Is there any data on what time of day we’ve had the most success since we introduced night games at Zable?

(05-14-2018 07:06 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(05-13-2018 02:44 PM)nj alum Wrote:  If Samantha announced that Tribe was moving to ACC, do you really think there would be a problem raising money for scholarships? I don’t.

She can speak it into existence?

If it was announced that Tribe was moving to ACC, do you really think there would be a problem raising money for scholarships? I don't.

Better?

:-)

(05-14-2018 07:21 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  Is there any data on what time of day we’ve had the most success since we introduced night games at Zable?

Here's the results since 2005. Next step is to figure out expected W/L (remind me later):

Noon: 7-4
1/1:30/2: 10-16
3/3:30/4: 5-1
6/7/7:30: 18-10

There were no 3 PM games until 2010. A lot of the 7 PM games have been early-season games against overmatched MEAC teams.

(05-14-2018 09:19 AM)nj alum Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 07:06 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(05-13-2018 02:44 PM)nj alum Wrote:  If Samantha announced that Tribe was moving to ACC, do you really think there would be a problem raising money for scholarships? I don’t.

She can speak it into existence?

If it was announced that Tribe was moving to ACC, do you really think there would be a problem raising money for scholarships? I don't.

Better?

:-)

If it were announced. We're W&M grads, we can correctly use the subjunctive clause.

I think the problem is still obvious, and it's not a lack of will (that may be a problem, but that's not why W&M won't be in the ACC no matter how many proclamations she makes).

If it were announced that the Tribe was moving to the ACC, do you really think there would be a problem raising money for scholarships? I don't.

Better?

:-)

(05-14-2018 09:42 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 09:19 AM)nj alum Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 07:06 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(05-13-2018 02:44 PM)nj alum Wrote:  If Samantha announced that Tribe was moving to ACC, do you really think there would be a problem raising money for scholarships? I don’t.

She can speak it into existence?

If it was announced that Tribe was moving to ACC, do you really think there would be a problem raising money for scholarships? I don't.

Better?

:-)

If it were announced. We're W&M grads, we can correctly use the subjunctive clause.

I think the problem is still obvious, and it's not a lack of will (that may be a problem, but that's not why W&M won't be in the ACC no matter how many proclamations she makes).

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Case in point. Sports betting in New Jersey.

W&M needed / needs to make itself attractive to be courted a la Louisville, Rutgers, ODU, VPI, etc., etc. The school has chosen not to do so. So be it.

Could have done it in the 70's ... :-) ... much much harder now, but it can be done.

(05-14-2018 10:06 AM)nj alum Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 09:42 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 09:19 AM)nj alum Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 07:06 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(05-13-2018 02:44 PM)nj alum Wrote:  If Samantha announced that Tribe was moving to ACC, do you really think there would be a problem raising money for scholarships? I don’t.

She can speak it into existence?

If it was announced that Tribe was moving to ACC, do you really think there would be a problem raising money for scholarships? I don't.

Better?

:-)

If it were announced. We're W&M grads, we can correctly use the subjunctive clause.

I think the problem is still obvious, and it's not a lack of will (that may be a problem, but that's not why W&M won't be in the ACC no matter how many proclamations she makes).

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Case in point. Sports betting in New Jersey.

W&M needed / needs to make itself attractive to be courted a la Louisville, Rutgers, ODU, VPI, etc., etc. The school has chosen not to do so. So be it.

Could have done it in the 70's ... :-) ... much much harder now, but it can be done.

So you're okay with whacking 5-6 varsity sports, adding 5-10k students and jacking up student fees to properly feed the beasts of basketball and football for this quixotic quest of convincing a P5 conference to look W&Ms way?

So, let me get this straight. AD Huge announces a mutual interest in moving to the ACC and untold riches start pouring in from Alumni contributions to fund the jump? Really? I like the idea, but in my entire relationship with W&M - from recruit, to student athlete, to alumni, there only seems just enough money to get by. People who contribute now contribute to the best of their abilities. Moving to the ACC wouldn't make willing contributors give more or more often,IMO. I guess you could argue that sport related contributors would increase with added exposure, but I don't think you can convince me that new contributions will make up the difference.

I'm for what is best for the health of the university and sports programs as a whole. If a move helps that, than fantastic. Unless there is a huge shake-up, I'm of the camp that the CAA seems like a tailor made conference for W&M. It has the framework for having competitive, high level sports programs, that are able to operate without blowing the budget.

