(04-24-2018 05:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  1,303 in 16-17
1,134 in 15-16
1,174 in 14-15
1,053 in 13-14
694 in 12-13
611 in 11-12
729 in 10-11
513 in 09-10

Not even close to 2-3k

LOL...that is a positive trend. Approximately the same as your school (Seattle U). You don't think attendance wouldn't increase with better teams coming in?

They would be a perfect host for a Christmas Tournament, too.

What year did SU average 500 fans a game? Yes, it’s positive, it also coincides with their joining of the WAC and they “made” the CBI this year.

Which better teams would be coming in? The SLC doesn’t have better teams than the WAC. Talking men’s basketball only.

With TAMU-International is in Laredo and just joining the Lone Star Conference, doesn’t it make sense for UTRGV to have football first, thereby further establishing UTRGV as the foremost athletic school in that border region?

UTRGV is much bigger, but the UT-TAMU rivalry extends much further downstream.

(04-24-2018 05:57 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  What year did SU average 500 fans a game? Yes, it’s positive, it also coincides with their joining of the WAC and they “made” the CBI this year.

Which better teams would be coming in? The SLC doesn’t have better teams than the WAC. Talking men’s basketball only.

Isn't Seattle (SU) averaging around 1300 right now? What I'm saying is as they upgrade their profile...they will increase their attendance. It is a process...I doubt they get more than 2-3k in average...until they challenge for the conference...but if they can get to 1300-1500 in the next year...that isn't horrible.

I think they have a bigger upside in Football...look at Kingsville up the road.

It sounds like an automatic invite to the Sun Belt.

(04-24-2018 07:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  With TAMU-International is in Laredo and just joining the Lone Star Conference, doesn’t it make sense for UTRGV to have football first, thereby further establishing UTRGV as the foremost athletic school in that border region?

UTRGV is much bigger, but the UT-TAMU rivalry extends much further downstream.

They will never get to a power conference...and in reality we have too many 1A teams (yes I know that term is obsolete)...I think they'll eventually find their way to the Sun Belt unless the WAC sponsors FB again.

(04-24-2018 07:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 07:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  With TAMU-International is in Laredo and just joining the Lone Star Conference, doesn’t it make sense for UTRGV to have football first, thereby further establishing UTRGV as the foremost athletic school in that border region?

UTRGV is much bigger, but the UT-TAMU rivalry extends much further downstream.

They will never get to a power conference...and in reality we have too many 1A teams (yes I know that term is obsolete)...I think they'll eventually find their way to the Sun Belt unless the WAC sponsors FB again.

I'd be shocked if "they found their way to the Sun Belt"

(04-24-2018 07:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 07:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 07:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  With TAMU-International is in Laredo and just joining the Lone Star Conference, doesn’t it make sense for UTRGV to have football first, thereby further establishing UTRGV as the foremost athletic school in that border region?

UTRGV is much bigger, but the UT-TAMU rivalry extends much further downstream.

They will never get to a power conference...and in reality we have too many 1A teams (yes I know that term is obsolete)...I think they'll eventually find their way to the Sun Belt unless the WAC sponsors FB again.

I'd be shocked if "they found their way to the Sun Belt"

Karl Benson: "Hello"
UTRGV: "We're in Texas"
Karl Benson: "I am delighted to offer UTRGV an invite to join the Sun Belt Conference"

(04-24-2018 07:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 07:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  With TAMU-International is in Laredo and just joining the Lone Star Conference, doesn’t it make sense for UTRGV to have football first, thereby further establishing UTRGV as the foremost athletic school in that border region?

UTRGV is much bigger, but the UT-TAMU rivalry extends much further downstream.

They will never get to a power conference...and in reality we have too many 1A teams (yes I know that term is obsolete)...I think they'll eventually find their way to the Sun Belt unless the WAC sponsors FB again.

The G5 except the AAC is the new FCS. The P5 effectively endorses watering down the G5. The Sun Belt could have forestalled this by keeping NMSU.

