(04-26-2018 01:27 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 12:37 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The last two questions make zero sense to me. Reread them and rephrase. I’d be able to show where I was at in aug of 2016. I would give cc transactions. Thousands of ways you could prove yourself at some other place than Prague. Two Glaring questions. Why hasn’t he and why haven’t those records been subpoenaed? I’m sure Mueller has so we will just wait. Nothing more than speculation at this point and both of us are running in circles. One thing is for certain. Nunes was running interference not an investigation. That is indisputable. He had Ever as his lead investigator.

a) how do you know he hasn't? MAYBE they didn't subpoena them because he showed those who 'need to know' enough to prove it to them? You sit here and talk about being willing to wait for the investigation and then you buy this anonymous source hook line and sinker. The guy has emphatically and unequivocally denied being there. No two ways about it. The prosecution is being silent, and your side runs with the innuendo.

b) If they haven't, I suspect because you have to have elements of a crime aka probable cause to GET such a subpoena. Traveling to Prague isn't a crime... and you can't simply do as you have done and claim that IF he was in Prague, there must have been a crime. That's not how investigations go in this country, nor would you be suggesting they should if the target weren't on the right.

The problem for you is that you want to hash this out in the public so that you can make more illogical inferences from 'whatever' you find, and you're willing to suspend due process etc etc in order to get it.


Let me help you.....
If he was in Europe during the period where he has claimed he was in LA with his son (and others have confirmed)... then we (the government) would have evidence of that, as would the government of other countries. There would be private citizens who knew/saw.... and of course Obama was still President, meaning that you're suggesting that Homeland Security was in cahoots with Trump in 2016 against Hillary??

The guy has unequivocally denied being in Prague. We all agree upon this. He could have said I was there but didn't meet with them... He could have said we met but spoke about other things... He didn't. He said I wasn't there, I was 'here'. As you note, simple to prove.

He has thrown down the gauntlet.

So PROVE it, and even if he didn't meet with the people or talk about the election, in the court of public opinion, you'd win.

Why do you hold 'your side' to such a low threshold when the 'prize' is right there?

EXACTLY. If he was there, Mueller, the FBI, and the DoS knows he was there and he wouldn't be stupid enough to say otherwise and raise that red flag. If he was there, he'd be saying he was there for a vacation, massage, hooker, or any other reason that has nothing to do with Russia.

So wait Mueller doesn't have to prove that claim, the person being accused has to.

We are running around in circles. I’ve made my statements. I’m sticking by them. We disagree.

(04-27-2018 05:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are running around in circles. I’ve made my statements. I’m sticking by them. We disagree.

Mach you're a silly goose.

That's my accusation. Prove me wrong.

about that running around in circles thing...............................

(04-26-2018 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "Robert Mueller had his cronies literally raid his office and they found nothing. "


Ever......


Wrong.................

OK Mach - let's ask a slightly different question - Did actually they find what they were looking for? It doesn't sound like it?

(04-27-2018 08:18 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "Robert Mueller had his cronies literally raid his office and they found nothing. "


Ever......


Wrong.................

OK Mach - let's ask a slightly different question - Did actually they find what they were looking for? It doesn't sound like it?

Once Mueller said we can't trust what is out there in the media it's anybody's guess. It's the definition of insanity to argue a point that THE ULTIMATE PRIMARY source is not putting his name to yet and is also telling you not to trust what you read in the media surrounding his investigation. Ultimate smoke screen and he's not on your or mine's time table. I have my hypothesis you have yours. Known of us know anything. You don't trust my sources and I certainly don't trust yours. We argue. Rinse repeat.

It seems there are two possible ways to interpret what we have:

1) Mueller is running the tightest ship in Washington, DC, history, or
2) Mueller hasn’t found anything.

I’d say both are still within the realm of possibility at this point.

(04-27-2018 09:47 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Once Mueller said we can't trust what is out there in the media it's anybody's guess. It's the definition of insanity to argue a point that THE ULTIMATE PRIMARY source is not putting his name to yet and is also telling you not to trust what you read in the media surrounding his investigation. Ultimate smoke screen and he's not on your or mine's time table. I have my hypothesis you have yours. Known of us know anything. You don't trust my sources and I certainly don't trust yours. We argue. Rinse repeat.

I find it hard to believe that some random dude (like yourself) posting on this board has actual in-the-know INSIDER SOURCES..... and would then waste their time on a board like this. Seriously, we all "hear" stuff and 99% of it is inuendo, speculation, and flat out opinion-biased guessing.

If you really know somebody and something - you would not be here on a board like this with it. You know what your are spoon fed from your like minded friends with their anti-whomever spin. And that is OK.

I hate Trump, I didn't vote for him even though I am a republican. I do happen to like the fact that a non politician is sitting in the seat though, and that it is rousing up the career politicians who only care about their own personal interests above those of the people they represent.