(05-14-2018 10:41 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I'm for what is best for the health of the university and sports programs as a whole. If a move helps that, than fantastic. Unless there is a huge shake-up, I'm of the camp that the CAA seems like a tailor made conference for W&M. It has the framework for having competitive, high level sports programs, that are able to operate without blowing the budget.

+1

(05-14-2018 10:24 AM)Rocco Wrote:  So you're okay with whacking 5-6 varsity sports, adding 5-10k students and jacking up student fees to properly feed the beasts of basketball and football for this quixotic quest of convincing a P5 conference to look W&Ms way?

Yes, I'm okay with being in an athletics conference with Boston College, Pitt, UVa, VPI, Duke, Wake, UNC, and NC State.

I'm okay with having an honest discussion about this when we reach the Sweet 16, win a FCS title, renovate the Hall, improve the other 3 parts of Zable, pack Zable and the Hall for most games.

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Must be slow sports season. Arguing about fantasy worlds.

Finances: I attended the recent seat licensing meeting at Kaplan.
I attend QB Club meetings. I have attended alumni events in Fredericskburg and now Williamsburg. I don't remember anyone saying they would significantly increase their donations, if only W&M would upgrade our competition. Based on the reaction to licensing fees, it's pretty obvious that most fans are not interested to increasing their current generosity. I fear that we are going to lose some football fans due to the licensing fees, especially if we don't win a bunch of games this year. My impression is that many of the less knowledgeable fans perceive the seat licenses and Tribe Club donations to be an attempt to squeeze more money for the program.
Most fans do not follow the challenges of college athletic funding lot we do. Most fans think they are giving great support to the program by just buying a ticket. I conclude that we focus on winning championships at our current level and look for opportunities to marginally enhance the schedule.

Attendance:
Students and the public in general don't know that we have witnessed the Golden Era of football since 1980. They don't know about Tribe greatness like we do. So why should they take the program seriously.
Students and fans in general know squat about Elon, Towson and others. When they hear that we lose to these teams, they conclude that Tribe football must suck. I want to smack the student tour guides when they tell prospective families that W&M has a team but they've never been very good. My friends in NY think that Albany and Stoneybrook having football is a joke.

So my goal would be to focus on dominating the no name teams, consistently finish with seven wins or more, and that's how we used to get attention among the media and press by being "the little engine that could."

I'm retired and bored, so thought I would write this novel today.
Sorry to take up so much space on the board.

(05-14-2018 10:57 AM)Tribal Wrote:  I'm okay with having an honest discussion about this when we reach the Sweet 16, win a FCS title, renovate the Hall, improve the other 3 parts of Zable, pack Zable and the Hall for most games.

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Liberty took the plunge without the conditions set forth above:

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/li...flames.php

(05-14-2018 11:44 AM)nj alum Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 10:57 AM)Tribal Wrote:  I'm okay with having an honest discussion about this when we reach the Sweet 16, win a FCS title, renovate the Hall, improve the other 3 parts of Zable, pack Zable and the Hall for most games.

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Liberty took the plunge without the conditions set forth above:

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/li...flames.php

Those are my conditions. I'm not concerned about a school who has only VA in common with W&M.

GA State made the same plunge. Want to be like that trash?

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(05-14-2018 11:44 AM)nj alum Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 10:57 AM)Tribal Wrote:  I'm okay with having an honest discussion about this when we reach the Sweet 16, win a FCS title, renovate the Hall, improve the other 3 parts of Zable, pack Zable and the Hall for most games.

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Liberty took the plunge without the conditions set forth above:

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/li...flames.php

Liberty's plunge was into FBS independent status, right? That's a far cry from the suggestion of W&M making the fantasy leap to the ACC.

(05-14-2018 10:41 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I'm for what is best for the health of the university and sports programs as a whole. If a move helps that, than fantastic. Unless there is a huge shake-up, I'm of the camp that the CAA seems like a tailor made conference for W&M. It has the framework for having competitive, high level sports programs, that are able to operate without blowing the budget.

The CAA is unstable. It works well for us, and will continue to do so, until it falls apart. Delaware, JMU, and W&M are the heart of the conference. When one goes, it'll be time to move as well. Additionally, IMO, Hofstra, NU, and Drexel are preventing upgrades (SB and Albany). The conference continues to limp along.