As stated months before, this is the plan for a new WAC.
WAC FBS
Pacific Div
UC Davis
Sac St
Cal Poly
Cal Baptist*
GCU*
NMSU

Plains Div
UTGRV
Lamar
Sam Houston St
S F Austin or IWU and/or Wichita St (fb only)
Mo St (fb only)
Oral Roberts*
UMKC*

* - No fb

Idaho, the Montanas and Weber St will leave the Big Sky to the Summit- Great Northern, which will be in “close association” with the WAC at least in the beginning. The Big Sky will take UVU, Seattle, CWU, Azusa Pacific, and Dixie St to rebuild. 2020 is the target date for those league and 2020 may be when they start FBS transitions.

Gotten unbelievable flack for saying the G5 will be expanding. In the next couple of weeks it will begin playing out.

Your last prediction failed. Your July 1 guarantee will fail, as will this.


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(04-24-2018 07:40 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 05:57 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  What year did SU average 500 fans a game? Yes, it’s positive, it also coincides with their joining of the WAC and they “made” the CBI this year.

Which better teams would be coming in? The SLC doesn’t have better teams than the WAC. Talking men’s basketball only.

Isn't Seattle (SU) averaging around 1300 right now? What I'm saying is as they upgrade their profile...they will increase their attendance. It is a process...I doubt they get more than 2-3k in average...until they challenge for the conference...but if they can get to 1300-1500 in the next year...that isn't horrible.

I think they have a bigger upside in Football...look at Kingsville up the road.

SeattleU will be forced to play on campus where that gym holds only 999. The OVG they are they ppl bring the NHL to Seattle and remodeling the Key has made it known they don't plan on having SU as a tenant at the refurbished Key. The interesting part in this SU athletics from the AD to the MBB coaches seem to think they are going back once the Key is finished. One side isn't telling the truth.

UT-RGV's study doesn't mean the wheels are put in motion for the great WAC FBS revival. One action from the other western conferences or from C-USA or the Sun Belt can easily put a stop to it. Still too many obstacles at the moment to say it's happening.

(04-24-2018 10:32 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UT-RGV's study doesn't mean the wheels are put in motion for the great WAC FBS revival. One action from the other western conferences or from C-USA or the Sun Belt can easily put a stop to it. Still too many obstacles at the moment to say it's happening.

The Southland could have already added UTRGV if they were interested.

The Sunbelt and CUSA don’t want to invite additional members and don’t have the financial weight to throw around. The Sunbelt had a difficult time going FBS as they had so many members leave.

(04-24-2018 09:20 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Your last prediction failed. Your July 1 guarantee will fail, as will this.


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Don’t worry he will say July 1st 2019, then 20, then so on.

(04-24-2018 10:45 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 10:32 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UT-RGV's study doesn't mean the wheels are put in motion for the great WAC FBS revival. One action from the other western conferences or from C-USA or the Sun Belt can easily put a stop to it. Still too many obstacles at the moment to say it's happening.

The Southland could have already added UTRGV if they were interested.

The Sunbelt and CUSA don’t want to invite additional members and don’t have the financial weight to throw around. The Sunbelt had a difficult time going FBS as they had so many members leave.

Don't you think the MW would take a look at a UTRGV with football? They turned their noses down to Wichita, but a Texas school might be a different matter.

(04-24-2018 11:03 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 10:45 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 10:32 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UT-RGV's study doesn't mean the wheels are put in motion for the great WAC FBS revival. One action from the other western conferences or from C-USA or the Sun Belt can easily put a stop to it. Still too many obstacles at the moment to say it's happening.

The Southland could have already added UTRGV if they were interested.

The Sunbelt and CUSA don’t want to invite additional members and don’t have the financial weight to throw around. The Sunbelt had a difficult time going FBS as they had so many members leave.

Don't you think the MW would take a look at a UTRGV with football? They turned their noses down to Wichita, but a Texas school might be a different matter.

Realistically, if the MWC wanted to expand into Texas it would invite one or two established FBS programs like UTEP, Rice, UTSA and North Texas. It’s hard to imagine a UTRGV start-up program getting a look.

