed a 2:1 with Texas in the past, and would have to offer Florida a 2:1 to get them on the schedule also. Other than that, we've signed 1:1's with Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Illinois, and NC State. We got the first home game vs. Georgia Tech and Illinois. And even our away game vs. Illinois is not even at their stadium, but at Soldier Field. We're still getting six or seven home games a year somehow.

I don't disagree with any of that. I was just making a factual statement. Since G4 teams want an even home and home series with AAC schools, filling your schedule with multiple 2-for-1s (even against elite names) means that it is mathematically impossible to have six home OOC games every season unless TWO of those games in one or more seasons is against an FCS team (since they do not require a return game).

The only alternative to scheduling a second FCS team in one or more seasons is to play only five total home games those seasons.

(03-13-2018 10:44 AM)geef Wrote:  Let's face it...you ain't getting on Texas' schedule, unless you do a 2 for 1...period.

Blessing in disguise.

(05-24-2018 01:21 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 12:54 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 12:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Some of you are delusional

Schools that aren't giving you a 1:1

UGA, Bama, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee
Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Oklahoma, Texas
Clemson, Notre Dame
USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA

And honestly those are just the obvious ones. There's tons of others asides from the bottom dwellers that won't either.

Memphis played UCLA in a 1:1...didn't bother fact checking the rest.

Notre Dame plays Navy home and home, forever

Oregon and Washington have signed 1-1 with mwc teams.

I'm done just off the top of my head.

The truth is there are only a handful of teams who can reasonably demand two for ones. It's an exclusive list. Some people will say no to even those five or six teams and have good reason.

More people saying no to them is the only way to stop it this. When the A5 teams ooc is all little sisters of the poor and st.mary's college of the blind and it hurts their playoff bids it will change rapidly.

ND and Navy have played every year since 1927, except for 1942.

ND continues that series in gratitude for the U.S. Navy setting up an officer training center at ND during World War II and saving ND from having to close down.

At the time, ND was an all male school and its enrollment had seriously declined due to its student body volunteering and being drafted into the military.

So, ND promised to play Navy until such time as Navy says it doesn't want to any longer.

That long term home/home series is due to pretty unique circumstances.