I don't give a phuck about Stormy Daniels or Russia or Cohen or any of that smoke and mirrors stuff. I do care about the fact that these things stop/slow the guy from doing his job.

I can and would (if I cared about it) argue that Russian intervention in the election is not really any different than any of these celebrities and left/right leaning journalists trying to convince you to vote in one direction or the other rather than just laying out each candidate's position and letting people decide for themselves..... Obama tried to influence voters too.... Whatever.....

(04-27-2018 10:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  It seems there are two possible ways to interpret what we have:

1) Mueller is running the tightest ship in Washington, DC, history, or
2) Mueller hasn’t found anything.

I’d say both are still within the realm of possibility at this point.

Considering the President of the United States of America couldn't keep a mutual, behind closed doors affair private, the chance of #1 being true is decidedly low.

(04-27-2018 10:32 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  It seems there are two possible ways to interpret what we have:

1) Mueller is running the tightest ship in Washington, DC, history, or
2) Mueller hasn’t found anything.

I’d say both are still within the realm of possibility at this point.

Considering the President of the United States of America couldn't keep a mutual, behind closed doors affair private, the chance of #1 being true is decidedly low.

You can also add to that Considering everytime the President has a good day and the left or FBI have a few bad days...

we get another leaked article from a unnamed source from something Muller is investigating. So the chance of #1 being true is decidedly low.

This is an exercise in dog chasing tails....

(04-27-2018 09:47 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 08:18 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "Robert Mueller had his cronies literally raid his office and they found nothing. "


Ever......


Wrong.................

OK Mach - let's ask a slightly different question - Did actually they find what they were looking for? It doesn't sound like it?

Once Mueller said we can't trust what is out there in the media it's anybody's guess. It's the definition of insanity to argue a point that THE ULTIMATE PRIMARY source is not putting his name to yet and is also telling you not to trust what you read in the media surrounding his investigation. Ultimate smoke screen and he's not on your or mine's time table. I have my hypothesis you have yours. Known of us know anything. You don't trust my sources and I certainly don't trust yours. We argue. Rinse repeat.

Mach can we both agree that no source is better than the other?

I feel like that's most of the argument. With the exception of message boards and podcasts.

Our media is broken. We have certain pillars in our society that have been decimated. Public schools, the church, the media. We used to feel so much differently about these institutions. We have lost our ways. Don’t have the gumption for an argument with anybody. ( you saw the Browns draft right). We are devolving as a society. Abnormal is becoming the normal in our hyper sensationalized 24 hour news cycle society. I don’t see it getting better either. Hold your loved ones tight. Take care of your inner circle.

(04-27-2018 12:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Our media is broken. We have certain pillars in our society that have been decimated. Public schools, the church, the media. We used to feel so much differently about these institutions. We have lost our ways. Don’t have the gumption for an argument with anybody. ( you saw the Browns draft right). We are devolving as a society. Abnormal is becoming the normal in our hyper sensationalized 24 hour news cycle society. I don’t see it getting better either. Hold your loved ones tight. Take care of your inner circle.

You just described the country's slow slide to the left. Unfortunately, you don't even recognize what happened.

(04-27-2018 12:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Our media is broken. We have certain pillars in our society that have been decimated. Public schools, the church, the media. We used to feel so much differently about these institutions. We have lost our ways. Don’t have the gumption for an argument with anybody. ( you saw the Browns draft right). We are devolving as a society. Abnormal is becoming the normal in our hyper sensationalized 24 hour news cycle society. I don’t see it getting better either. Hold your loved ones tight. Take care of your inner circle.

I think a big part of it starts with the OP....

Any time something happens, the SECOND headline is 'was it a case of ________?' (Fill in an appropriate salacious theory of choice)

It's what drives hits and ratings and therefore revenue.

If investigators have SOLID (I know that's a relative term) evidence of collusion with a foreign government to work against US interests... of quid pro quo etc etc... I don't CARE if they can prove it and put the people in jail as much as I care that the outcome not continue. If it's a 'party' thing we're worried about, then follow the chain of succession and the 'party' retains control, but the people who orchestrated it are out of office and their policies of quid pro quo (you'd have to be able to prove what Russia got out of it in order for it to be solid) be reversed. And no, not electing Hillary might have been a common goal, but it wasn't what Trump gave Russia in exchange for the office.

(04-27-2018 12:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Our media is broken. We have certain pillars in our society that have been decimated. Public schools, the church, the media. We used to feel so much differently about these institutions. We have lost our ways. Don’t have the gumption for an argument with anybody. ( you saw the Browns draft right). We are devolving as a society. Abnormal is becoming the normal in our hyper sensationalized 24 hour news cycle society. I don’t see it getting better either. Hold your loved ones tight. Take care of your inner circle.

What you're not happy with Baker Mayfield?

They could have had him at 4. I just went through 1-31 over two years for a mass of draft capital. This new gym oissed that away. So frustrating.