Where to go?

There are ebbs and flows in time in history re: the big boys table in college athletics. Some leave (Chicago). Some barely hang on (Army). Newcomers join (Florida State, Liberty). Some downgrade (Ivies).

W&M was at the big boys table until the 1980's. For the last forty years, W&M hasn't left, doesn't hang on, and hasn't downgraded in a true sense ... just floated through the room, above, besides, and around the big boys table, but no longer at the table.

The collective "we" that frequents these boards are dying off. The new Indians that graduated since approx. 1990 don't have the same love of intercollegiate athletics. That argues for a downgrade to the Patriot.

But, in order to survive economically, what if W&M needs to become larger, and go to 15,000? If people still care about intercollegiate athletics when that occurs, a move up becomes more financially attractive.

It still comes down to this. Intercollegiate sports, in many ways, is a form of entertainment. What gets the biggest bang for the buck? An ACC schedule, a CAA schedule, or a Patriot schedule ... or does no one truly care ... and then expenses dominates the decision.

(05-14-2018 11:42 AM)DSL Wrote:  Finances: I attended the recent seat licensing meeting at Kaplan.
I attend QB Club meetings. I have attended alumni events in Fredericskburg and now Williamsburg. I don't remember anyone saying they would significantly increase their donations, if only W&M would upgrade our competition. Based on the reaction to licensing fees, it's pretty obvious that most fans are not interested to increasing their current generosity. I fear that we are going to lose some football fans due to the licensing fees, especially if we don't win a bunch of games this year. My impression is that many of the less knowledgeable fans perceive the seat licenses and Tribe Club donations to be an attempt to squeeze more money for the program.
Most fans do not follow the challenges of college athletic funding lot we do. Most fans think they are giving great support to the program by just buying a ticket. I conclude that we focus on winning championships at our current level and look for opportunities to marginally enhance the schedule.

Attendance:
Students and the public in general don't know that we have witnessed the Golden Era of football since 1980. They don't know about Tribe greatness like we do. So why should they take the program seriously.
Students and fans in general know squat about Elon, Towson and others. When they hear that we lose to these teams, they conclude that Tribe football must suck. I want to smack the student tour guides when they tell prospective families that W&M has a team but they've never been very good. My friends in NY think that Albany and Stoneybrook having football is a joke.

So my goal would be to focus on dominating the no name teams, consistently finish with seven wins or more, and that's how we used to get attention among the media and press by being "the little engine that could."

I'm retired and bored, so thought I would write this novel today.
Sorry to take up so much space on the board.

If indeed the student tour guides are making those negative comments about the teams, they should be reported. I am sure the new AD and her department would like to be involved in the vetting and perhaps training of these students.

(05-14-2018 09:40 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 07:21 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  Is there any data on what time of day we’ve had the most success since we introduced night games at Zable?

Here's the results since 2005. Next step is to figure out expected W/L (remind me later):

Noon: 7-4
1/1:30/2: 10-16
3/3:30/4: 5-1
6/7/7:30: 18-10

There were no 3 PM games until 2010. A lot of the 7 PM games have been early-season games against overmatched MEAC teams.

I'm not a math major, but there seems to be an outlier here with the 1/1:30/2. Good point on the expected wins.

I walk the campus several times each week and I often fall in behind the tour groups. The tour guides know little to nothing about sports.
It is not at all unusual for them to admit to the groups that they don't know enough to answer questions about Tribe athletics and I have overheard the guides say many times that our teams (primarily addressing football) are not very good. The dads on tour often ask about football and the responses they get are pitiful. One time the tour guide, in response to an inquiry, couldn't tell the parent where the soccer stadium was located!!! I was at the rear of the group and spoke up, giving the dad AND THE STUDENT GUIDE directions.

I took the tour twice with my own children and sports was not included in the conversation. Tour guides would typically avoid these subjects. Do you think they would avoid athletics on the tour at VT or JMU? We make no effort to sell Tribe Athletics to prospective students and parents. Parents are potential season ticket holders!!

Perhaps I should discuss this issue with the AD, but I doubt that our Admissions office will add Athletics to the tours. When I took my boys on tour at VT and UVA, the first things I wanted to see were the stadiums and arenas. The arena at UVA was closed that day, you couldn't get passed the lobby, and I had a bit of an argument with the security officer.

I'll mention this next time I see the AD.