(05-09-2018 02:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well...Well...Well.

So there is a special deal for Navy when they came over to the Big East/AAC as suspected.

Navy's home games are worth more to CBSSN than they are to other potential bidders for the whole package or first tier rights.
So the AAC makes this a la carte deal to get more money for these five games than they would add to the overall package.

It is an AAC deal, not a Navy deal.

AAC is being smart to maximize what all twelve schools get out of the presence of a bona fide national brand.

You're just not right.

It can't be an AAC deal (or a whole AAC Deal) because this contract is also for Basketball, Baseball and Lacrosse. Definitely need more details about this deal. It could be a setup like we have with Hawaii who has their own PPV deal and not part of the MW TV contract unless certain thresholds are met.

Have to wonder if this means the you are going to be extended with ESPN and Navy wants to have their own exposure along with Saturday games where they wouldn't be shown on the main ESPN channels.

(05-09-2018 02:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well...Well...Well.

So there is a special deal for Navy when they came over to the Big East/AAC as suspected.

Navy's home games are worth more to CBSSN than they are to other potential bidders for the whole package or first tier rights.
So the AAC makes this a la carte deal to get more money for these five games than they would add to the overall package.

It is an AAC deal, not a Navy deal.

AAC is being smart to maximize what all twelve schools get out of the presence of a bona fide national brand.

You're just not right.

It can't be an AAC deal (or a whole AAC Deal) because this contract is also for Basketball, Baseball and Lacrosse. Definitely need more details about this deal. It could be a setup like we have with Hawaii who has their own PPV deal and not part of the MW TV contract unless certain thresholds are met.

Have to wonder if this means the you are going to be extended with ESPN and Navy wants to have their own exposure along with Saturday games where they wouldn't be shown on the main ESPN channels.

I want to give you credit for not being stupid, but that does require me to believe you are being willfully obtuse.

"In addition to football, select Navy home athletic events, including basketball, baseball and lacrosse will be televised by the network."
Means
"In addition to the football contract with the AAC, Navy and CBS-SN have an additional deal to televise non-AAC sports"

Aresco was there because the CBSSN Navy Football deal was an AAC deal; Gladchuk was there because the other sports are a Navy deal.

Regardless of a special deal for the Navy-Army game, the league still benefits greatly from having them. I think the Navy-Army game is worth like $8 million per year, so it makes sense they keep that especially because they had leverage. Boise State never had leverage.

(05-09-2018 02:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Regardless of a special deal for the Navy-Army game, the league still benefits greatly from having them. I think the Navy-Army game is worth like $8 million per year, so it makes sense they keep that especially because they had leverage. Boise State never had leverage.

... I am hanging from a very thin thread.

(05-09-2018 03:04 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Regardless of a special deal for the Navy-Army game, the league still benefits greatly from having them. I think the Navy-Army game is worth like $8 million per year, so it makes sense they keep that especially because they had leverage. Boise State never had leverage.

... I am hanging from a very thin thread.

To me this is good news, that ND-Navy package is a BIG deal. think about it, you have Notre Dame on your package every other year. Aresco should feel confident.

i can't wait to hear what he says to the Navy Beat writer later on in the day or tomorrow

(05-09-2018 02:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well...Well...Well.

So there is a special deal for Navy when they came over to the Big East/AAC as suspected.

Navy's home games are worth more to CBSSN than they are to other potential bidders for the whole package or first tier rights.
So the AAC makes this a la carte deal to get more money for these five games than they would add to the overall package.

It is an AAC deal, not a Navy deal.

AAC is being smart to maximize what all twelve schools get out of the presence of a bona fide national brand.

You're just not right.

It can't be an AAC deal (or a whole AAC Deal) because this contract is also for Basketball, Baseball and Lacrosse. Definitely need more details about this deal. It could be a setup like we have with Hawaii who has their own PPV deal and not part of the MW TV contract unless certain thresholds are met.

Have to wonder if this means the you are going to be extended with ESPN and Navy wants to have their own exposure along with Saturday games where they wouldn't be shown on the main ESPN channels.

IDK. I kinda feel like slhNavy91 and gulfcoastgal. I think this is a signal to ESPN that the AAC is going to need to give away all of our content anymore to only have them sub license it away or bury on some regional espn+ channel. I also would like to think that this could mean that Aresco and CBS have a gentleman's agreement on some future conference content packages as long as they can have the Navy home games locked up now , and I truly believe that NBC would highly motivated to bid an AAC tier 1 package that would include an extra Notre Dame game every other season. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic though

(05-09-2018 03:09 PM)KnightLife Wrote:  To me this is good news, that ND-Navy package is a BIG deal. think about it, you have Notre Dame on your package every other year. Aresco should feel confident.

i can't wait to hear what he says to the Navy Beat writer later on in the day or tomorrow

Hey never thought of that way. So every other season the AAC package is a p5 package basically

(05-09-2018 03:04 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Regardless of a special deal for the Army-Navy game, the league still benefits greatly from having them. I think the Army-Navy game is worth like $8 million per year, so it makes sense they keep that especially because they had leverage. Boise State never had leverage.

... I am hanging from a very thin thread.

FIFY.

The head scratcher for me more than anything is the one member only early announcement... I just hope nothing $$% is been left on the table b/c of it.

(05-09-2018 03:26 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:04 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Regardless of a special deal for the Army-Navy game, the league still benefits greatly from having them. I think the Army-Navy game is worth like $8 million per year, so it makes sense they keep that especially because they had leverage. Boise State never had leverage.

