You idiots get what you deserve using that site. For those of us who don't use it and there are profiles and data built around us should be the ones who receive compensation.

(04-10-2018 07:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  What do all you conservatives think?

Does Congress have the right/obligation to protect the public from social media?

Protect how? If you use it to commit something that is already a crime then you can be punished.

(04-10-2018 07:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  What do all you conservatives think?

Does Congress have the right/obligation to protect the public from social media?

Or should the government keeps hands off and let the public fend for themselves?

No.

The public should take up some personal responsibility and fend for themselves.

Case in point. If you're one of those folks that feels the need to "share" your whole life and every time you take a dump with your FB "friends", it shouldn't shock you that your "personal" information is accessible.

That's what internet sites and ESPECIALLY "social media" sites do, they gather data about users and sell said data to their customers or use that data for targeted marketing. That pretty much defines how they make money. It's really no different that using your super saver card at the grocery store. They track spending habits and either sell that data or use it to specifically market to you.

If you don't wish your "private data" to be used, seen, or otherwise, DON'T USE SOCIAL MEDIA!


As for FB "censoring" information. That will all depend on how the laws are written as to whether FB sees themselves as a public forum or a company expressing their 1st Amendment rights.

When it comes to that, any Republican or Conservative who is shocked that FB would be less open to people sharing their right leaning thoughts, opinions, or news...... I have this bridge I'd like to sell you.

No. Congress should not legislate Facebook.

(04-10-2018 09:57 PM)banker Wrote:  I don't do the Facebook or any other social media.

I think you just did.

(04-10-2018 09:03 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 07:58 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 07:41 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Apparently Facebook "follows" subscribers around the internet and sells this information to various users. The fact that they do this is buried somewhere in their user agreement but it's not readily accessible.
OK with you?

I'm surprised that anyone was surprised by this. I've never done Facebook because it always came across to me as nothing more than a gossip and rumor spreading site and where people told other people way too much about themselves.

People should be smart enough to figure all this shyte out for themselves, otherwise, I imagine they vote for dims.

It has actually been a nice forum to reconnect with old high school/college buddies - and that is all I have used it for. I never get into politics or personal stuff beyond pics when I get back from a vacation, etc.

I suppose it could be something of a cesspool but it's not something I see...

That's what my wife does. Only personal stuff. Never politics.

Billions are going to use Facebook or something like it.

Saying "Stop using it" is not actually a solution to anything because that won't actually happen.

So you actually have to deal with the problems created by billions of people being influenced, censored, tracked, etc.

Netflix and YouTube also keep track. They also "recommend" and influence.

You can either establish ethical rules for that. Or you can say "stop using Netflix and YouTube" which nobody will actually do.




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I guess my question related more to compiling personal information and selling it to 3rd parties. Obviously anything a person posts on Facebook is fair game, but I did not realize until yesterday that facebook has the ability to follow all of my activity on the computer. They can see what web sites I visit and a whole host of other information. This is what is used by profilers to determine our political, religious and personal habits.
If social media sites are aggregating information about me and selling it, as a business , should that be regulated?

Several folks stated they don't do social media, but they are posting on here. Is this web site a form of social media? CSNBBS has a blurb at the bottom of this screen notifying us they make certain information about us available to third parties.
Is everyone aware ? How do you feel about it?

(04-11-2018 09:21 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I guess my question related more to compiling personal information and selling it to 3rd parties. Obviously anything a person posts on Facebook is fair game, but I did not realize until yesterday that facebook has the ability to follow all of my activity on the computer. They can see what web sites I visit and a whole host of other information. This is what is used by profilers to determine our political, religious and personal habits.
If social media sites are aggregating information about me and selling it, as a business , should that be regulated?

Several folks stated they don't do social media, but they are posting on here. Is this web site a form of social media? CSNBBS has a blurb at the bottom of this screen notifying us they make certain information about us available to third parties.
Is everyone aware ? How do you feel about it?

How do you think you get those Facebook ads? It's not magic. People for some reason have a expectation of privacy when it comes to social media. That has never existed and never will.

(04-11-2018 09:21 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I guess my question related more to compiling personal information and selling it to 3rd parties. Obviously anything a person posts on Facebook is fair game, but I did not realize until yesterday that facebook has the ability to follow all of my activity on the computer. They can see what web sites I visit and a whole host of other information. This is what is used by profilers to determine our political, religious and personal habits.
If social media sites are aggregating information about me and selling it, as a business , should that be regulated?

Several folks stated they don't do social media, but they are posting on here. Is this web site a form of social media? CSNBBS has a blurb at the bottom of this screen notifying us they make certain information about us available to third parties.
Is everyone aware ? How do you feel about it?

That's why it's important to make sure to clear history, delete cookies and/or use private browsing mode. It's not perfect, but any little bit helps, especially if "sharing" your information is a concern.

I think people need to realize that anytime you sign up/use a site like CSNBBS, having your information available is part of the deal. These sites don't run and maintain for free, so unless people want to pay a monthly fee, they need to make coin from somewhere.

Welcome to the 21st century.

I don't care for ads, on my computer or tv. But I prefer advertisers paying the bills to me paying.