(04-24-2018 11:03 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 10:45 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 10:32 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UT-RGV's study doesn't mean the wheels are put in motion for the great WAC FBS revival. One action from the other western conferences or from C-USA or the Sun Belt can easily put a stop to it. Still too many obstacles at the moment to say it's happening.

The Southland could have already added UTRGV if they were interested.

The Sunbelt and CUSA don’t want to invite additional members and don’t have the financial weight to throw around. The Sunbelt had a difficult time going FBS as they had so many members leave.

Don't you think the MW would take a look at a UTRGV with football? They turned their noses down to Wichita, but a Texas school might be a different matter.

Not no, but hell no.


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(04-24-2018 09:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 07:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 07:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  With TAMU-International is in Laredo and just joining the Lone Star Conference, doesn’t it make sense for UTRGV to have football first, thereby further establishing UTRGV as the foremost athletic school in that border region?

UTRGV is much bigger, but the UT-TAMU rivalry extends much further downstream.

They will never get to a power conference...and in reality we have too many 1A teams (yes I know that term is obsolete)...I think they'll eventually find their way to the Sun Belt unless the WAC sponsors FB again.

The G5 except the AAC is the new FCS. The P5 effectively endorses watering down the G5. The Sun Belt could have forestalled this by keeping NMSU.

As stated months before, this is the plan for a new WAC.
WAC FBS
Pacific Div
UC Davis
Sac St
Cal Poly
Cal Baptist*
GCU*
NMSU

Plains Div
UTGRV
Lamar
Sam Houston St
S F Austin or IWU and/or Wichita St (fb only)
Mo St (fb only)
Oral Roberts*
UMKC*

* - No fb

Idaho, the Montanas and Weber St will leave the Big Sky to the Summit- Great Northern, which will be in “close association” with the WAC at least in the beginning. The Big Sky will take UVU, Seattle, CWU, Azusa Pacific, and Dixie St to rebuild. 2020 is the target date for those league and 2020 may be when they start FBS transitions.

Gotten unbelievable flack for saying the G5 will be expanding. In the next couple of weeks it will begin playing out.

Just say no to Oral Roberts and UMKC. They will be in the Summit.
You keep forgetting Azusa Pacific, Dixie State, Central Washington, CSU-Pueblo, Colorado Mesa and any of the Lone Star schools. A couple of Lone Star schools already have FBS ready stadiums.

(04-24-2018 11:19 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 11:03 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 10:45 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 10:32 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UT-RGV's study doesn't mean the wheels are put in motion for the great WAC FBS revival. One action from the other western conferences or from C-USA or the Sun Belt can easily put a stop to it. Still too many obstacles at the moment to say it's happening.

The Southland could have already added UTRGV if they were interested.

The Sunbelt and CUSA don’t want to invite additional members and don’t have the financial weight to throw around. The Sunbelt had a difficult time going FBS as they had so many members leave.

Don't you think the MW would take a look at a UTRGV with football? They turned their noses down to Wichita, but a Texas school might be a different matter.

Realistically, if the MWC wanted to expand into Texas it would invite one or two established FBS programs like UTEP, Rice, UTSA and North Texas. It’s hard to imagine a UTRGV start-up program getting a look.

This is Craig Thompson we're talking about here. Don't put anything past him.

(04-24-2018 11:03 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 10:45 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 10:32 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UT-RGV's study doesn't mean the wheels are put in motion for the great WAC FBS revival. One action from the other western conferences or from C-USA or the Sun Belt can easily put a stop to it. Still too many obstacles at the moment to say it's happening.

The Southland could have already added UTRGV if they were interested.

The Sunbelt and CUSA don’t want to invite additional members and don’t have the financial weight to throw around. The Sunbelt had a difficult time going FBS as they had so many members leave.

Don't you think the MW would take a look at a UTRGV with football? They turned their noses down to Wichita, but a Texas school might be a different matter.

The MWC wouldn’t take any new FBS program. UCDavis is miles ahead of the MWC academically, but the MWC wouldn’t consider them at least until they have winning seasons at FBS and a more established fan base and media following. The