... I am hanging from a very thin thread.

FIFY.

Navy is better...they go first

I told you so

(05-09-2018 03:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:26 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:04 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Regardless of a special deal for the Army-Navy game, the league still benefits greatly from having them. I think the Army-Navy game is worth like $8 million per year, so it makes sense they keep that especially because they had leverage. Boise State never had leverage.

... I am hanging from a very thin thread.

FIFY.

Navy is better...they go first

I don't disagree in the least about Navy. But the game is marketed as Army-Navy, not the other way round. Just sayin'

(05-09-2018 10:25 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 10:13 AM)STL_Wave Wrote:  CBS Sports here is totally separate than OTA CBS right? I wouldn't mind if Navy pulled a ND if it meant they played all/majority of their games on OTA CBS

Without knowing contract specifics, I'd assume that it would be much like the NBE contract with Fox sports where big Fox can pick up any game deem over the air worthy

Nope. The SEC has an exclusive deal with CBS OTA.

It's becoming clearer and clearer that the results of the next negotiation for our TV rights and the money involved will absolutely determine the future of this conference. If the meat isn't there in the deal, then a hodgepodge group of schools, while being a very good group of schools, might not see much of a benefit anymore to continuing this adventure.

I'd argue there is no more critical round of negotiations in college sports than this. This will define Aresco's legacy IMO.

(05-09-2018 03:29 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  The head scratcher for me more than anything is the one member only early announcement... I just hope nothing $$% is been left on the table b/c of it.

Navy's home rights outside out Army roll to the AAC at the end of the contract. The expectation was that they automatically went to ESPN which we now know was false. Hence, the early announcement and league needing to find a home for those games. The surprise to me, aside from not being included in the ESPN deal, is the length of the contract. I would have expected a shorter deal.

Can we stipulate a few things here?
- Navy's NMCMS home games, vs 4 AAC opponents and 1 FCS/G4 opponent each year, look to ESPN, FOX, NBC like they're worth MAXIMUM $2million per year. See my back of the envelope math on documented ratings/viewers in post #28.
- CBSSN places a higher value on these games than other bidders. This is because of their own history and branding, but also because they have a NEED to keep the Saturday 3:30 tentpole that they have made Navy games on CBSSN.
- Navy-ND game, every other year, is worth more than two year's worth of Navy NMCMS Home Games, looking at ratings alone, much less the name value of ND.
- The deal in question is an AAC deal for AAC inventory (the five Navy NMCMS home games); in addition, CBSSN also established a deal with Navy for other sports
- Maximizing the value of AAC Media rights will come about by having a multi-tiered deal - primary rights and second tier rights, probably in both basketball and football; some streaming separate revenue; third tier rights either in the conference or returned to schools.
- Army-Navy game (football game or the other 23 "Star Series" contests) is branded as "Army-Navy." Maybe it's alphabetical, maybe it's tradition. I capitalize Sailor in addition to Marine, and I still say Army-Navy.

Right - those are the pretty basic building blocks from which to discuss this, right? If you somehow have trouble with those basics, I will save time and energy by ignoring you.

So...If everyone is willing to do a multi-tiered deal, why are we arguing about having this little CBSSN-Navy tier? It maximizes the $$ value to the AAC of a teeny portion of inventory that CBSSN wants and values more than other potential bidders, while keeping the high value property of Navy-ND in the primary package where it will pull value from any/all bidders.
This is a deal which allows Aresco to extract specific above-market value from these five games per year - probably much greater value than any marginal value of these games being in the primary.

(05-09-2018 03:52 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:26 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:04 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Regardless of a special deal for the Army-Navy game, the league still benefits greatly from having them. I think the Army-Navy game is worth like $8 million per year, so it makes sense they keep that especially because they had leverage. Boise State never had leverage.

... I am hanging from a very thin thread.

FIFY.

Navy is better...they go first

I don't disagree in the least about Navy. But the game is marketed as Army-Navy, not the other way round. Just sayin'

Because the Army is the Senior Service and the Navy is our younger Sister Service.

(05-09-2018 04:13 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:52 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:26 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:04 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  ... I am hanging from a very thin thread.

FIFY.

Navy is better...they go first

I don't disagree in the least about Navy. But the game is marketed as Army-Navy, not the other way round. Just sayin'

Because the Army is the Senior Service and the Navy is our younger Sister Service.

That's why I enjoyed my time stationed in the UK...where the Royal Navy is the Senior Service...

I am going to wait and see on this one... I am a huge Navy fan. I saw them win the Texas bowl in person a few years ago and was really impressed. When the Big East/AAC was being attacked in the media (right around the time Boise bailed), NAVY was vocal and loyal about the new conference they joined. I have a tremendous amount of respect for those actions and that loyalty... and their service and sacrifice.

If there is some Navy deal for home games and it benefits Navy, I am reasonably certain they had a dialog with the conference beforehand and all parties are comfortable with it... and I am sure Aresco will find a way to maximize benefit for the rest of the conference.

Very interesting times ahead... no we won't get P5 $$$, but bona fide tweener $$$ at 6-10 million per team would be great. We need to, and will, keep up with those guys.

Aresco knows what he is doing. He gambled on a low $$ high exposure, and we collectively delivered for him with big wins, wins against the P5, NY6 wins (tip of the hat to UH and UCF), and RATINGS. That gamble should pay off, unless the networks and the P5 somehow conspire against us.