Suppose if there were a market for it, someone could start an privacy oriented site and bill the users.

Myself, I'll continue forgoing Facebook or a paid model. Don't care what I ate for breakfast. Why would I care about others culinary menus.

(04-11-2018 08:49 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Billions are going to use Facebook or something like it.

Saying "Stop using it" is not actually a solution to anything because that won't actually happen.

So you actually have to deal with the problems created by billions of people being influenced, censored, tracked, etc.

Netflix and YouTube also keep track. They also "recommend" and influence.

You can either establish ethical rules for that. Or you can say "stop using Netflix and YouTube" which nobody will actually do.

Pragmatically, it's probably better to have some form of minimum standards that are required to be followed.



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Pragmatically, it's probably better to have some form of minimum standards that are required to be followed, etc. as it's pretty tough to put toothpaste back in the tube.

Am I a fan of government involvement - nope. We as a people decided earlier that true monopolies with no competition weren't in the best interests of the country and enacted laws to regulate it.

Do we really think it's okay to have a few select tech companies (and those that run them) that can, and are allowed, to direct the narrative about any range of topics to those folks political whims and censor those that disagree.

Would we be be okay with GM cornering the advertising market to the point that only GM products were seen and no others? How different is facebook pushing their views and censoring others than the GM example?

I don't see how government regulation will help. Facebook has to target you with ads to survive to make money. The better their aim the more money they make.

Its not rocket science. If you chose to use Facebook I guess that could make that crystal clear to you, but it wouldn't change anything.

(04-11-2018 10:38 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I don't see how government regulation will help. Facebook has to target you with ads to survive to make money. The better their aim the more money they make.

Its not rocket science. If you chose to use Facebook I guess that could make that crystal clear to you, but it wouldn't change anything.

There are ways to make money and survive targeting ads ethically, openly, and securely with rules and standards...and there are ways to do it creepily, secretly, and chaotic like the wild west. Its not a strictly either/or here.

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(04-10-2018 07:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  What do all you conservatives think?

Does Congress have the right/obligation to protect the public from social media?

Or should the government keeps hands off and let the public fend for themselves?

Government should let the market play out. Facebook is a private business with no obligation to protect speech.

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(04-11-2018 11:39 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 07:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  What do all you conservatives think?

Does Congress have the right/obligation to protect the public from social media?

Or should the government keeps hands off and let the public fend for themselves?

Government should let the market play out. Facebook is a private business with no obligation to protect speech.

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We are debating about giving them that obligation. So the fact that they don't have that obligation now isn't really a key point.

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(04-11-2018 09:21 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I guess my question related more to compiling personal information and selling it to 3rd parties. Obviously anything a person posts on Facebook is fair game, but I did not realize until yesterday that facebook has the ability to follow all of my activity on the computer. They can see what web sites I visit and a whole host of other information. This is what is used by profilers to determine our political, religious and personal habits.
If social media sites are aggregating information about me and selling it, as a business , should that be regulated?

Several folks stated they don't do social media, but they are posting on here. Is this web site a form of social media? CSNBBS has a blurb at the bottom of this screen notifying us they make certain information about us available to third parties.
Is everyone aware ? How do you feel about it?

It's not just facebook. Collecting data and sharing it is one of the primary revenue models these companies use.

Think about it... I don't pay Facebook to set up an account. It's free.

How can they employ over 25,000 people if their service is free?

Quote:As of December 2017, 25,105 people were employed by the social networking company, up from 150 people in 2006. In 2015, total key executive compensation amounted to 64.3 million U.S. dollars.

Facebook's annual revenue and net income from 2007 to 2017 (in million U.S. dollars)

Quote:Facebook's revenue grew from 7.87 billion in 2013 to 40.7 billion US dollars in 2017.

How does a company generate $40.7B when they don't charge users?

What about Google? When you go to the google search screen you see tailored ads.

Context ads are all over the sites you browse.

Staying off facebook doesn't keep our data private. There is no privacy.

Heck, we can search government records and find marriage licenses, real estate transactions, etc.

If they know you're address they can profile several different aspects: Income level, family structure, so on.

(04-10-2018 07:29 PM)Kronke Wrote:  First, they need to decide what they are and what they are not. They are currently skirting the law, and trying to have it both ways.

If they're a neutral public forum, they need to stop suppressing, curating, editorializing, shadow banning, and banning political content they disagree with. If they're not, they should be sued out of existence.

In listening to today’s Ben Shapiro podcast, I learned that Zuck actually admitted that Facebook is responsible for the content on their site. They would then be liable for any piece of slander, any unlicensed photo, any pornography, etc. published on their site.

Shapiro says each individual unlicensed photo published on Facebook would have a maximum penalty of $30,000. How many hundreds of thousands, if not millions of unlicensed photos do you think are on Facebook?

Wow.

Immunity in section 230 in the Communications Decency Act is predicated upon being a neutral public forum.

There are numerous examples of Facebook suppressing conservative news https://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-work...1775461006

and suppressing conservative voices on their platform
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/me...nservative


Since Facebook has proven to not be a neutral public forum they should be subject to regulation.